Trump is the WWE and Mueller is The Undertaker

[oskar]

So let's be clear. You are a white supremacist, but you are too chickenshit to ever let anyone attack white supremacy, you just deflect and claim that's not the underlying core of all your believes, when it clearly is. I am fully open to discussing the supposed superiority of the white race with you, but I'm not having some retarded around-the-bush argument that never addresses why you think the way you do.

[MadMojoMonkey]

So let's be clear. You are a white supremacist

I'm not seeing it.

I don't think Mr. Stand has ever brought up race as a compelling point of any argument he's made.

He's a dick to everyone. Not just colored people. If he's indiscriminate in his poo slinging, then this supremicism you see is in your head.
He's a Nanner supremacist, if anything.

I wonder: would you be calling him a racist if you didn't think he was a white person?

[Savy]

I don't see how basically all taxation isn't wealth redistribution unless it literally gives the exact money taken back to everyone which it obviously doesn't.

Flat taxes are only good in the sense that they bring the % tax closer to 0. The somewhat ironic thing is that flat taxes to the wealthy still result in massive tax avoidance so they end up paying much much less as a result.

[BananaStand]

I don't see how basically all taxation isn't wealth redistribution unless it literally gives the exact money taken back to everyone which it obviously doesn't..

Hypothetically, with regard to medicare, if population continues to grow, then the system is set up so that everyone gets back MORE than what they put in. Everyone.

How is that redistribution?

[oskar]

I'm not seeing it.

I don't think Mr. Stand has ever brought up race as a compelling point of any argument he's made.

He's a dick to everyone. Not just colored people. If he's indiscriminate in his poo slinging, then this supremicism you see is in your head.
He's a Nanner supremacist, if anything.

I wonder: would you be calling him a racist if you didn't think he was a white person?

Yes.
I don't even assume he's white. I think he thinks he's white, but I can't know that. The popular white supremacist community is full of half breeds that would have been shoved into the trains in 44 faster than they could have said "Hey guys? Guys, I'm actually... hold on a minute!"

He's super careful to never go full nazi, but he's watching Gavin "pull up a nigger video" - McInnes for entertainment. He's sourcing stuff from obscure websites of fringe lunatics who support white supremacists. And he's arguing things like: if a white man shoots an unarmed black man and no charges are pressed, that is an example of how the judicial system is racist against white people, because the white man was apprehended for questioning, when he should have been left alone.

Or let's do it this way. Banana, if black people aren't inferior to white people, explain to me why black people on average have a lower IQ than white people.

[Poopadoop]

And he's arguing things like: if a white man shoots an unarmed black man and no charges are pressed, that is an example of how the judicial system is racist against white people, because the white man was apprehended for questioning, when he should have been left alone.

Thought that was too recent and too obvious to even need bringing up, but yeah.

And then his defense of the shooter includes such gems as first, referring to the black guy as a gorilla and then second, trying to pretend he forgot he was black, and then third, trying to pretend he never knew it was offensive. So he's only a subliminal racist I guess lol.

[MadMojoMonkey]

He's super careful to never go full nazi, but he's watching Gavin "pull up a nigger video" - McInnes for entertainment. He's sourcing stuff from obscure websites of fringe lunatics who support white supremacists. And he's arguing things like: if a white man shoots an unarmed black man and no charges are pressed, that is an example of how the judicial system is racist against white people, because the white man was apprehended for questioning, when he should have been left alone.

You do make some salient points.

[BananaStand]

And he's arguing things like: if a white man shoots an unarmed black man and no charges are pressed, that is an example of how the judicial system is racist against white people, because the white man was apprehended for questioning, when he should have been left alone.

I said wut??

Or let's do it this way. Banana, if black people aren't inferior to white people, explain to me why black people on average have a lower IQ than white people.

Well, I guess the first thing I would say here, is that it's good that you at least recognize the fact that there are pretty stark differences in average IQ across different races and ethnicities. Other than that, I don't have much of an explanation for you. Sounds like you know as well as I do that the literature on IQ is extensive, extremely accurate, and positively devastating. There is absolutely nothing else in psychology that can predict long-term success better than IQ. And the reality of IQ is that it has a very large biological component, it's heritable, and it's more or less permanent.

Of course, this is all fantastic news if your IQ is >140. But I digress.....

Now there are a couple things to think about here.

1) We don't know to what degree IQ is biological, and how much is influenced by environment. We know that on average, black people are raised in environments with less nuclear families, more crime, lower quality schools, and more prevalent poverty. It seems unlikely to me that all of those things have 0 effect. So there is some hope that the IQ gap between races can be closed if we can correct these environmental factors.

