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    My knowledge about the Florida shooting was that there was a school shooting in Florida up to a couple of hours ago. Not the type of news I typically follow up on.

    Anyway... so what's the solution then? Deploy highly trained gunmen in every school? Who's going to pay for that? Take it out of the wall fund?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Anyway... so what's the solution then? Deploy highly trained gunmen in every school? Who's going to pay for that? Take it out of the wall fund?
    It's really not hard. Go watch the video I posted. The data suggests that confronting the gunman almost immediately results in the stoppage of killing. Either the gunman is overtaken by a more trained, more skilled, more courageous interloper....or once confronted, the shooter figures the jig is up and kills himself.

    You an Poop keep talking about money. But that's not even a problem. The money is already being spent just putting the cop on duty. He's already there....being paid. Is it really a hectic and time-consuming job to patrol a school? are you really telling me he can't spend some of his time reviewing training procedures, conducting drills, and attending training classes (which are ALREADY available!!).

    The incremental cost of giving this particular cop better training would have been exactly $0.

    Why is money a concern?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    The incremental cost of giving this particular cop better training would have been exactly $0.
    Please, just for yourself, detail the specific steps that have to be taken for a cop to receive additional training for that type of situation and figure out a way how the cost could possibly be zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Please, just for yourself, detail the specific steps that have to be taken for a cop to receive additional training for that type of situation and figure out a way how the cost could possibly be zero.
    It's simple. Instead of sitting in his office watching youtube rips of Mall Cop, he is forced to watch a war hero movie where the guy throws himself on a grenade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Please, just for yourself, detail the specific steps that have to be taken for a cop to receive additional training for that type of situation and figure out a way how the cost could possibly be zero.
    Well, the cops are being paid for their time anyway. They can spend their day pacing around campus killing time until their next coffee break. Or they could use that time working on being better cops. It costs the same.

    Any number, minus itself, equals zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Well, the cops are being paid for their time anyway. They can spend their day pacing around campus killing time until their next coffee break. Or they could use that time working on being better cops. It costs the same.

    Any number, minus itself, equals zero.
    WHO TRAINS THEM?
    Who works while they're being trained?
    Who pays for the facility they're being trained at?

    By your logic, we could put every citizen in a task force, pay them a cops wages, perpetually train them, and there you go: costs nothing, pays wages, pays taxes... economy saved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    WHO TRAINS THEM?
    Who trains them to be cops in the first place?

    It's like any other profession that requires continuing education. Cops get specialized training all the time. If your city is having a heroin crisis, your cops will be trained to recognize heroin addicts, how to deal with them, how to identify the drug, etc etc etc. This is all built into the budget in the first place.

    Who works while they're being trained?
    Who works when they take a sick day?? This is already built into the budget. Cops don't just graduate from the academy and then venture out into the world unassissted. New techniques of law enforcement are being developed all the time. They are rolled out through targeted training programs all the time. This is already happening. It's already paid for. It's already built into the budget.

    Who pays for the facility they're being trained at?
    Again...sunk cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    My knowledge about the Florida shooting was that there was a school shooting in Florida up to a couple of hours ago. Not the type of news I typically follow up on.

    Anyway... so what's the solution then? Deploy highly trained gunmen in every school? Who's going to pay for that? Take it out of the wall fund?

    It doesn't matter because money gets wasted in lots of ways and so arguing about spending that money on prevention makes you a liberal hippy stoner.

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