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    And if I had my can of spraypaint in the 1100's, I would have been the KING OF THE WORLD. Doesn't change much how I feel about it now. Maybe a little bit.
    So what about someone who doesn't own a smartphone and prefers to read in his free time? Is he fucked because he does not participate in the magic that is television? Aren't there proper measurement standards? Like the cost of a loaf of bread, square foot of living space... compared to median income. Is there a good reason you choose to ignore those and turn to consumer electronics instead? Let's be real if we could swap the housing and refrigerator prices back to what they were in 1950, would you decline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    So what about someone who doesn't own a smartphone and prefers to read in his free time? Is he fucked because he does not participate in the magic that is television?
    He's impacted by the same positive evolution of stuff. Some of the largest effects may be in electronics, though they occur in everything.

    Aren't there proper measurement standards? Like the cost of a loaf of bread,
    I'm glad you brought that up. Bread is among the least changing stuffs. Even so, it too has undergone change, and we get a much fuller story when we look at food in general. Taste increases, taste profile changes, and alteration of access and transportation are three ways in which food has changed quite a bit that tend to go unnoticed. One small personal example: there's a hot sauce that improves my appreciation of food by a significant margin, and nothing like it existed 20 years ago. Now that hot sauce is everywhere.

    square foot of living space... compared to median income.
    Government restriction of housing has put a huge damper on this. In good news, if you go somewhere that doesn't have much housing restriction, it's "like normal".

    Is there a good reason you choose to ignore those and turn to consumer electronics instead? Let's be real if we could swap the housing and refrigerator prices back to what they were in 1950, would you decline?
    I'm happy you brought up housing. IIRC, what's going on is that people are spending more on nicer houses. I was watching an Elizabeth Warren lecture back in 2008 in which she made the case that the change in family expenditures over the decades has been putting more into nicer homes. She had persuasive data to back it up, and this was before she became a full blown Marxist.

    N=1: I work for a construction company, and one of the things I have become aware of that I was not before is that people are spending more money on more pleasing designs than they were just 10 years ago. There is a particular design that was very, very rare 20 years ago yet it is SUPER common in new houses today. That design doesn't improve the function of the home by much (if any). Why does everybody building a house these days use that new more expensive design? Because it's more aesthetically pleasing. They get the same square footage and the same function for more money, because they want something that looks nicer. This coincides with what Warren observed, that people are spending more than they used to on stuff that measures the same regarding square footage or function just because they want something that looks/feels nicer. This may be a good sign that even if square footage isn't increasing, median folk are still getting richer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Government restriction of housing has put a huge damper on this. In good news, if you go somewhere that doesn't have much housing restriction, it's "like normal".
    So you're saying because the government is to blame, it should be ignored? I don't understand how it's relevant who's to blame.

    So if I get you correctly on the other stuff it's that houses and bread that is equal in niceness to the 1950's should cost an equal percentage of median wage, and it's only the really nice stuff that's now commonplace is skewing the percentages? Do you have anything to back that up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    So you're saying because the government is to blame, it should be ignored?
    Did somebody say that?

    So if I get you correctly on the other stuff it's that houses and bread that is equal in niceness to the 1950's should cost an equal percentage of median wage, and it's only the really nice stuff that's now commonplace is skewing the percentages? Do you have anything to back that up?
    I don't know what the percentages are, and I don't know if they are skewed. The only data I have seen are what I discussed: that the percentages are skewed by housing related choices. I don't know if the data are accurate.

    On bread, that would be worth looking into.


    Originally I was referring to net effects adjusted for an entire domain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Originally I was referring to net effects adjusted for an entire domain.
    Did you?





    Is this fake news?
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    What do you think I mean by category change?
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    Did somebody say that?
    You said that in places where the government has kept their hands out of the market, it's "as normal" which I take to mean unchanged compared to historical data. Which I doubt (I'd love to see a source,) but even if it's the case, it's not true for the overall market. For the house buyer it makes no difference what the reason is, the effects are the same.
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