Trump is the WWE and Mueller is The Undertaker

[BananaStand]

From my understanding, those who talk for diversity typically mean that it isn't something that should be avoided at all costs, it's not something that's necessarily negative. This pertains to all kinds of diversity, be it color, culture, skills, world views, tendencies. Anyone who's ever worked knows that the most effective team is one with multiple strengths, we need people who are good at mathematics/technical skills, people with social skills, people with decision-making skills etc. All cultures have something for others to learn from, if nothing else by bad example. On the other hand, if someone thinks diversity is only positive in all cases, they're clearly an idiot.

Then there are those who oppose diversity, and this is pretty much all borne of fear. Fear of strangers, of people that look different and seem scary, of losing your job/spouse/economical stature, of violence, crime and terrorism. They see diversity, immigration and change overall as threats, and if you're only using your lizard brain, fear is by far the strongest emotion and motivator.

Diversity can be a big asset, but it requires an environment open to integration, giving the immigrants possibilities to act as productive members of society and feel welcome. If immigrants feel accepted, they are far more likely to adopt the new culture, aka integrate. Prejudices are probably the biggest reason for failures in integration.

Way to tapdance around the issue for 500 words and never actually address the question. I'm sure MMM is proud

[Poopadoop]

Way to tapdance around the issue for 500 words and never actually address the question. I'm sure MMM is proud

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS DIVERSITY BAD??????????????????????????

ZOMFG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OngBonga]

From my understanding, those who talk for diversity typically mean that it isn't something that should be avoided at all costs, it's not something that's necessarily negative. This pertains to all kinds of diversity, be it color, culture, skills, world views, tendencies. Anyone who's ever worked knows that the most effective team is one with multiple strengths, we need people who are good at mathematics/technical skills, people with social skills, people with decision-making skills etc. All cultures have something for others to learn from, if nothing else by bad example. On the other hand, if someone thinks diversity is only positive in all cases, they're clearly an idiot.

Then there are those who oppose diversity, and this is pretty much all borne of fear. Fear of strangers, of people that look different and seem scary, of losing your job/spouse/economical stature, of violence, crime and terrorism. They see diversity, immigration and change overall as threats, and if you're only using your lizard brain, fear is by far the strongest emotion and motivator.

Diversity can be a big asset, but it requires an environment open to integration, giving the immigrants possibilities to act as productive members of society and feel welcome. If immigrants feel accepted, they are far more likely to adopt the new culture, aka integrate. Prejudices are probably the biggest reason for failures in integration.

This is a good post.

[OngBonga]

I mean at least cocco recognises diversity is not automatically a good thing. It's not a wall of left wing bollocks ramming diversity down our throats while opposing it is racist.

[oskar]

I'm not sure in what scenario diversity gets "rammed" down your throat unless you literally get mouthraped by a dutch exchange student.

[Poopadoop]

I'M STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS DIVERSITY BAD??????????????????????????

ZOMFG WHY YOU WON'T ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION???????!!!!!!!

[Poopadoop]

It's not working.

[Poopadoop]

I CAN'T BELIEVE MY EFFORTS TO PROMOTE INTELLIGENT DEBATE AREN'T WORKING!!!!!!!!

WHAT IN THE LIVING BLUE SKIES FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT ???????!!!!!!!

ANSWER MMMMMMEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BananaStand]

I never claimed diversity is bad. And if you're asking me now, my answer is "it depends"

But again, you've misrepresented the ACTUAL question, which is..."Is Diversity Our Strength". I think it's quite clear at this point that I believe the answer is "no", and I believe that saying that phrase is a demagogue tactic to provide cover for an open-border, affirmative action, social justice agenda that will only lead to widespread death.

[Poopadoop]

I never claimed diversity is bad. And if you're asking me now, my answer is "it depends"

But again, you've misrepresented the ACTUAL question, which is..."Is Diversity Our Strength". I think it's quite clear at this point that I believe the answer is "no", and I believe that saying that phrase is a demagogue tactic to provide cover for an open-border, affirmative action, social justice agenda that will only lead to widespread death.