2) In most political contexts, this conversation is taboo. Even acknowledging the data could be considered racist. Sam Harris famously debated Ezra Klein from Vox on this very subject. Sam had Charles Murray (the guy who published the data on race and IQ) on his podcast.
The libtards went nuts and Sam was kinda forced to defend the fact that he was not a racist just for even talking to this guy. So he and Ezra debated. The question that Ezra posed was "Even if the data is legit, why care about it at all". Sam then proceeded to do a poor job of articulating Charles' answer.

But the answer is.....We NEED to acknowledge these differences so we can start doing something about them. Maybe it's WRONG that our society is set up to solely reward cognitive ability. Maybe if we can find ways to rearrange our economy so that talents other than cognition can be of equal economic value, then the differences in IQ won't matter anymore.

But right now, they matter. And the danger of ignoring this information is that we get distracted with ideas that fail to address the real issue. For example....the recent invention of something called "white privilege"

3) And finally it should be noted that an average across a population of 40-50 million is somewhat meaningless when it comes to assessing any given individual. There are people of all races with IQ's at both extremes of the spectrum. For example, Jewish people tend to average a standard deviation higher than your average Caucasian. However, my ex wife is easily, and by far, the stupidest primate to ever set foot on this planet.

[BananaStand]

He's super careful to never go full nazi,

It sounds like you're saying that I haven't done anything overtly racists, and your opinion is the product of your own hate-fueled, confirmation-bias-driven, interpretation of minor subtleties in some of my posts. You're going to have to do better than that.

For future reference, in addition to the posts above, here is my complete set of thoughts on race. Let's just settle this once and for all hmmm?

Black people are ok. So is just about everybody else. I will admit, that I do harbor one prejudice. There is one group of people that I am perfectly willing to pre-judge and that's the Amish. I'm sorry, but that's an oppressive brainwashing culture that deprives people (especially children) of the bounty of this world for the most idiotic and insane reasons imaginable. I straight hate the fucking Amish.

With regards to my thoughts on what you refer to as "brown people", here is what I believe. First. I believe in facts and data. It's a fact that African Americans represent 13% of the population and account for 50% of the murders and robberies. That's a problem. I personally believe that the root cause of crime is poverty. And black people are poorer (on average) than white people.

This holds true with other populations. Asian Americans (on average) are more affluent than white people and they represent a disproportionately small percentage of crime.

So...Why are black people poor?

William Galston (former economic adviser to President Clinton) published a study (twice, a decade apart, with identical results) that showed the following: If you A) Finish High school B) Don't have a kid out of wedlock and C) Don't have a kid before age 21 then the chances that you will live in poverty are less than 10%. That's it. It's really that simple. And that same study found that your chances of living in poverty were greater than 90% if you were missing even one of those three things. I know I've posted this before. And I know I'm off by a few %'s. But I think you get the point.

The teenage pregnancy rate, the highschool dropout rate, and the wedlock birth rate among blacks are absolutely abysmal compared to whites.

It's not racist cops getting teenage black girls pregnant.

It's not white privilege forcing black kids to drop out of high school.

There's something wrong culturally. I know it sounds cliche to blame rap music, but it's somewhat apt. Black entertainers glorify a culture of thuggery and disrespect for women. There is a lack of emphasis on education, and a massive infrequency of nuclear families. These are not harmless features of an American sub-culture. This shit matters. And I truly don't see much what white people can do to correct that. So that's why I'm resistant to any talk about "white privilege", or "systemic racism", or "implicit bias", or whatever social justice buzzwords the kids are using these days. Clean up your own fucking house first...then let's see how far we really need to go for equality.

Stay in school. Wear a condom. How hard is that, really?

Another thing, is that I see the so-called 'leaders' of the black community (the Al Sharpton's of the world) as phonies. I see these people as simply opportunistic demagogues with political and/or profit motives. These people are not helping black people.

I could go on, but what I'd like you to conclude is that I do not harbor any pre-judgements or biases against any individual person on the basis of race or ethnicity with the single exception of those foul, rotten, fucktard Amish. I do recognize that there is an inequality of economic outcomes (on average) between black and white people. I do wish that were not the case. However I do believe that those differences can be accounted for by cultural factors that I've outlined above, and NOT by racism.

Oskar, I'm merely unsympathetic to a racial victimization narrative. That's not the same thing as being racist. I feel like the distinction should be clear, but I also have a much higher IQ than you do. But now that I've spelled it out, I hope we're on the same page.

[Poopadoop]

I don't think Mr. Stand has ever brought up race as a compelling point of any argument he's made.

Just because you're subtle about expressing it doesn't mean you aren't racist.

you seem to get a lot of your information from racists.

Also, Fox News.

Also, Trump.

Most people who aren't racist aren't big fans of those who are racist.

You don't see a lot of fair-minded black people quoting Louis Farrakhan and re-posting stuff from 'honkys_suck.com'

In the end though I don't really care what his core beliefs are. He's proven already he's not here to discuss anything in a remotely intelligent fashion, so fuck him. Mock him, ridicule him, and laugh at him. But don't sweat him.