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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    There's so many alternative facts provided by Trump and others on his side as to make it seem suspicious. He says one thing, the White House Gargoyle Conway says another, the press secretary has a different excuse. Sure, whatever.
    How would it have looked if he fired Comey, and then when asked why, he answered "It's classified"

    Maybe that was exactly the case, but instead he gave a different story in order to manage "optics". Someone mentioned once that's pretty important.

    I think it's entirely plausible that the soon-to-be released memo about FISA abuses has Comey's name all over it. Trump seems to have been aware, long before anyone else, that he was under surveillance. Maybe he knew that Comey aided and abetted Obama's abuses of power.

    If that's the case, optics be damned, Comey has to go.

    How is that scenario any less plausible than one where Trump fired Comey to obstruct justice?

    Seems to me that if you're the kind of person who just looks at a set of questionable circumstances, and decides to infer the worst just because you don't like the person in question, you are guilty of a kerfuffle.
    Last edited by BananaStand; 01-28-2018 at 03:03 PM.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    How would it have looked if he fired Comey, and then when asked why, he answered "It's classified"

    Maybe that was exactly the case, but instead he gave a different story in order to manage "optics". Someone mentioned once that's pretty important.

    I think it's entirely plausible that the soon-to-be released memo about FISA abuses has Comey's name all over it. Trump seems to have been aware, long before anyone else, that he was under surveillance. Maybe he knew that Comey aided and abetted Obama's abuses of power.

    If that's the case, optics be damned, Comey has to go.

    How is that scenario any less plausible than one where Trump fired Comey to obstruct justice?

    Seems to me that if you're the kind of person who just looks at a set of questionable circumstances, and decides to infer the worst just because you don't like the person in question, you are guilty of a kerfuffle.

    Oh, so now there's ANOTHER reason why he fired Comey, to add to the three or four provided at the time.

    Just a perfect example of propaganda at work. The more alternative facts you can provide, the less people will know what to believe.

    Goebbels would be proud.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Rather than try and fail to counter your many arguments, I'm just going to give up by dropping a backhanded insult, along with some nazi references for good measure.
    Wp
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Wp
    I didn't insult you, I countered your argument. But from this it seems you can't tell the difference.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I didn't insult you, I countered your argument. But from this it seems you can't tell the difference.
    Sorry, I must be unclear on the definition of "insult". You referred to my argument as "propaganda" (as if yours isn't, lol), and likened me to one of the worst human rights violators in history. What do you call that?

    Dismissing an argument is not the same as "countering". Try again.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Sorry, I must be unclear on the definition of "insult". You referred to my argument as "propaganda" (as if yours isn't, lol), and likened me to one of the worst human rights violators in history. What do you call that?

    Dismissing an argument is not the same as "countering". Try again.

    I didn't liken you to anything. I likened the latest Fox-inspired explanation for why Trump fired Comey to a propaganda technique where one floods the situation with alternative facts in order to confuse people.

    Calling your argument all kinds of shit is not the same as calling you all kinds of shit. I don't know why you try to personalize everything. Basically, in your little world, it seems anyone who doesn't agree with you is insulting you.

    I guess that's where you get the idea that calling people names is a solid debating strategy.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I didn't liken you to anything. I likened the latest Fox-inspired explanation for why Trump fired Comey to a propaganda technique where one floods the situation with alternative facts in order to confuse people.

    Calling your argument all kinds of shit is not the same as calling you all kinds of shit. I don't know why you try to personalize everything. Basically, in your little world, it seems anyone who doesn't agree with you is insulting you.

    I guess that's where you get the idea that calling people names is a solid debating strategy.
    Deflecting isn't countering either

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