OMFG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER MY QUESTION! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU CAN'T EVEN ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION, YOU MUST BE SOME KIND OF RIGHTWING NECKBEARD!!!!!!

[BananaStand]

[COLOR="#0000FF"]OMFG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER MY QUESTION!

You missed it? I gave an answer. Did you not see it? OMFG you must have got eyeball AIDS. Quick go see a doctor. But first, here's the answer to your question!

And if you're asking me now, my answer is "it depends"

[OngBonga]

Is poop trying to be banana? Because I often see banana shout in big letters and pretty colours.

[Poopadoop]

You missed it? I gave an answer. Did you not see it? OMFG you must have got eyeball AIDS. Quick go see a doctor. But first, here's the answer to your question!

No, that's not an answer. Fuck you!

I do have to see a doctor; my blood pressure's through the roof from listening to such rightwing bullshit and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!

Now I'm going to write several pages of text on what I think about it and why anyone who disagrees with me is a moron. Hold on, brb.

[BananaStand]

That sucks. I actually have incredibly good blood pressure. I know you find that hard to believe, but it's true. 110/75 or thereabouts.

[BananaStand]

Is poop trying to be banana? Because I often see banana shout in big letters and pretty colours.

Often?

[BananaStand]

No, that's not an answer. Fuck you!

Can you articulate exactly which of your points you think I'm failing to address. And can you perhaps provide an example of what might be an acceptable answer? From the phrasing and verbage I'll be able to infer a better understanding of your question.

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me today. I value your thoughts

[Poopadoop]

Can you articulate exactly which of your points you think I'm failing to address.

Describe the various ways in which diversity is good and the various ways in which diversity is bad. Use examples. Don't just try to fob off the question with platitudes such as 'it depends'. Pussy.

And can you perhaps provide an example of what might be an acceptable answer? From the phrasing and verbage I'll be able to infer a better understanding of your question.

No. I'm not here to give you the answers or have an intelligent discussion of the issues. I'm here to find out what you think, move your words around as I see fit, and then tell you that you're a fucking idiot for thinking something you never said.

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me today. I value your thoughts

I hope your AIDS gets cancer.

[BananaStand]

I hope your AIDS gets cancer.

So then my AIDS would die, and then I wouldn't have AIDS.

Thank you for your prayers.

[Poopadoop]

So then my AIDS would die, and then I wouldn't have AIDS.

Thank you for your prayers.

The AIDS wouldn't die but you'd need a long painful procedure to remove your asshole. Luckily for you it's where your mouth should be, so at least you afford the surgery.

[BananaStand]

Describe the various ways in which diversity is good and the various ways in which diversity is bad. Use examples. Don't just try to fob off the question with platitudes such as 'it depends'. Pussy.

Well, first you have to define the dimension across which you are measuring diversity. You want an example, ok, take something like a five factor personality model and choose one. How about 'Extroversion'. A highly extroverted person will be good at sales. A low extroverted person will make a great accountant. A company's success will be influenced positively by assuring that all useful points on the extroversion spectrum are represented within the staff.

Another example. A swiss army knife is better than a butter knife.

Diversity is bad if you are measuring it across irrelevant dimensions and enforcing the outcome, either legislatively or socially. So again, if you want a concrete example, look at Justin Trudeau's cabinet. He pledged to make it 50% men, and 50% women. Diversity for diversity's sake. The pool of qualified candidates was 75% men. Therefore, an unequal opportunity was created where a woman in that pool was 3x as likely to get a cabinet position as a man.

[Poopadoop]

Well, first you have to define the dimension across which you are measuring diversity. You want an example, ok, take something like a five factor personality model and choose one. How about 'Extroversion'. A highly extroverted person will be good at sales. A low extroverted person will make a great accountant. A company's success will be influenced positively by assuring that all useful points on the extroversion spectrum are represented within the staff.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure that's not the kind of diversity TC was talking about. In the context of American history, diversity has a much more specific meaning.

