Christianity could be a higher order way of organizing lives

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The numbers don't lie, your outlandish leap to conclusions on the other hand..

It could be a concerted effort to eradicate black Americans-- or it could be an earnest effort to reduce the number of unwanted babies, which for myriad reasons (not least of which, higher rates of poverty and lower rates of marriage) happen to be black American babies at a greater rate than black American's representation in the population.

This chart is fun:

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The numbers don't lie, your outlandish leap to conclusions on the other hand..

It could be a concerted effort to eradicate black Americans-- or it could be an earnest effort to reduce the number of unwanted babies, which for myriad reasons (not least of which, higher rates of poverty and lower rates of marriage) happen to be black American babies at a greater rate than black American's representation in the population.

This chart is fun:

@bold, I never said it was concerted but that it was de facto. For the rest, I just parroted MLK's niece since that's always fun.

Marriage is a yuuuuuge issue in the black community. This has been covered relatively recently in other threads. Not having a father is the number one or number two predictor of virtually every bad thing that can happen to you in life across all demographics.

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@bold, I never said it was concerted but that it was de facto. For the rest, I just parroted MLK's niece since that's always fun.

But it's not if it is strengthening black communities. See below.

Marriage is a yuuuuuge issue in the black community. This has been covered relatively recently in other threads. Not having a father is the number one or number two predictor of virtually every bad thing that can happen to you in life across all demographics.

Right, and if you want strong families (black ones included) abortions in the case of unwanted pregnancies in which the father is absent or likely to be absent would help towards this goal. If that subset of pregnancies skews black, that speaks to issues further upstream and is not an argument against abortion or its implementation.

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Right, and if you want strong families (black ones included) abortions in the case of unwanted pregnancies in which the father is absent or likely to be absent would help towards this goal. If that subset of pregnancies skews black, that speaks to issues further upstream and is not an argument against abortion or its implementation.

Sometimes I wonder if having kids makes people better people (on average). Derivative from this idea is another idea that it could be the case that a population that doesn't have enough kids causes its own devolution.

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Sometimes I wonder if having kids makes people better people (on average). Derivative from this idea is another idea that it could be the case that a population that doesn't have enough kids causes its own devolution.

Oh, yeah, I like this. Not because I'm convinced, but because I love the dichotomy it sets up. Have more kids for the betterment of the whole at the expense of the proposed kids, or save the potential kids from the suffering of growing up in sufficiently sub-ideal circumstances.

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But it's not if it is strengthening black communities. See below.



Right, and if you want strong families (black ones included) abortions in the case of unwanted pregnancies in which the father is absent or likely to be absent would help towards this goal. If that subset of pregnancies skews black, that speaks to issues further upstream and is not an argument against abortion or its implementation.

Let's just use government funding to kill off all black kids that don't come from married parents. It'll help to create more strong black families, according to the logic above.

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Let's just use government funding to kill off all black kids that don't come from married parents. It'll help to create more strong black families, according to the logic above.

It will help ensure the families we do have are strong. I don't see black Americans dropping below replacement birth rates as a desirable outcome, I don't see it as undesirable. I am curious why you are so preoccupied with race here. It's not that I don't think it can be an issue, but I think you are forcing it to be one here.

If there are underlying issues that cause unwanted outcomes from an otherwise good action, the action is not to blame and the relief should be sought in addressing the underlying issues. But as oskar has so eloquently pointed out, this probably isn't the place for that, as it probably isn't even the place for this.

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Here's a quick recap:

I am curious why you are so preoccupied with race here.

I brought up abortion by saying that I think it's murder and that I'm pro-choice.

It continued with me ragging on MMM and others for getting pedantic over the definition of murder wrt abortion with showing how stupid it is to cling to that particular argument:

If the government made it legal to walk up and shoot black people in the head whenever you wanted, it's still murder.

Point being that bickering over the definition of murder being tied to whether it's legal or illegal is some real autistic shit and not at all in the spirit of what's being discussed.

Then oskar said the following, falling for the bait implying that my race reference (specifically reference to black genocide) was not relevant:

Can always count on spoon to drag whatever discussion down to a kindergartners level.

And I responded with stats showing that the race tie-in was much more complicated than that because it's de facto eugenics, in the words of Reverend Dr. Alveda King, which is not very Christian-like.

As an aside, I'm against government funding of Planned Parenthood.

All of which ties back around to the importance of the nuclear family (see the discussion of fathers above) and why that's so important in the Christian mythology with metaphor and without.

There's a reason why men are in charge. It's because without men in charge, everything goes to shit. That's an important lesson from the Bible about the differences in roles between men and women and how we each have to sacrifice differently.