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[OngBonga]

In her defence, the claim she was "cheating" is unfair for two reasons... coaches delivering signals is widespread, furthermore there is no evidence she was paying attention to her coach... it's the coach who was attempting to cheat. That's not to say it's ok, but to call it outright cheating is too far, and only serves to dilute the meaning of the word.

That said, she is a fucking cunt.

[Poopadoop]

Pretty sure she never played the race card herself. It's not her fault if the media does it, so don't make it sound like she's trying to be a 'black victim'. She's claiming it wouldn't happen if she were a man, and she may well have a point. Male players routinely mouth off more than she did and don't get penalized for it.

Really, both Serena and the umpire were cunts. First, she shouldn't have had a hissy fit over the penalty, smashed her racquet, and then mouthed off. But, the umpire should have at least first given her a warning to cool down; instead he jumped right to a game penalty. That's pretty severe in a close match. I don't think what she said warranted it, and she's not doing anything wrong complaining about it.

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She's claiming it wouldn't happen if she were a man, and she may well have a point. Male players routinely mouth off more than she did and don't get penalized for it..... I don't think what she said warranted it, and she's not doing anything wrong complaining about it.

Look, I don't know much about tennis, so I'm open to correction here. But with regard to the male players to which you are referring....do they react this way after a bad call? Or do they react this way after a good call that affects them negatively?

Complaining is fine. If you don't like a call, you can argue with the ref. You see this in sports all the time. Mens and womens. It helps keep the ref honest, and lets them know that they are under scrutiny. That's all fine. "the ball was in" "he was safe" etc etc etc.

But there are rules, both written and unwritten, in all sports that require respect and decorum and sportsmanship toward the referee. If you dont' like a call....fine, argue it. But you can't name-call, and insult a person who is just doing their job. That should not be tolerated.

There's a big difference between McEnroe standing with his arms upon in a puzzled gesture saying "Are you kidding me" and Serena sticking her finger in ref's face and saying "you're a thief". One of those is an acceptable emotional outburst. The other is unsportsmanlike abuse.

And let's not avoid the source of the issue here. She wasn't arguing a subjective matter like a line call. She was objectively caught cheating. Not committing a foul.....CHEATING. That's bad enough, but her clearly fictitious denial is shameful on a level that should be considered insulting to the entire sport.

[Poopadoop]

There's a big difference between McEnroe standing with his arms upon in a puzzled gesture saying "Are you kidding me" and Serena sticking her finger in ref's face and saying "you're a thief". One of those is an acceptable emotional outburst. The other is unsportsmanlike abuse.

Yeah, I mean McEnroe is the worst person to compare her to. He went off on way worse rants than her, swearing and calling the umpire names at times. Sometimes he got penalized, other times not. Her behavior was bad, but not as bad as that.

She was objectively caught cheating. Not committing a foul.....CHEATING. That's bad enough, but her clearly fictitious denial is shameful on a level that should be considered insulting to the entire sport.

Like Ong said, her coach was caught cheating. There's no evidence she was cheating by looking at him, so from her perspective she may have thought 'wtf is that call? I wasn't cheating'. That's not a "fictitious denial" as you call it. Maybe her coach should be forced to sit out a game or something, dunno.

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Like Ong said, her coach was caught cheating. There's no evidence she was cheating by looking at him, so from her perspective she may have thought 'wtf is that call? I wasn't cheating'. That's not a "fictitious denial" as you call it. Maybe her coach should be forced to sit out a game or something, dunno.

Are you for real with this??

The were using hand signals. How the hell do you create a sign-language if you don't intend to use it? Why in the world would the coach make a hand signal unless he knew that Serena would be able to understand it.

For this to happen the two of them had to get together and say "when I do this....it means this..". That's enough for me. Obviously they planned to use this secret sign language, otherwise why have it? Why would the coach be doing it if he didn't expect the player to read and understand what he's saying?

Also, it's fucking tennis, and the guy is right there on the side. It's not like he's in the nosebleed sections of a football stadium and all the players are wearing helmets. He should obviously be able to tell when Serena is looking at him. Why would he send hand signals to the back of her head????

If your argument is "yes she and her coach planned to do something illegal, yes one of them was caught red handed and admits to it, but you can't prove they actually used it that one time the ref caught them"....then you're a flat out retard sir. Seriously low IQ

[Poopadoop]

Are you for real with this??

The were using hand signals. How the hell do you create a sign-language if you don't intend to use it? Why in the world would the coach make a hand signal unless he knew that Serena would be able to understand it.

For this to happen the two of them had to get together and say "when I do this....it means this..". That's enough for me. Obviously they planned to use this secret sign language, otherwise why have it? Why would the coach be doing it if he didn't expect the player to read and understand what he's saying?

