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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    that doesn't mean that he's dumb, unstable, hateful, or dangerously temperamental.
    He never said it does mean those things.

    You act as though attributing those qualities to Trump is just some ploy that comes out of thin air, like, say, questioning Obama's citizenship.

    Those attributions have nothing to do with his status as a celebrity, they have to do with his behavior.

    When you do interviews where you babble incoherently, people call you dumb.

    When you overreact to every little slight, people call you unstable.

    I'm not sure anyone calls him hateful, but if they did, if might come from seeing his blatantly racist tendencies.

    Dangerously temperamental might be overstating it a bit, but I beware of anyone who refers to himself as 'very stable'. It sounds like the kind of thing an unstable person would say.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    He never said it does mean those things.
    Actually, he kinda did. The argument was that Trump's successes prove that his brain works. Boost's reply was "he's not as successful as you think he is". That's wrong. It's also incoherent babbling unless the intent is to suggest that Trump might indeed be stupid, and his success doesn't prove otherwise.

    You act as though attributing those qualities to Trump is just some ploy that comes out of thin air
    No I don't. I think attributing those qualities to Trump is just some ploy that comes out of partisan rage over Hillary's loss.

    , like, say, questioning Obama's citizenship
    That didn't come out of thin air. It came from Hillary Clinton. Obama was addressing rumors about his birth during the 2008 primaries, and for years afterward. Donald Trump never once brought up the subject before 2011.

    Those attributions have nothing to do with his status as a celebrity, they have to do with his behavior.
    You mean the cherry picked behaviors edited together into a disparaging blooper reel. No reasonable or intelligent person could make those attributions when considering the entirety of Trump's resume.

    When you do interviews where you babble incoherently, people call you dumb.
    If the guy made a habit of 'babbling incoherently', then there is absolutely no way he could become an icon of business success, an elite entertainment star, and hold the highest political office in the world. It just couldn't happen. Again, you're cherry picking frames for your blooper reel.

    When you overreact to every little slight, people call you unstable.
    The mainstream media has declared war on him and has devoted every resource they have to discrediting him, nullifying his success, and ultimately removing him form office in clear defiance of a fair electoral process. You call that a "little slight"???

    I'm not sure anyone calls him hateful, but if they did, if might come from seeing his blatantly racist tendencies.
    You should look up the word "blatant". I don't think it means what you think it means. There have been some insensitive and off-color one-liners. But nothing that warrants the accusations of hate, racism, and bigotry that he's had to endure.

    Dangerously temperamental might be overstating it a bit.
    Some guy named Tim Steyer has got a real hard on for a Trump impeachment and is running ads all over cable news. One asks "what can a president do in 30 seconds" and then goes on to suggest that it's enough time for Trump to throw a tantrum and enter nuclear launch codes. If you think that's a realistic possibility, you're in-fucking-sane. So it's nice that you say "dangerously temperamental" is an overstatement. But that's not the overall narrative being pushed in the media. The media is telling people that's a real risk.

    , but I beware of anyone who refers to himself as 'very stable'. It sounds like the kind of thing an unstable person would say.
    How would a stable person respond to incredibly insulting and ignorant inquiries about his mental capacity?
    Last edited by BananaStand; 02-19-2018 at 03:46 PM.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Actually, he kinda did. The argument was that Trump's successes prove that his brain works. Boost's reply was "he's not as successful as you think he is". That's wrong. It's also incoherent babbling unless the intent is to suggest that Trump might indeed be stupid, and his success doesn't prove otherwise.
    1. Why do you equate all his 'success' at business (I guess all the bankruptcies and whatnot don't register) with supreme intelligence?

    2. Assuming he has a superior business acumen, why do you insist it must transfer to all other intellectual domains?


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post

    That didn't come out of thin air. It came from Hillary Clinton. Obama was addressing rumors about his birth during the 2008 primaries, and for years afterward. Donald Trump never once brought up the subject before 2011.
    But when he did he sure ran with it didn't he?


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You mean the cherry picked behaviors edited together into a disparaging blooper reel. No reasonable or intelligent person could make those attributions when considering the entirety of Trump's resume.
    Hard to argue they're cherry picked when pretty much every day is a blooper reel, but w/e.



    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    If the guy made a habit of 'babbling incoherently', then there is absolutely no way he could become an icon of business success, an elite entertainment star, and hold the highest political office in the world. It just couldn't happen. Again, you're cherry picking frames for your blooper reel.
    No, he mainly babbles incoherently when he's asked about things like policy. This concerns people who for some reason feel it's his job to be able to show some understanding of the issues involved. So either he's a genius who's too lazy to learn what he needs to know to do his job properly or he's an idiot who couldn't do his job properly if he tried. Take your pick.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    The mainstream media has declared war on him and has devoted every resource they have to discrediting him, nullifying his success, and ultimately removing him form office in clear defiance of a fair electoral process.
    Half of them have done this, the other half are doing exactly the opposite.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You call that a "little slight"???
    When did I say that? Every little slight does not include every big slight.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You should look up the word "blatant". I don't think it means what you think it means. There have been some insensitive and off-color one-liners. But nothing that warrants the accusations of hate, racism, and bigotry that he's had to endure.
    Taken in sum, his behavior reflects what is most likely a racist outlook. Go watch the 'blooper reel' as you call it and say that guy doesn't seem like a wee bit racist.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Some guy named Tim Steyer has got a real hard on for a Trump impeachment and is running ads all over cable news. One asks "what can a president do in 30 seconds" and then goes on to suggest that it's enough time for Trump to throw a tantrum and enter nuclear launch codes. If you think that's a realistic possibility, you're in-fucking-sane. So it's nice that you say "dangerously temperamental" is an overstatement. But that's not the overall narrative being pushed in the media. The media is telling people that's a real risk.
    How is that any different from any other president? People ran campaigns claiming Obama was a terrorist. If you can't stand the heat, don't run for president - you might win and have to deal with this greasy shit.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    How would a stable person respond to incredibly insulting and ignorant inquiries about his mental capacity?
    Most of us just ignore you when you do that. Why would I feel the need to defend my intellect when I'm secure about it? I don't. So, what I don't do is send a list of a dozen tweets putting you down and claiming you're part of a conspiracy against me, and that I'm like, a really really really smart person.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    1. Why do you equate all his 'success' at business with supreme intelligence?
    His success is too great and too sustained to be luck. It's also not the result of a 'head start', as I demonstrated to boost a few posts above.
    What else could it be? Do you think people just gave him all that money because he's so good looking?

