**** Elections thread *****

[BananaStand]

Sorry, filter's still broke. I guess you'll either have to start presenting some cogent arguments without being obnoxious about it or I'll just not be able to discuss anything with you.

You first. What's your cogent argument for doubting the doctor?

[Poopadoop]

You first. What's your cogent argument for doubting the doctor?

First, we can start with the fact that he works for Trump and so has a vested career interest in saying things that put him in the best possible light. Right from that, we can assume anything he says is best taken with a huge grain of salt.

Second, he calls a man who eats fast food, doesn't exercise, has high cholesterol and is one pound short of obese "in excellent health."

Third, he claims that had Trump eaten properly and exercised he could have lived to 200 years. When you say something this absurd you raise doubts about your credibility as a serious doctor.

Fourth, he claims to know that Trump is not only fit to be president, but will remain so for 'years to come'. So, apparently he got his degree from Nostradamus U.

Fifth, he claims on the basis of a single two-minute cognitive test that Trump did 'exceedingly well' in that category.

Sixth, he basically brushed off all questions about Trump's mental problems, rambling nonsense interviews and other clear mental fails (such as losing his way to the limo parked right in front of him or wandering off at meetings) with some anecdotes about how sharp Trump appears to him. So his so-called "professional" opinion based on one short test and his own eyes is that Trump is sharp as a tack.

[BananaStand]

First, we can start with the fact that he works for Trump

This is just wrong. He works for the US government. He's been the whitehouse doctor for 12 years. He's exceeding qualified. I'll let you go look up his credentials. I'm not going to dignify your idiocy by giving you facts that you'll likely ignore anyway. Just know that this very first statement you're making is categorically false, and shamefully uninformed.

and so has a vested career interest in saying things that put him in the best possible light.

False again. He is a medical professional bound by ethical standards and oaths. he has a vested career interest in being honest and truthful. the guy has been WH doctor for three different presidents from two different parties. There's no reason to think he won't be the Dr for the next president, who may or may not align with Trump. If the next POTUS doesn't align with Trump, what happens to the Dr's career if there is any suspicion that the Dr is partisan??

Right from that, we can assume anything he says is best taken with a huge grain of salt.

This cynicism can't be real. You absolutely must be trolling.

Second, he calls a man who eats fast food, doesn't exercise, has high cholesterol and is one pound short of obese "in excellent health."

Yup. Do you know alot of 71 year olds in better health than Trump? He's clearly in a high percentile.

Third, he claims that had Trump eaten properly and exercised he could have lived to 200 years. When you say something this absurd you raise doubts about your credibility as a serious doctor.

He said "might have", and was clearly speaking hyperbolicly as a means to emphasize his findings of "overall excellent health". That's what hyperbole is. It's an exaggerated statement used to make a point. It's a perfectly valid literary device, which I'm sure is lost on a math nerd like yourself. If you're taking "200 years" literally, and using it to impugn the doctor's integrity, you're just being childish.

Fourth, he claims to know that Trump is not only fit to be president, but will remain so for 'years to come'. So, apparently he got his degree from Nostradamus U.

Physicians screen for signs of oncoming disease. In the absence of those signs, it's reasonable to assume that no disease is oncoming.

Fifth, he claims on the basis of a single two-minute cognitive test that Trump did 'exceedingly well' in that category

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yet another factual inaccuracy used to color an opinion you prefer to hold. The test takes a full ten minutes. I'll let you go back and look up the details to correct the record here. It's called the Montreal Cognitive Test

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...test-would-do/

The cognitive test on which Donald Trump received a perfect score is considered a good screening tool for mental decline in an otherwise healthy person, medical experts said.

Sixth, he basically brushed off all questions about Trump's mental problems

He talked for an hour and answered every single question.

rambling nonsense interviews and other clear mental fails (such as losing his way to the limo parked right in front of him or wandering off at meetings) with some anecdotes about how sharp Trump appears to him.

you've never forgotten where you parked? you've never brain-farted and done something uncharacteristically dumb?? I'll bet if you spent your entire life in the public eye, I could string together a pretty good highlight reel of your mental fails that makes you look like a fucking retard. But if I did that while simultaneously ignoring a lifetime of work that reflects an incredible acumen....I'd be a fucking retard.

So his so-called "professional" opinion based on one short test and his own eyes is that Trump is sharp as a tack.

The entire medical community agrees that the test is sound. What qualifies you to challenge its findings?

[Poopadoop]

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There's no way in hell a president is getting a bad grade on a physical. It doesn't matter how many degrees his doctor has or how good his CV is. When a doctor signs on for that job, he's doing it with the understanding that he's going to be an official gov't shill, no more or no less.

