Randomness thread, part two.

[Poopadoop]

I was explaining it to MMM but at the same time that logic is bullshit.

The goal of a joke is to be funny. If someone's response is 'haha' then you've succeeded. If they're response is 'why is that funny?' you haven't.

Ask 100 people if that's logical, and at least 99 will say 'yes' - unless two of them are you.

[oskar]

I thought that was a pretty good joke.

[Savy]

The goal of a joke is to be funny. If someone's response is 'haha' then you've succeeded. If they're response is 'why is that funny?' you haven't.

Ask 100 people if that's logical, and at least 99 will say 'yes' - unless two of them are you.

It's what stupid people say when they are too stupid to get the joke.

Also whilst this is a public forum thinking that jokes are made for the pleasure of everyone is also stupid.

[OngBonga]

Had no idea it was a singer either. Ariana Grande sounds like the name of a porn star with a big booty to me.

It sounds to me like "big arena" in French, so I figured it was some pretentious venue.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Oh yes you did

Still nope.
Go ahead and quote it.

^You realize that is really fucking trolly, right?

What's sad is that it's not. The boundaries of these fields strictly don't overlap.
What's sad is that this idea that science and religion are at odds with each other is mostly non-existent outside of the USA.

So I do get that in my lovely country, this can be considered trolly... due to the common public understanding being demonstrably incorrect.

More trollage. C'mon man, BOTH institutions are pretty much obsessed with the origin of the universe.

Yes. The Big Bang Theory was thought up by a Vatican Priest.

Damn that conflict between science and religion, though!

Yeah. Well, I wish I used stronger language then.

Hey Trolly McTrollerson, when I said 'you', it was meant to mean you scientists...collectively.

Umm... You mean this?

You just described every religious believer in the world. And there are literally billions of them. Science hasn't definitively proven the origins of the universe, maybe they think you're the troll.

That's not directed at me, personally?
I think you could have chosen your words better to avoid that confusion.

You don't think you're being a hair splitting troll here? Science's efforts to understand the conditions that led to the big bang, is really just another way of saying "under what conditions can we predict a big bang"

I'm neither hair splitting, nor trolling. I'm simply explaining the goals of science.
What the path to those goals produces cannot be called "facts" in the sense that they are incontrovertibly true. The history of science is that of new information revealing that old "facts" were not true after all. This has happened to literally every "fact" science ever produced except for the current set of "facts." There is every precedence for these current "facts" being later shown to be not true.

Science doesn't produce facts, and is not concerned with Truth (with a capitol T).

It is not currently clear whether the conditions which led to the big bang could ever be observed. As such, it is not clearly a question to be pondered by either science or religion. It is still in the province of both until this becomes clear.

[BananaStand]

The boundaries of these fields strictly don't overlap..

As such, it is not clearly a question to be pondered by either science or religion. It is still in the province of both

I think you trolled yourself buddy

[MadMojoMonkey]

I think you trolled yourself buddy

Try again.

I said this question is not clearly inside or outside the boundaries of science, so they can both ponder it until that's figured out.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The goal of a joke is to be funny. If someone's response is 'haha' then you've succeeded. If they're response is 'why is that funny?' you haven't.

Ask 100 people if that's logical, and at least 99 will say 'yes' - unless two of them are you.

What about brilliant, layered comedy that you repeatedly discover after many exposures to said comedy?

What about the art of presenting a story such that some of the comedy is referencing a future scene which you haven't been exposed to, yet?
The 2nd and future readings/watchings reveal more and more of these little "inside jokes."

Mr. Show was excellent for this kind of humor.

[Poopadoop]

What about brilliant, layered comedy that you repeatedly discover after many exposures to said comedy?

What about the art of presenting a story such that some of the comedy is referencing a future scene which you haven't been exposed to, yet?

When Savy makes it into one of those categories I will tip him my hat. First he needs to come up with a good one-liner.

[BananaStand]

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/0...-solution.html

30K for coming up with the idea of putting a glove compartment on a plane???

At what point do engineers just say "we're done, we've already invented everything"

[MadMojoMonkey]

30K for coming up with the idea of putting a glove compartment on a plane???

Sweet!

At what point do engineers just say "we're done, we've already invented everything"

I mean... I understand the words, but not why you put them in that order.

... already invented everything?

No engineer has any idea what that could possibly mean.

[BananaStand]

I mean... I understand the words, but not why you put them in that order.

... already invented everything?

No engineer has any idea what that could possibly mean.

If necessity is the mother of invention, then that means in order to invent something new, or improve upon an existing invention, there needs to be some kind of unaddressed need.

I would imagine that if you won an engineering contest, and were awarded huge sums of prize money for it, that your 'invention' would have addressed a significant need. In this case, that need is for more foot space on airplanes. That doesn't sound significant. It sounds frivolous and indulgent.

If that's considered to be prize-winning engineering these days, then maybe the game is over.

