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[OngBonga]

Nah, I neither identify as left-wing nor think anyone should feel guilty for anything apart from their actions.

Well don't bring up white male privilege then.

[CoccoBill]

Well don't bring up white male privilege then.

Whites aren't privileged compared to coloured people, or men haven't been privileged compared to women, or both?

[OngBonga]

Whites aren't privileged compared to coloured people, or men haven't been privileged compared to women, or both?

Just leave this one well alone. One minute you're saying "nor think anyone should feel guilty for anything apart from their actions" then you're asking me if I'm priviledged compared to black people and women. What's the point of asking that if it's not to make me reflect on how privileged I am (ie feel guilty)?

[CoccoBill]

Just leave this one well alone. One minute you're saying "nor think anyone should feel guilty for anything apart from their actions" then you're asking me if I'm priviledged compared to black people and women. What's the point of asking that if it's not to make me reflect on how privileged I am (ie feel guilty)?

Men should feel guilt about being male about as much as young germans should feel responsibility for the actions of nazis. What they should do though, is recognize the history, understand it and its causes, and make sure the same shit won't happen again.

[OngBonga]

Men should feel guilt about being male about as much as young germans should feel responsibility for the actions of nazis. What they should do though, is recognize the history, understand it and its causes, and make sure the same shit won't happen again.

So Germans shouldn't feel responsible for the actions of the Nazis... but they have a greater responsibility than others to ensure it doesn't happen again?

Do you not see how this is contradictory?

[Poopadoop]

So Germans shouldn't feel responsible for the actions of the Nazis... but they have a greater responsibility than others to ensure it doesn't happen again?

Do you not see how this is contradictory?

I object to the word 'greater' here. I don't think his post implied that at all.

[OngBonga]

Men should feel guilt about being male about as much as young germans should feel responsibility for the actions of nazis. What they should do though, is recognize the history, understand it and its causes, and make sure the same shit won't happen again.

Poop -

What they should do...

Who is "they"? Why not "we"?

[Poopadoop]

Poop -



Who is "they"? Why not "we"?

Maybe he didn't think about how you would interpret the two words differently because he's not a pedant. I don't know.

I did not interpret it as 'only they and no-one else' though.

I'm sure Cocco will happy to clarify his exact meaning.

[OngBonga]

Maybe he didn't think about how you would interpret the two words differently because he's not a pedant. I don't know.

I did not interpret it as 'only they and no-one else' though.

It's not pedantry. It's what he meant. He literally suggested "they" should take more responsibility after saying they shouldn't.

[Poopadoop]

Men should feel guilt about being male about as much as young germans should feel responsibility for the actions of nazis. What they should do though, is recognize the history, understand it and its causes, and make sure the same shit won't happen again.

See, it's interesting that you read this differently than I because we're both quite literate.

I see the first 'they' in the second sentence as somewhat ambiguous, as it could either refer to young Germans or men, since both subjects were present in the first sentence. So one could even interpret the second sentence as being all about how men should react to male privelege, not young Germans reacting to Nazi-era shit.

Also, the 'What they should do', regardless of who 'they' is referring to, doesn't read to me as 'they are solely responsible for doing this and everyone else isn't', which seems to be how you are reading it.

Edit: so much for Finland's amazing education system. This guy can't even write an airtight statement void of ambiguity in his second language.