Also, it's fucking tennis, and the guy is right there on the side. It's not like he's in the nosebleed sections of a football stadium and all the players are wearing helmets. He should obviously be able to tell when Serena is looking at him. Why would he send hand signals to the back of her head????

If your argument is "yes she and her coach planned to do something illegal, yes one of them was caught red handed and admits to it, but you can't prove they actually used it that one time the ref caught them"....then you're a flat out retard sir. Seriously low IQ

I never said they don't ever cheat; as it happens this is something all tennis players do. It's just rare the coach gets caught. So stop acting like this is a death penalty offence.

What I did say is,as Ong said already, you don't know if she was looking at him or not. You just assume she was because it gets you hard. Maybe the coach was trying to send her a signal and she wasn't paying attention. It may have been the first time in the whole game he tried it, and he got caught. So the scenario I outlined isn't at all implausible. Fact is, you just fill in the blanks as you see fit whereas an intelligent person realizes they don't have all the facts and don't rely on their imagination to provide them.

But you're too stupid to consider that just because it's much more fun for you to assume she was guilty at the time, and pretended she was innocent so you can get all outraged about it and have a raging cunt moment on an internet poker forum. lol.

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What I did say is,as Ong said already, you don't know if she was looking at him or not. You just assume she was because it gets you hard. Maybe the coach was trying to send her a signal and she wasn't paying attention. It may have been the first time in the whole game he tried it, and he got caught. So the scenario I outlined isn't at all implausible. Fact is, you just fill in the blanks as you see fit whereas an intelligent person realizes they don't have all the facts and don't rely on their imagination to provide them.

Yeah, right, a professional umpire just happened to glance at something one time, couldn't tell if it was effective or not, and just decided to enforce a penalty in one of the biggest matches of the year.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. That's why we don't have robot referees in sports.

If he made the call, it's because he saw a problem with what was being done.

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Yeah, I mean McEnroe is the worst person to compare her to. He went off on way worse rants than her, swearing and calling the umpire names at times. Sometimes he got penalized, other times not. Her behavior was bad, but not as bad as that

In all the McEnroe comparisons I've read today, I haven't read anything about personally insulting an umpire without consequence. And you say "sometimes he got penalized". So apparently he's not above the rules, even though he's a man. So what's even the problem???

Seems to me that Serena is getting the same treatment as a man did almost 40 years ago. I thought that was feminist utopia or something??

[Poopadoop]

In all the McEnroe comparisons I've read today, I haven't read anything about personally insulting an umpire without consequence. And you say "sometimes he got penalized". So apparently he's not above the rules, even though he's a man. So what's even the problem???

Seems to me that Serena is getting the same treatment as a man did almost 40 years ago. I thought that was feminist utopia or something??

I mean I don't really care enough about this to go searching the internet and doing comparisons of men vs. women tennis player rants just so I can argue with a nimrod who won't listen anyways, but what I heard others say is that the umpire acted hastily in giving her the third penalty.

Feel free to disagree but like I said I don't really care enough what happened in a game of tennis to keep arguing over it. Maybe someone else here does.

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what I heard others say is that the umpire acted hastily in giving her the third penalty.

Yeah, because they are equating "Are you serious?" with a finger in the face and personal insults.

Not the same thing.

[BananaStand]

coaches delivering signals is widespread,.

This didn't work for Belichick. It didn't work for Lance Armstrong. But then again, they're white men, so maybe they just aren't allowed to make excuses the way black women are.

furthermore there is no evidence she was paying attention to her coach...

That's not the standard here. There's no evidence that the referee was paying attention to her gender.

[OngBonga]

This didn't work for Belichick. It didn't work for Lance Armstrong. But then again, they're white men, so maybe they just aren't allowed to make excuses the way black women are.

I'd be saying exactly the same if it was a purple disabled alien. Hand signals from coaches is widespread, and while it's against the rules, it's a stretch to call it cheating. I mean, yes it's breaking the rules, so you can be a pedant and shout CHEAT if you want, but for me it just means that the word cheat becomes diluted, it's a word that should be used to describe people who take performance enhancing drugs, or pick the seams of a cricket ball, or whatever gives you ad advantage, assuming what you're doing is not widespread. That's an important point to make. If Serena is cheating, then so are a fuck ton of tennis players. And since it's impossible to say if Serena was paying attention to her coach or not, it's too much for me to call her a cheat.

That's not the standard here. There's no evidence that the referee was paying attention to her gender.

Yep, I agree totally. I think Serena is a cunt, for this very reason. Every time a man dares to challenge her, he is sexist. I can't wait for her to retire, and I hope Wimbledon don't employ her to commentate games here, otherwise I won't watch.