Mixed Economies Rule, Libertarian Capitalism and Communism Both Suck

[OngBonga]

So you're saying capitalism is a myth?

[wufwugy]

So you're saying capitalism is a myth?

Paging Cathy Newman.

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Paging Cathy Newman.

I chuckled, but this isn't fair. Ong seems to be legitimately trying to clarify what spoon is getting at, not playing "gotcha." Also, Cathy Newman would have said, "So you're saying capitalism is a myth and you binge watch beastiality every Tuesday at half passed eight?"

[spoonitnow]

So you're saying capitalism is a myth?

From Wikipedia:

Capitalism is an economic system and ideology based upon private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets. In a capitalist market economy, decision-making and investment are determined by every owner of wealth, property or production ability in financial and capital markets, whereas prices and the distribution of goods and services are mainly determined by competition in goods and services markets.

The bold are the relevant parts that fly directly in the face of taxation without consent.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The bold are the relevant parts that fly directly in the face of taxation without consent.

Stop making yourself a victim.

You give consent by choosing where to live.

Not everyone has the maturity and mobility that you do, spoon. You certainly have plenty to offer as a productive member of any society you would choose to join. I don't imagine you'd have any trouble immigrating to any other country if you wanted to.

[BananaStand]

Stop making yourself a victim.

Worst kind of liberal jujitsu

"you have enough money to pay taxes, so don't complain about it because the rest of us don't". Over 50% of US citizens pay $0 in federal income tax, so they are simply not sensitive to this form of victimization. Simultaneously they consider themselves victims of other injustices that they consider "worse". And their preferred solution, is to tax more, because it affects them the least.

Government spending taxpayer funds in ways that do not represent the will of the taxpayers happens all the time. It's bad, it's wrong, and there are victims. "Stop making yourself a victim" is an insane suggestion. He was victimized. That makes him a victim.

And by the way...so have you.

[BananaStand]

You give consent by choosing where to live.

Duly elected representatives charged with governing, through consent of the governed, decided as a matter of policy to appropriate taxpayer funds for the purposes of maintaining an important and sophisticated system of criminal justice. Crimes happen, evidence is collected, suspects are charged, trials happen, verdicts are handed down, sentences are applied. That's it.

If that process is perverted, then the governed are victims. If a government official embezzles some of that money, citizens are victims. If a government official uses the power of his office to charge a political rival of wrongdoing, without any evidence, and smears that rival by initiating an investigation under false pretenses, resulting in a $5M cost to taxpayers....then the citizens are victims.

If you're saying the fact that nobody moved means that those perversions were consented to, then you have far surpassed the fringes of logic.

North Korea must be a great representative democracy because nobody ever leaves!!!

[wufwugy]

You give consent by choosing where to live.

Do you believe this logic applies to other things? Like, do people consent to being murdered by choosing to live where murders happen? Do women consent to having a baby by choosing to have sex?

[spoonitnow]

Stop making yourself a victim.

You give consent by choosing where to live.

Not everyone has the maturity and mobility that you do, spoon. You certainly have plenty to offer as a productive member of any society you would choose to join. I don't imagine you'd have any trouble immigrating to any other country if you wanted to.

This is like saying a woman gave consent to be raped by choosing to go to a man's apartment. It's simply not true.

[MadMojoMonkey]

This is like saying a woman gave consent to be raped by choosing to go to a man's apartment. It's simply not true.

lol. nope. try again.

[OngBonga]

The bold are the relevant parts that fly directly in the face of taxation without consent.

I'm not really disputing this, I'm simply questioning if capitalism exists since most governments, including the UK and USA, collect tax.