Once upon a time if you wanted to get from NY to Califronia, that trip would take 30 years. You'd walk, or ride a horse for days and days and days. Natives would shoot you with arrows and if you died, they'd just leave you there. They'd put a stick in the ground, put your hat on it, and keep walking.

That's a significant hardship that led to the invention of airplanes.

Now, our greatest hardship is "I wish I had more places to put my feet"

I'm not sure the Wright brothers would be proud.

[Savy]

lol at not thinking that more space on flights isn't a huge positive, easily worth millions to airlines.

[BananaStand]

lol at not thinking that more space on flights isn't a huge positive, easily worth millions to airlines.

LOL at you buddy. That's a gigantic myth.

Look at recent news for United, Delta, and Southwest. They're CUTTING services to compete with discount airlines. Airlines are starting to realize that they really have the public by the balls.

Passenger - "I need to get from London to New York, and I need to get there TODAY"
Airline - "Sure sir, here's a seat, affordably priced on a direct, non-stop flight to your destination."
Passenger - "Great where should I put my suitcase"
Airline - "Oh I'll take it. And don't worry, it will be right here waiting for you when you land"
Passenger - "Oh that's great. I'm hungry though"
Airline - "No worries sir, refreshments are served on the plane"
Passenger - "Hey this is all great, but sometimes my carry on bag touches my feet"
Airline - "Well we would be happy to gate-check the bag for you, free of charge. the bag will be right outside the plane door when we land"
Passenger - "But what if I want something inside it during flight?"
Airline - "well we have spacious overhead compartments for your personal items"
Passenger - "but sometimes they're full"
Airline - "well there is space under the seat in front of you"
Passenger - "But that slightly limits the potential configurations in which I can rest my feet"
Airline - "Fuck off then. You can swim to New York you fucking baby"

The only way that innovation is worth anything to airlines, is if people actually do decide that air travel isn't' worth the hassle of compressed leg room, and instead choose to swim.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@Mr. Stand: The way you describe it, people shouldn't complain to use a stinking outhouse pit if they need to use a restroom while at a restaurant or other public place of commerce.
(Ignore public health issues with the stinking pit)
People 100 years ago may think this is normal and anyone who complains is being a baby. Nowadays, not so much.

***
I don't know how you can assert that anything about being an airline passenger is not dehumanizing.
Everything about the experience aside from the saved travel time is tedious at best and often borders on cruel.

Like: every passenger is guilty until proven innocent in an airport
Like: if you're tall, the small leg room isn't inconvenient, it's painful

***
The aerospace industry scrapes thin margins. The state of the industry is such that any innovation is huge. If you can find a way to manufacture an airplane engine with 1% more efficiency than the current best, you'll make millions in the first sales run.

If you can find a way to get 1% better lift/drag ratio out of an airfoil, the same.

I'm actually overstating things. If you can get 0.1% improvement on those things, you'll be set.


Also... $30k to an airline?
Chicken scratch.
It's worth it in ad costs simply because we are discussing it, now.

[BananaStand]

@Mr. Stand: The way you describe it, people shouldn't complain to use a stinking outhouse pit if they need to use a restroom while at a restaurant or other public place of commerce.
(Ignore public health issues with the stinking pit)

Yeah. If we're ignoring the public health issues, then people have no basis to complain, other than their own sense of entitlement. If you don't like our stinking pit, then go home and use your own toilet. Or go to a restaurant with a nicer bathroom if that's what you're after. We sell food here. Eat, pay, and get out.

I don't know how you can assert that anything about being an airline passenger is not dehumanizing.

You're riding in a chair, in the sky!!!! That's not dehumanizing...that's deifying!!

Everything about the experience aside from the saved travel time is tedious at best and often borders on cruel.

Tedious?? NY to LA in 5 hours. If that's too tedious for you, try walking.

Like: every passenger is guilty until proven innocent in an airport

Puh-leeeze man. You hold your hands above your head, the spinny thing checks you for bombs, and then you go about your business.

Like: if you're tall, the small leg room isn't inconvenient, it's painful

Well, try driving from NY to LA. Tell me how your legs feel after that.

The aerospace industry scrapes thin margins. The state of the industry is such that any innovation is huge. If you can find a way to manufacture an airplane engine with 1% more efficiency than the current best, you'll make millions in the first sales run.

You're talking about reducing costs. Sure, that innovation would be helpful. This 'glove compartment' doesn't reduce costs. It increases passenger comfort, and just barely. If anything, it makes the plane more expensive.

More importantly, it doesn't serve a need. If you can improve a jet's gas mileage, then the airline makes more profits. Those profits can be reinvested into more planes, hence more flights, hence more travellers, hence more profits. That addresses NEEDS. There is a need to conserve fuel and reduce costs. There is a need to increase volume and profits.

You cant' tell me that there are people out there right now who want to go places, have the money and time to do so, but aren't going because they don't like keeping their feet still for two hours. And you can't tell me that once these people see the new glove compartment thingy, they'll start flying more, because it's more comfortable.