You can argue all you want about how 'good' his results are. It doesn't matter since if they weren't good they'd be altered to look good, and so there's no reason to take the report seriously at all.

[BananaStand]

There's no way in hell a president is getting a bad grade on a physical.

False. Even Trump's report contained many areas of concern and recommendations for improvement.

Bill Clinton's health was an ongoing concern throughout his presidency.

Reagan was diagnosed with a cancerous polyp while in office.

In terms of "overall health", I just don't see any way that a person who is not in "overall excellent health" could even become President in the first place.

[Poopadoop]

False. Even Trump's report contained many areas of concern and recommendations for improvement.

They have to make it sound plausible. They can't just say 'everyting's perfect' because only the stupidest person would believe that when a 71 year old guy is borderline obese, eats fast food and never exercises.

Bill Clinton's health was an ongoing concern throughout his presidency.

I'm sure it was on Fox News. The only thing I remember hearing is that his cholesterol was high. Could be wrong though. Maybe you can find the medical reports that show this ongoing concern.

Reagan was diagnosed with a cancerous polyp while in office.

That was removed and so no threat. I mean if the guy has to have surgery it's kinda hard to hide that. What are they going to say, he's having his tonsils out?

Also, wasn't Reagan declared mentally fit in the exam during his 2nd term? The guy wasn't mentally fit, he needed cue cards to talk to people on the phone.

In terms of "overall health", I just don't see any way that a person who is not in "overall excellent health" could even become President in the first place.

Really.

FDR.

JFK.

Reagan term 2.

Oh, and don't forget Harrison who died a month after taking office.


Anyways the question isn't really about the fact that Trump's got bad lifestyle habits and is overweight - that much is well known.

The question is whether he's got all his faculties. And a single test is not going to tell you that, assuming it would even be reported honestly if the results were indicative of cognitive decline.

Don't forget what prompted Trump to set up this medical in the first place. He wanted to prove he was mentally fit. Now, on the basis of one test that may or may not have been reported honestly, we're meant to believe that he is, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[Poopadoop]

Lol, just heard that Trump used to be 6'2" but in this medical is 6'3". Guess that explains how he kept from being diagnosed as obese.

[BananaStand]

They have to make it sound plausible. They can't just say 'everyting's perfect' because only the stupidest person would believe that when a 71 year old guy is borderline obese, eats fast food and never exercises.

It sounds plausible....because it is plausible.

I'm sure it was on Fox News. The only thing I remember hearing is that his cholesterol was high. Could be wrong though. Maybe you can find the medical reports that show this ongoing concern.

Fox News wasn't a thing back then. You don't remember his morning jogs being televised? You don't remember all the SNL skits where Phil Hartman (playing Clinton) jogged to a fast food restaurant and then commented on world affairs with a mouth full of burgers and fries?

That was removed and so no threat. I mean if the guy has to have surgery it's kinda hard to hide that. What are they going to say, he's having his tonsils out?

If it's so easy to get doctors to lie, for no other reason than to fool the press, then why not say he's getting his tonsils out??

Also, wasn't Reagan declared mentally fit in the exam during his 2nd term?

Source?

FDR.

Died fucking his side-piece. Obviously he was spry right up until the end.

JFK.

Had a different side-piece every day. Obviously he was spry right up until the end.

Reagan term 2.

Still waiting on a source on this. But considering how well term 1 went, he couldn't have been degrading too fast.

Oh, and don't forget Harrison who died a month after taking office.

That was 100 years ago.

Anyways the question isn't really about the fact that Trump's got bad lifestyle habits and is overweight - that much is well known.

Doesn't really stop you from shitting all over him for it.

The question is whether he's got all his faculties

It's hard to give that question any credibility when it's ONLY being asked by his political enemies.

And a single test is not going to tell you that

Actually yes it is. That's what the test is for. That's why they made the test.

assuming it would even be reported honestly if the results were indicative of cognitive decline.

Ass hole.

Don't forget what prompted Trump to set up this medical in the first place

Ass holes like you.

He wanted to prove he was mentally fit.

And he did.

Now, on the basis of one test

One test that every medical professional who's commented on this, agrees is sound and valid.

that may or may not have been reported honestly

So you wanted the test. He took the test. He passed the test. So now the test must be a lie????

, we're meant to believe that he is,

We're meant to believe the truth.

despite all the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence is that?? It seems that you're watching Trump blooper reels and saying "INSANE". Meanwhile a highly decorated, enormously credentialed, thoroughly vetted, experienced, medical professional and war veteran used sound scientific testing that is universally accepted among the medical community as reliable and valid.

Why is your evidence so much better than his?