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[oskar]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/07/trum...-trophies.html

Big win for the free market!

[wufwugy]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/07/trum...-trophies.html

Big win for the free market!

What do you think the effects of a ban policy on this type of thing are and what effects of a non-ban policy are?

[Poopadoop]

What do you think the effects of a ban policy on this type of thing are and what effects of a non-ban policy are?

A ban means fewer Americans will go to Africa to kill elephants because they can't bring back trophies.

Lifting the ban means Don Jr. can go and kill some elephants and bring back their heads to add to his collection of large animals he's bravely killed.

What do you think it means?

[wufwugy]

A ban means fewer Americans will go to Africa to kill elephants because they can't bring back trophies.

Lifting the ban means Don Jr. can go and kill some elephants and bring back their heads to add to his collection of large animals he's bravely killed.

What do you think it means?

Thanks for the response, and thanks for asking.

An increase in desire for trophies increases the desire for the animals, thereby incentivizing increasing and protecting the populations. A ban has an antithetical effect: reducing the desire for trophies, reducing the desire for the animals, and reducing the desire to increase and protect the populations.

There is a wealth of history of this playing out, and it is an area where there is little disagreement among economists.

[Poopadoop]

Thanks for the response, and thanks for asking.

An increase in desire for trophies increases the desire for the animals, thereby incentivizing increasing and protecting the populations. A ban has an antithetical effect: reducing the desire for trophies, reducing the desire for the animals, and reducing the desire to increase and protect the populations.

There is a wealth of history of this playing out, and it is an area where there is little disagreement among economists.

I don't see how having more elephants or any other trophy animal is necessarily a positive for the animal (assuming we're interested in their collective happiness or whatever you want to call it). Certainly not if some proportion of them are going to get shot and killed every year.

I think the idea of 'let's look after these animals so we can shoot them for fun' is kind of perverse really. How about looking after them and not shooting them?

[wufwugy]

I think the idea of 'let's look after these animals so we can shoot them for fun' is kind of perverse really. How about looking after them and not shooting them?

The world is kind of perverse.

Looking after them and not shooting them has been tried. A lot. And it yields declining populations, extinction, and black market abuse that yields significant suffering of the animals.

[oskar]

The world is kind of perverse.

Looking after them and not shooting them has been tried. A lot. And it yields declining populations, extinction, and black market abuse that yields significant suffering of the animals.

horseshit.

Write an open letter to the Jane Goodall foundation that they should really consider Gorilla hunting permits, why don't you.

[oskar]

There is a wealth of history of this playing out, and it is an area where there is little disagreement among economists.

citation needed

Seemed to have the opposite effect on dodo birds, wild buffolos, the passanger pidgeon, tasmanian tiger, white rhinos and a couple hundred other species.
500 tons of ivory were imported to London annually before the ban on ivory trade. Elephant population dropped from 25 million to well under 1 million during the industrialization of the ivory trade. Thanks to massive conservation efforts the population is now stable, if only a fraction of what it once was. Wildlife rangers and animal protectionists get murdered every year by ivory traders and poachers.



Another good reason to ban elephant trophies specifically is that elephants are among the smartest animals. They are one of only a couple species who can recognize themselves in a mirror, something humans can only do starting age 2 and up, and only a couple of primate and dolphin species can do. Killing an elephant should be (and mostly is) illegal. The hunting permit $$$ argument you're likely referencing is mostely horseshit. The countries involved make vastly more money from wildlife tourism than from shitheads like this one: