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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Why would that be a tough pill to swallow? Are you saying you WANT to find out that Trump made a deal with Putin? You would actually be glad to find out that the election process was so easily corrupted? You would be unhappy if you were to find out that the election was conducted fairly, honestly, and justly??
    You're giving me the power to decide which fork in the road our future history will take-- I am not assuming that power when I say one outcome will be harder to accept.

    Also, you only focused on the collusion part. There's also the possibility of obstruction, and there is certainly a motive to obstruct even if innocent of the specific crime of collusion.

    I could flip the question on you-- I assume it would be a tough pill for you to swallow if Trump was impeached because of Russiagate. Does that mean that you'd prefer Russia to get away with colluding with candidates seeking elected office in our country and/or that a precedent is set so that any future president can obstruct justice if it suits their interests? No, it would be a tough pill for you to swallow because you don't currently think he is guilty and you'd either have to refuse to accept it or have your worldview shaken the fuck up.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    There's also the possibility of obstruction
    Obstruction requires intent.

    If Trump is innocent, and was never trying to cover up a crime, then you're a little thin on motive.

    Furthermore.....you'll never prove intent.

    Do you really think there's a tweet or a document, or a witness that proves Trump was completely oblivious to the bad job Comey was doing, the fact that public's confidence in Comey was dog crap, and the documented recommendations of a notably non-partisan Assistant Attorney General....and that he ONLY did it to try and stop the Russia investigation....even though even a kindergartener knows that firing Comey wouldn't actually stop the investigation. Jeeeeezus.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    I could flip the question on you-- I assume it would be a tough pill for you to swallow if Trump was impeached because of Russiagate. Does that mean that you'd prefer Russia to get away with colluding with candidates seeking elected office in our country and/or that a precedent is set so that any future president can obstruct justice if it suits their interests?
    That's such a loaded question.

    And that's not a good "flip". The two are not analogous.

    You're presenting two options A) Trump is guilty and punished or B) Trump is guilty and not punished.

    I'm presenting two options A) Trump is guilty and punished or B) Trump is not guilty and everyone is reassured that despite their best efforts a foreign power did not affect the outcome of the election.

    see the difference?

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