*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[oskar]

Just remember that you're complicit in supporting a man who has created a policy to separate children as young as 2 months old from their parents, who has banned people from traveling to the US, claiming national security concerns that are baseless - causing all kinds of issues for no reason other than looking strong to his idiot supporters. Who has introduced trade tariffs on canada and the EU claiming national security concerns. Who praised the Tiannamen square massacre as a strong move.

Here's what a strong move looks like in Trump's eyes:
https://www.quora.com/Tiananmen-Squa...efore-Tank-Man

He pulled out of the Iran deal in which Iran agreed on having on-site foreign inspectors to verify that they are no longer developing nuclear weapons. On the other hand he made absolutely no deal at all with NK, giving them way more than they asked for, for nothing. We didn't even get an accounting of their actual nuclear capability. Imagine being a citizen of NK, hoping that with a meeting with the american president would come human rights concessions, maybe you have family members abroad, or in concentration camps, or you don't know where they are, and what you get is absolutely no talks about human rights violation, instead Trump is singing praises about KJU, because obviously forced abortions, rape as punishment for defectors, and watching your people starve to death while you build yourself a dolphinarium is strong leadership to a fucking retard.

And talking about taxpayer money... Who do you think is paying for the trade war? Is it mexico?

I know you two are a lost cause, but I think everyone who has some common sense left and isn't actively fighting against this administration should be held accountable.

[Jack Sawyer]

... causing all kinds of issues for no reason other than looking strong to his idiot supporters ...

Bolded and indented for you from your response. They are getting exactly what they want.

[Poopadoop]

yeah Oskar, but what about Hillary's emails?

[BananaStand]

Just remember that you're complicit in supporting a man who has created a policy to separate children as young as 2 months old from their parents,

He didn't create the policy. It's always been the policy, for everything, that you can't take your kids to jail with you when you're convicted of a crime. Whatever policy action Trump took, I see no evidence that it's sole motivation was to separate kids and parents. It seems pretty clear to me that the intent is to prosecute criminals. The left keeps presenting this like it was purely an exercise in racist cruelty. He got elected to secure the fucking border. Did you really expect that exercise to be all rainbows and lollipops??

who has banned people from traveling to the US, claiming national security concerns that are baseless

Baseless? Intelligence agencies, under the Obama administration, conducted an audit of security threats and vetting procedures. The result was a list of countries that were known sources of terrorism, and with which we did not have adequate diplomatic relations to conduct thorough vetting of travelers. That all happened before Trump ever announced his candidacy. You can debate whether or not there was a better way to react to the intelligence agency's reports. But what you can't do, is call the policy baseless. It clearly has a basis.

- causing all kinds of issues for no reason other than looking strong to his idiot supporters.

See above, re: basis

Who has introduced trade tariffs on canada and the EU claiming national security concerns.

I'm waiting to hear why that's a bad thing.

Who praised the Tiannamen square massacre as a strong move.

Source? Is "praise" your word, or Trump's? Why does strong=praise? There are lots of terrible things in this world that could be called "strong moves". I could say it was a "strong move" when Montgomery Burns tried to expand the market for nuclear power by blocking out the sun. That doesn't mean I support the policy. Strength can be described independently of morality. In fact, I'm not sure why you insist on synonomizing the two in the first place.

He pulled out of the Iran deal in which Iran agreed on having on-site foreign inspectors to verify that they are no longer developing nuclear weapons.

Oh PUH-LEEEEEZE. Can the inspectors go anywhere they want? Any time they want? Unannounced? Do you know what "verify" means?

On the other hand he made absolutely no deal at all with NK, giving them way more than they asked for, for nothing. We didn't even get an accounting of their actual nuclear capability.

LOL, yeah and if we did it would be announced in a press release to CNN.

Imagine being a citizen of NK........

Is that a violin I hear? Imagine being the widow, or child of an MIA Korean War vet. Trump came home last week with his remains. You call that nothing? Imagine being a citizen of Seoul or Tokyo worried daily about a mid-air explosion turning you into vapor. Then one day an orange haired blob shows up and suddenly there hasn't even been a single missile tested in over half a year. You call that nothing?

And talking about taxpayer money... Who do you think is paying for the trade war? Is it mexico?

You answered your own question already. Canada and the EU.

I know you two are a lost cause, but I think everyone who has some common sense left and isn't actively fighting against this administration should be held accountable.

So, out of curiosity, what exactly are you doing to "actively fight" this administration? Other than educating the 8 or so people here.

[wufwugy]

Just remember that you're complicit in supporting a man who has created a policy to separate children as young as 2 months old from their parents, who has banned people from traveling to the US, claiming national security concerns that are baseless - causing all kinds of issues for no reason other than looking strong to his idiot supporters. Who has introduced trade tariffs on canada and the EU claiming national security concerns. Who praised the Tiannamen square massacre as a strong move.

Here's what a strong move looks like in Trump's eyes:
https://www.quora.com/Tiananmen-Squa...efore-Tank-Man

He pulled out of the Iran deal in which Iran agreed on having on-site foreign inspectors to verify that they are no longer developing nuclear weapons. On the other hand he made absolutely no deal at all with NK, giving them way more than they asked for, for nothing. We didn't even get an accounting of their actual nuclear capability. Imagine being a citizen of NK, hoping that with a meeting with the american president would come human rights concessions, maybe you have family members abroad, or in concentration camps, or you don't know where they are, and what you get is absolutely no talks about human rights violation, instead Trump is singing praises about KJU, because obviously forced abortions, rape as punishment for defectors, and watching your people starve to death while you build yourself a dolphinarium is strong leadership to a fucking retard.

And talking about taxpayer money... Who do you think is paying for the trade war? Is it mexico?

I know you two are a lost cause, but I think everyone who has some common sense left and isn't actively fighting against this administration should be held accountable.

I've learned that if my description is a laundry list of grievances, I probably have more thinking to do.

[Poopadoop]

I've learned that if my description is a laundry list of grievances, I probably have more thinking to do.

I find that when people respond to a list of grievances with a non-sequitur, it's usually because can't defend their position.

[wufwugy]

I find that when people respond to a list of grievances with a non-sequitur, it's usually because can't defend their position.

What do you think would have been a useful response in this situation?

[Poopadoop]

What do you think would have been a useful response in this situation?

Why do you answer so many points with questions of your own?

[wufwugy]

Why do you answer so many points with questions of your own?

Because if two people have positions on something, they each filter any new information through their biases. By asking questions, I am attempting to cut down on some of that. It helps deter my own bias, helps me understand others, and (I hope) helps people examine their own positions better.

[oskar]

I've learned that if my description is a laundry list of grievances, I probably have more thinking to do.

I have learned that if someone responds with empty generalities, they probably have nothing of value to say.