Diversity is bad if you are measuring it across irrelevant dimensions and enforcing the outcome, either legislatively or socially. So again, if you want a concrete example, look at Justin Trudeau's cabinet. He pledged to make it 50% men, and 50% women. Diversity for diversity's sake. The pool of qualified candidates was 75% men. Therefore, an unequal opportunity was created where a woman in that pool was 3x as likely to get a cabinet position as a man.

I agree that is retarded. Enforced diversity is just as bad as enforced non-diversity, in general.

[BananaStand]

I agree that is retarded. Enforced diversity is just as bad as enforced non-diversity, in general.

Well in that case, the diversity wasn't necessarily enforced. It was just JT virtue-signaling.

But now tie it back to the original question..."Is JT's sufficiently diverse cabinet STRONGER than a cabinet chosen on merit alone?"

[Poopadoop]

But now tie it back to the original question..."Is JT's sufficiently diverse cabinet STRONGER than a cabinet chosen on merit alone?"

Already answered. Do you want to ask it a third time?

Here's another question: If JT refused to have anyone in his cabinet who wasn't a rich white male who only spoke English, would that be a STRONGER or WEAKER cabinet than one that was open to diversity among its members?

[BananaStand]

Here's another question: If JT refused to have anyone in his cabinet who wasn't a rich white male who only spoke English, would that be a STRONGER or WEAKER cabinet than one that was open to diversity among its members?

Anyone who rejects superior talent on the basis of race or gender is simply stupid and is obviously going to make the cabinet weaker.

Accepting mediocre talent to avoid the appearance of that is also stupid, and will also make the cabinet weaker.

[Poopadoop]

Right, so accepting diversity where it happens while neither enforcing it through things like quota systems, nor discouraging it through identity-based limits on numbers, is the ideal for JT.

[BananaStand]

Right, so accepting diversity where it happens while neither enforcing it through things like quota systems, nor discouraging it through identity-based limits on numbers, is the ideal for JT.

It sounds like you're saying that JT should not be sensitive to the fact that women might be disappointed if they aren't equally represented on the cabinet. How can you ignore their dignity like that??

FASCIST SEXIST PIG

[BananaStand]

Right, so accepting diversity where it happens while neither enforcing it through things like quota systems, nor discouraging it through identity-based limits on numbers, is the ideal for JT.

I think I see where you're going with this, and you should just stop. JT wouldn't want Russian citizens on his cabinet. He wouldn't want Nepalese mountain-dwelling monks on his cabinet. It would be perfectly reasonable to insist that all of his cabinet members speak english. It would be reasonable to insist they are all canadian citizens. And it would be reasonable for him to ensure that all members of the cabinet are committed to improving quality of life in Canada.

Just like it's perfectly reasonable for America to say "if you don't speak the language, if you're not going to participate legally in the economy, if you're going to send all the money you make back to Mexico, if you're not going to assimilate, if you're going to cost more than you produce.....then stay the fuck out!

If all of the people affected negatively by that happen be disproportionally represented by a particular race or culture then so be it. Ignoring those problems in order to admit a 'diverse' group of races and cultures is a catastrophe.

[OngBonga]

if you're going to send all the money you make back to Mexico

This shouldn't be a problem. It should be assumed that the worker's labour is worth more than his wage. That's where profit comes from. And if the worker's labour is worth more than his wage, well even if he sends his entire earnings back to Mexico, the American economy has still gained some labour.

It's only a bad thing if the worker's labour is not worth his wage, and if that's the case, he should be fired.

[BananaStand]

This shouldn't be a problem..

GRRRRAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!!!

Now you're doing it.

Who said that generating a profit is the be-all, end-all determination of what's a problem or not.

Fact: Even if that labor is profitable, it's LESS profitable than if the money stayed in America. If the money stayed in America, it might even create OTHER profitable jobs. But none of that can happen if the money leaves the country.

So a worker who spends his wage in America is always going to be preferable to a worker who spends his wage in another country. By alot. Mixing those, for the sake of diversity, has to be one of the stupidest economic ideas any human being has ever generated.

[MadMojoMonkey]

If our standard is to speak the language, then this conversation should be taking place in Algonquin, Cherokee, Ute, or something.
Oh that's right, when our ancestors didn't assimilate, it was all good, but when other people don't assimilate, it's bad.

I get it.

[BananaStand]

Oh that's right, when our ancestors didn't assimilate, it was all good, but when other people don't assimilate, it's bad.

I get it.

Yeah, history is written by the victors. Don't like it? Eat shit.

Why are you here anyway? Don't you have bunsen burners to polish or something?

[Poopadoop]

I think I see where you're going with this, .

No you missed by a mile actually.

it would be reasonable for him to ensure that all members of the cabinet are committed to improving quality of life in Canada.

This I agree with; the rest of what you said is irrelevant except inasmuch as a Russian-born monk who only speaks Mongolian is unlikely to be an effective member of the cabinet.

Just like it's perfectly reasonable for America to say "if you don't speak the language, if you're not going to participate legally in the economy, if you're going to send all the money you make back to Mexico, if you're not going to assimilate, if you're going to cost more than you produce if you're muslim, if you're from a shithole country.....then stay the fuck out!

fyp

If all of the people affected negatively by that happen be disproportionally represented by a particular race or culture then so be it. Ignoring those problems in order to admit a 'diverse' group of races and cultures is a catastrophe.

I'm not arguing you should turn America into a haven for criminals. I'm saying if you want the best you have to be willing to look past irrelevant features like skin colour and religion.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah, history is written by the victors. Don't like it? Eat shit.

Not even close to answering his point.

Why are you here anyway? Don't you have bunsen burners to polish or something?

That's Ong. And he's going to polish them with bleach so don't encourage him please.

[BananaStand]

I'm saying if you want the best you have to be willing to look past irrelevant features like skin colour and religion.

No buddy. Diversity is our strength. Don't you know that? Get on board

[BananaStand]

Not even close to answering his point

I think I answered is point quite directly. If you need me to elaborate, then ok, here: Yes, we fucked over the native americans, I'm not sorry that it happened, that was 300 years ago, and has no relevance to any policy decision today. Bringing it up at all just makes you an annoying fucktard who doesn't want to contribute to productive discourse, he just wants to play hall-monitor and hand out infractions whenever he can scan the last 20,000 years of history and cherry pick an exception to a statement posted here.

[BananaStand]

Is this the part now where Monkey tells us to be naively accommodating to Muslims cuz the Crusades happened?

[Poopadoop]

If the money stayed in America, it might even create OTHER profitable jobs. But none of that can happen if the money leaves the country.

So wait, these Mexican illegals are getting paid in America, then going back to Mexico to buy food, clothing, and shelter? Wow, they are diabolical.

So a worker who spends his wage in America is always going to be preferable to a worker who spends his wage in another country.

Most Americans spend their wages in China according to Trump. Expel everyone!

also, AARARARARARRGHGHG!

[Poopadoop]

No buddy. Diversity is our strength. Don't you know that? Get on board

No buddy, it's your weakness. Dont you know that? I thought you said you watched TC a lot.

[OngBonga]

Fact: Even if that labor is profitable, it's LESS profitable than if the money stayed in America.

True.

If the money stayed in America, it might even create OTHER profitable jobs.

Also true.

But none of that can happen if the money leaves the country.

Not quite true. The worker has improved the profits of the employer. The employer can now employ more people, or othewise invest in the American economy.

So a worker who spends his wage in America is always going to be preferable to a worker who spends his wage in another country.

True.

But all of this faces one very serious problem... nobody has any fucking right to tell people how to spend their hard earned money. Nobody. If Pablo wants to send his daughter in Tijuana some money, it's HIS money, not America's. He traded it for his labour, which is worth more to America. Pablo has every right to do what he pleases with it. Just like, if you want to buy something on ebay, and it's ten dollars cheaper to import it from China, well nobody has the right to critisise that economic choice you made.

