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    It's a good fix, but not the whole story. It's common in many places ('round here, anyways) for police to pick up known teenage hoodlums on a Fri or Sat and hold them for 20 hours, knowing they have no charge to file.

    I suspect this is because teenagers are minors, and these particular teenagers have shit parents who don't give a crap that their kid's rights are being violated because it means they don't have to deal with the kid for a day. (pure conjecture, I admit)

    E.g. they (police) recognize a vehicle, pull it over, despite no traffic violations, find nothing to write a ticket about and arrest and detain the person for 20 hours anyway.
    This is legal, despite the obvious open door to police harassment, because a police officer's probable cause is 100% subjective.

    I think it should be 100% subjective, because we need to trust our police to use their best judgement and to notice subtle things and take them seriously... that's going to lead to some false flags, and most of the time, that's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    It's a good fix, but not the whole story. It's common in many places ('round here, anyways) for police to pick up known teenage hoodlums on a Fri or Sat and hold them for 20 hours, knowing they have no charge to file.

    I suspect this is because teenagers are minors, and these particular teenagers have shit parents who don't give a crap that their kid's rights are being violated because it means they don't have to deal with the kid for a day. (pure conjecture, I admit)

    E.g. they (police) recognize a vehicle, pull it over, despite no traffic violations, find nothing to write a ticket about and arrest and detain the person for 20 hours anyway.
    This is legal, despite the obvious open door to police harassment, because a police officer's probable cause is 100% subjective.

    I think it should be 100% subjective, because we need to trust our police to use their best judgement and to notice subtle things and take them seriously... that's going to lead to some false flags, and most of the time, that's fine.
    I find everything in this post extremely hard to believe.

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