Christianity could be a higher order way of organizing lives

[wufwugy]

People do that and much worse without the influence of religion. I think you may overestimate innate morality.

I have discussed family related problems with various members of my family a substantial amount. Logic and explanation is received almost entirely through the person's bias, and by the end of the conversation, not only has no progress towards a solution been made, but biases are probably entrenched.

Yet, every time I frame the situation in terms of the Bible, the family member stops filtering the information through their own biases that are causing the family trouble in the first place and instead filters through the bias that the Bible has the answers for how to comport oneself, and almost like waving a magic wand, they come away questioning their own role in the conflicts' causes.

It's almost like people are naturally homo sapiens. Religion appears to me to be an incredibly powerful tool to get homo sapiens that are acting like homo sapiens and causing the problems that homo sapiens are wont to cause to instead override their natural homo sapien-ness.

I don't know, maybe I have some special insight into this given my perceptions into my family. All they do is blame each other and it's impossible to get them to not blame each other with any logic or reason, but the moment I put the conflict in the perspective that the Christian ethos does, they stop blaming each other and start productively looking for solutions.

I'm not a fan of the worship of the natural human that the West has conjured off the back of the Christian ethos either.

[spoonitnow]

I have discussed family related problems with various members of my family a substantial amount. Logic and explanation is received almost entirely through the person's bias, and by the end of the conversation, not only has no progress towards a solution been made, but biases are probably entrenched.

Yet, every time I frame the situation in terms of the Bible, the family member stops filtering the information through their own biases that are causing the family trouble in the first place and instead filters through the bias that the Bible has the answers for how to comport oneself, and almost like waving a magic wand, they come away questioning their own role in the conflicts' causes.

It's almost like people are naturally homo sapiens. Religion appears to me to be an incredibly powerful tool to get homo sapiens that are acting like homo sapiens and causing the problems that homo sapiens are wont to cause to instead override their natural homo sapien-ness.

I don't know, maybe I have some special insight into this given my perceptions into my family. All they do is blame each other and it's impossible to get them to not blame each other with any logic or reason, but the moment I put the conflict in the perspective that the Christian ethos does, they stop blaming each other and start productively looking for solutions.

I'm not a fan of the worship of the natural human that the West has conjured off the back of the Christian ethos either.

The entire concept of reasoning with people is mistaken with the concept of being effective at persuading them.

[wufwugy]

The entire concept of reasoning with people is mistaken with the concept of being effective at persuading them.

Very much so.

[wufwugy]

With that in mind, religion is EXTREMELY persuasive, maybe the most persuasive thing ever. That suggests that if the tenets of the religion are better than the natural function of the human, the religion might be on net a good for humanity.

[spoonitnow]

With that in mind, religion is EXTREMELY persuasive, maybe the most persuasive thing ever. That suggests that if the tenets of the religion are better than the natural function of the human, the religion might be on net a good for humanity.

I'd agree to the degree that it's used for good. It can be used for evil as well. It's just a tool, etc etc.

[Poopadoop]

I have discussed family related problems with various members of my family a substantial amount. Logic and explanation is received almost entirely through the person's bias, and by the end of the conversation, not only has no progress towards a solution been made, but biases are probably entrenched.

Yet, every time I frame the situation in terms of the Bible, the family member stops filtering the information through their own biases that are causing the family trouble in the first place and instead filters through the bias that the Bible has the answers for how to comport oneself, and almost like waving a magic wand, they come away questioning their own role in the conflicts' causes.

It's almost like people are naturally homo sapiens. Religion appears to me to be an incredibly powerful tool to get homo sapiens that are acting like homo sapiens and causing the problems that homo sapiens are wont to cause to instead override their natural homo sapien-ness.

I don't know, maybe I have some special insight into this given my perceptions into my family. All they do is blame each other and it's impossible to get them to not blame each other with any logic or reason, but the moment I put the conflict in the perspective that the Christian ethos does, they stop blaming each other and start productively looking for solutions.

I'm not a fan of the worship of the natural human that the West has conjured off the back of the Christian ethos either.

I think you may be extrapolating a bit too far from your family to the general population. If you came to me or a lot of other people and said 'hey this is what Jesus would do', you may as well be telling me it's what Batman would do. I think I'd be more impressed by the wise and articulate dog story frankly.

But to speak to your immediate problem if it pushes the right buttons to quote scripture and all that as opposed to trying to use reason, then by all means testify.

[wufwugy]

I think you may be extrapolating a bit too far from your family to the general population. If you came to me or a lot of other people and said 'hey this is what Jesus would do', you may as well be telling me it's what Batman would do. I think I'd be more impressed by the wise and articulate dog story frankly.

Yeah I'm speaking in terms of people who basically are sufficiently Christian. In terms of people acting like normal homo sapiens and fucking shit up because of it, that applies to humankind all over the place. The Christian solution is obviously for those who appeal to the Christian belief.

[wufwugy]

I don't know, maybe I have some special insight into this given my perceptions into my family. All they do is blame each other and it's impossible to get them to not blame each other with any logic or reason, but the moment I put the conflict in the perspective that the Christian ethos does, they stop blaming each other and start productively looking for solutions.

inb4 somebody correctly points out that I am blaming others like a hypocrite. Even though I'm not really a part of the family problems I am discussing, I could have solved for all of them if I had sufficiently humbled myself and made the right sacrifices that would have led to those solutions.

[spoonitnow]

inb4 somebody correctly points out that I am blaming others like a hypocrite. Even though I'm not really a part of the family problems I am discussing, I could have solved for all of them if I had sufficiently humbled myself and made the right sacrifices that would have led to those solutions.

I don't know if that's the case, but I get your general sentiment.