Of course it's better if money stays in America, but it's utterly unreasonable to demand it stays in America.

[Poopadoop]

But all of this faces one very serious problem... nobody has any fucking right to tell people how to spend their hard earned money. Nobody.

This is why you'll never make it as right-winger.

Also, AAARARRARGHGHG!!!

[OngBonga]

Well I'm sure banana would resent being told he had to take a holiday in America instead of Mexico, since he doesn't actually own his dollars, America does.

[OngBonga]

You want to go sightseeing in London? Traitor. Go to New York.

[BananaStand]

Most Americans spend their wages in China

True. Good thing most Americans don't have most of the money. The small % of Americans who pay all the bills in this country put their money in American stock markets, American banks, American business that they own, and pay American employees that work for them.

also, AARARARARARRGHGHG!

IKR

[BananaStand]

Of course it's better if money stays in America, but it's utterly unreasonable to demand it stays in America.

No one disagrees with that. But you can take measures to make it less likely that someone sends money out of America. For example, you might want to try and keep out those people in the first place.

[BananaStand]

Well I'm sure banana would resent being told he had to take a holiday in America instead of Mexico,.

I'm telling you right now, I would not take a free trip to Mexico

You couldn't pay me to go to Mexico

I have to go to Canada next week, and I'd literally rather eat rocks.

[OngBonga]

No one disagrees with that. But you can take measures to make it less likely that someone sends money out of America. For example, you might want to try and keep out those people in the first place.

Sure, but let's get real for a minute. Very few immigrants send literally all of their income back home. And for those who do, that's pretty fucking selfless. I'd rather have hard working immigrants who might send their money home, than someone who doesn't intend to work, or who is unlikely to integrate.

At least those sending money home have their priorities in order... family first. Nothing wrong with that mentality. You won't find many criminals doing this, will you? Maybe you should appreciate their values, rather than try to squeeze every last minute of labour back out of them.

[Poopadoop]

I have to go to Canada next week, and I'd literally rather eat rocks.

lol you are afraid of Canada. That kills me.

[BananaStand]

lol you are afraid of Canada. That kills me.

I'm an unapologetic American chauvinist. Everything here is awesome, and everywhere else sucks.

How the hell can I trust Canada to have sturdy bridges, or effectively protect people from elk stampedes??

I'm literally envisioning a warzone

[OngBonga]

Because Canada speaks English. You can trust any nation that speaks English. Except England.

[Poopadoop]

How the hell can I trust Canada to have sturdy bridges, or effectively protect people from elk stampedes??

They don't. Stay off the roads and bring your elk spray.

[Poopadoop]

Because Canada speaks English. You can trust any nation that speaks English. Except England.

Don't listen to him. It's practically a third world country. You can't even bring your guns. Stay out. Fake your own death if you have to.

[OngBonga]

Don't tell banana, but given a choice between a free trip to Canada, or a free trip to the States, I'm going to Canada.

Unless my free trip to America included a buyin at WSOP.

[BananaStand]

Don't tell banana, but given a choice between a free trip to Canada, or a free trip to the States, I'm going to Canada.

Ugh, why??

Think about how cold it gets in northern maine, the upper penninsula of Michigan, or the upper reaches of Montana.

Every grain of canadian soil is even further north than that!

[OngBonga]

I like snow. I'll go in winter.

[Poopadoop]

I like snow. I'll go in winter.

Snow is fun when it comes every three years and melts a few days later. When it's 3 feet deep and it's -40C, you might think differently.

Go in summer. It's warmer than here but not unbearable. Rocky mountains in Alberta/BC or if you like sexy women go to Montreal.

[BananaStand]

or if you like sexy women gutter sluts go to Montreal.

fyp

[Poopadoop]

fyp

Classy, well-dressed French-Canadian women. The won't have time for you, dont' worry.