    (I guess all the bankruptcies and whatnot don't register)
    He started 513 companies. 4 declared bankruptcy. Scoreboard

    2. Assuming he has a superior business acumen, why do you insist it must transfer to all other intellectual domains?
    Define business acumen? Do you think it's just knowing when to buy/sell? A business empire his size requires a high number of the executive skills that are also requisites for president. leadership, negotiation, policy, a deep understanding of markets, stuff like that. The overlap is tremendous. Why do you insist on separating business skill from political skill.

    But when he did he sure ran with it didn't he?
    I'd describe it differently. He said basically "there's enough murkiness around this guy's birthplace that we should get to the bottom of this". Then rather than "run with it", he drew a line in the sand. "Show your birth certificate before the election and I'll give $5M to the charity of your choice"

    Even if you think Trump is being petty, partisan, and in-fucking-sane.....you know he has the money, and you know he'll pay up. So why wouldn't obama just show the document? Don't you think that looks suspicious??

    In any event, he became convinced otherwise and admitted he was wrong. Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

    Hard to argue they're cherry picked when pretty much every day is a blooper reel, but w/e.
    It only looks that way filtered through CNN

    No, he mainly babbles incoherently when he's asked about things like policy.
    Disagree. Every word is audible and intelligible.

    This concerns people who for some reason feel it's his job to be able to show some understanding of the issues involved
    .
    This is a passive aggressive talking point from the left. Just because he doesn't agree with you about the issues involved, doesn't mean that he doesn't understand them.

    So either he's a genius who's too lazy to learn what he needs to know to do his job properly or he's an idiot who couldn't do his job properly if he tried. Take your pick.
    What do you consider "proper"? Again, just because you disagree, doesn't mean something is improper. He seems to be handling the job just fine.

    Half of them have done this, the other half are doing exactly the opposite.
    That's simply not true. There's Fox, and then there is MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NY Times, WaPo, and many many others. In addition there is entertainment and academia. news media, entertainment industry, and academia......The left has a solid monopoly on the information that flows into people's brains.

    When did I say that?
    I quoted you. WTF??

    Every little slight does not include every big slight.
    I don't know what you mean here. There is a 24 hour multi-network campaign to destroy the man. If that's little, what do you consider a "big slight"?

    Taken in sum, his behavior reflects what is most likely a racist outlook. Go watch the 'blooper reel' as you call it and say that guy doesn't seem like a wee bit racist.
    I think he's as racist as any 71 year affluent white man. Which by 2018 standards is "a wee bit racist". It's part insensitivity, it's part overreaction to political correctness, but there's no hate there. All of the intense "-ist" adjectives that have been used to describe him, heavily imply a hateful agenda.

    How is that any different from any other president? People ran campaigns claiming Obama was a terrorist. If you can't stand the heat, don't run for president - you might win and have to deal with this greasy shit.
    The obama-terrorist business was fringe at best. The "Trump is a maniac" stuff is clearly mainstream. Claims that "obama is a terrorist" and "Trump can't be trusted with nukes" are equally insane. Yet the latter has considerably more credibility. Do you see the problem??

    If the ObamaHatersUSA superPAC tried to buy airtime on CNN claiming that Obama was a terrorist.....what do you think would happen?

    Most of us just ignore you when you do that. Why would I feel the need to defend my intellect when I'm secure about it?
    Are you being serious here? If this is really what you think, I don't see how you can feel secure about your intellect.

    You can't let the mass media engage in a campaign to denigrate your intelligence, not fight back, and still win an election. It's not a question of personal security. Other people's opinions matter. So if you're being smeared, and you hope to win an election, then it is absolutely imperative that you present your side of the story. That's what Twitter does for Trump. He absolutely NEEDS a rapid fire defense mechanism against the constant barrage of attacks on his intelligence, honor, and fitness for office.

    So, what I don't do is send a list of a dozen tweets putting you down and claiming you're part of a conspiracy against me, and that I'm like, a really really really smart person
    The guy is accused of treason with no evidence. I'd cry 'conspiracy' too.

    Again, he needs twitter to present his side of things quickly, simply, and in a way that connects with the public. Some people think it's not part of the comportment required of a Head of State. But like it or not, that connection with the public was a huge pillar of his victory.
    Last edited by BananaStand; 02-19-2018 at 08:41 PM.

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