[Poopadoop]

fyp

Lol, and says the guy who's never been there and is scared to go.

[BananaStand]

Lol, and says the guy who's never been there and is scared to go.

I've been there. When I was not 21, the drinking age in Canada was not 21.

In college, when we'd get sick of sitting around a dorm room trying not to get caught drinking....we'd head up to Montreal and hit the town. Gutter sluts everywhere.

Not much ever came from it though. Convos would usually go like this.....

Me: Hey gutter slut, you'd be happier with my capitalist american shaft buried in your babymaker
GS: Ok cool, where are you staying
Me: In the back seat of my friend's 1992 Chevy Cavalier coupe.....with two other people.
GS: oh...........

[BananaStand]

Classy, well-dressed French-Canadian women. The won't have time for you, dont' worry.

They have dog-faces and can't cook!!!!

[Poopadoop]

They have dog-faces and can't cook!!!!

I'm not sure what "Montreal" you went to.

And I'm amazed a Canadian woman wasn't impressed by the ugly American stereotype display.

Kinda surprised you guys didn't go to Concord for a good time. That place is hoppin'

[Poopadoop]

Kinda surprised you drove all the way up to Mo. to get legal drinks.

But oh ya then I figured it out, none of you spoke French.

Diversity sucks.

[BananaStand]

Kinda surprised you drove all the way up to Mo. to get legal drinks.

Is there another place like St Catherine's street, with tons of bars serving 18+, wall to wall sluts, strip clubs everywhere, and people openly selling weed on the street.....but closer to the US border? I was not aware.

Also, fuck Canada

[Poopadoop]

You post a picture of the best of Canada to show why Canada sucks? We won the Cold War for you on ice singlehandedly in '72. You owe us trillions.

And if you don't pay up, we're gonna put a bunch of our businesses out of business just to show you not to fuck with us, 'cause we're the best negotiators in the world. Believe me.

[BananaStand]

You post a picture of the best of Canada

A Canadiens player getting his jaw re-arranged is the "best of Canada"?

We won the Cold War for you on ice singlehandedly in '72. You owe us trillions.

Hmmm, that's not how I remember it. Let's check the tape.....



Oh yeah, that was us.

[Poopadoop]

I know you have your own way of doing math, but '72 was before '80.

And a fluke-ass win in one game is not the same as winnig an eight game series, no matter how much the US orgasmed over it for months.

[OngBonga]

Classy? French? Summer?

No thanks. Snow, winter, eskimos. Where can I find eskimo women?

[OngBonga]

Anywhere that's hotter than the UK is going to be close to unbearable. The summer we just had, that's just fine for me thanks.

[BananaStand]

And a fluke-ass win in one game is not the same as winnig an eight game series, no matter how much the US orgasmed over it for months.

Stop. You had to borrow Espo from us just to score any goals.

And lol at Canada orgasming over an exhibition win.

[OngBonga]

I'd like our winters to be like Feb and March this year, and our summers to be like June and July this year. That would be fucking sweet. The bits in between... they could do with being warmer I guess.

[Poopadoop]

I'd like our winters to be like Feb and March this year, and our summers to be like June and July this year. That would be fucking sweet. The bits in between... they could do with being warmer I guess.

June and July were brutal without A/C. Wtf are you talking about?

[Poopadoop]

Stop. You had to borrow Espo from us just to score any goals.

And lol at Canada orgasming over an exhibition win.

We won the Cold War, what else you want?

Espo is from St. Catherines, Ontario, Canada, ftw.

[BananaStand]

Espo is from St. Catherines, Ontario, Canada, ftw.

And couldn't get away fast enough.

Funny how capitalism seems to attract all the talented people away from socialist shitholes.

[OngBonga]

Brutal? It was perfect summer weather.

A/C is for faggots who don't like lovely weather.

[Poopadoop]

And couldn't get away fast enough.

Funny how capitalism seems to attract all the talented people away from socialist shitholes.

He loved the US so much he took your money and played for Canada. That pretty much says it all.