There is nothing an airline can offer you that is more important to you than speed and convenience. Comfort is only a priority if what you're offering is not competitive relative to other airlines.

Also... $30k to an airline?

They spent a lot more than that just putting together the contest and the event(s) associated with it. $30k is just the prize money. And even if it's 30 cents, it's getting absorbed into the price of your ticket. Next time you're shocked at the cost of air travel, remind yourself "oh, but that had to pay for that little glove compartment thingy that I never use"

and
"oh they have to pay an actual human being to walk up and down the isle and hand out 3 oz drinks to people"

and
"oh they have to pay an actual human being to walk through the plane again and collect all the trash because the drinks are 95% ice"

and
"someone has to stand at the front at the beginning of each flight and point to where the emergency exit is. Because that glowing red sign and conspicuous doorway on the side of the plane isn't obvious to some people"

and a hell of a lot more unnecessary shit that's driving up the cost of your flight.

Airlines would be a hell of a lot more profitable if Airlines would just admit "hey you can buy your own drinks inthe terminal before you board". And, "if there's an emergency in flight, we're all fucking dead, don't count on a stewardess to show you where the door is"

[MadMojoMonkey]

Haha. Your answer to everything is: "Other people don't make mistakes, you do."

Yeah.. the airlines are perfect, and if anyone doesn't think 100% everything about them is totally great, then they're not even allowed on board.
It's literally a "my way or the highway" attitude.


So puerile.

[BananaStand]

Haha. Your answer to everything is: "Other people don't make mistakes, you do."

Whose the 'you' in that sentence?

Yeah.. the airlines are perfect, and if anyone doesn't think 100% everything about them is totally great, then they're not even allowed on board.

Where did I say that. I have plenty of complaints about how airlines are run.

It's literally a "my way or the highway" attitude.

At least you can say you're a better comedian than Savy.

So puerile.

Are you kidding? Who was the one whining a few posts ago about how the air travel industry was "cruel"?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Whose the 'you' in that sentence?

Whomever you're addressing.

Where did I say that.

Dude. You didn't say that, I did.
You can't tell 'cause the quote you quoted had my name in bold, but you cropped that part off.

I have plenty of complaints about how airlines are run.

IDK if you've heard, but if you don't like the airlines, you aren't allowed to use them anymore.

At least you can say you're a better comedian than Savy.

To each their own, I guess.

Are you kidding?

With you? Almost certainly. Is anything you say legit?

Who was the one whining a few posts ago about how the air travel industry was "cruel"?

That's me, and I'd continue if I thought it was anything aside from wasted time.
Their business practices are the antithesis of what I consider respectful service.

[aubreymcfate]

[BananaStand]

IDK if you've heard, but if you don't like the airlines, you aren't allowed to use them anymore.

I like the airlines. My problem is with every single one of their other customers.

With you? Almost certainly. Is anything you say legit?

I think you're well aware that I don't kid around when it comes to science and engineering.

Their business practices are the antithesis of what I consider respectful service.

That's part entitlement, part insecurity. Zero parts disrespect.

If you feel disrespected, it's by design. Complaining about it only validates the practice. As I stated, there is absolutely nothing that an airline could offer you that's more important to you than speed and convenience. Otherwise, you'd take a car, or a bus, or a limousine. All of those options offer greater comfort and less obstacles than air travel. Less security screening, more leg room, windows that open, and in all likelihood a much cheaper price.

But those methods are slow. So they lose, and they lose huge when compared to air travel despite the litany of superior features.

You need to get somewhere and you need to get there fast. Your decision to purchase an airline ticket will never be swayed by whether or not you have an extra storage compartment under your seat. You could be forced to hold your carry on in your lap for the duration of the flight and you would still buy a ticket.

The only incentive that the airline has to provide these luxuries is to differentiate themselves from other airlines. But once the practice is adopted industry wide, then it becomes a cost slashing game once again. This cycle repeats with new innovations, the benefits of which diminish each time the cycle is repeated. Eventually the impact of new ideas approaches zero. And we're pretty close to that point if we're giving out medals for "inventing" a shelf.

[Jack Sawyer]

Yeah. If we're ignoring the public health issues, then people have no basis to complain, other than their own sense of entitlement. If you don't like our stinking pit, then go home and use your own toilet. Or go to a restaurant with a nicer bathroom if that's what you're after. We sell food here. Eat, pay, and get out.


You're riding in a chair, in the sky!!!! That's not dehumanizing...that's deifying!!


Tedious?? NY to LA in 5 hours. If that's too tedious for you, try walking.


Puh-leeeze man. You hold your hands above your head, the spinny thing checks you for bombs, and then you go about your business.


Well, try driving from NY to LA. Tell me how your legs feel after that.


You're talking about reducing costs. Sure, that innovation would be helpful. This 'glove compartment' doesn't reduce costs. It increases passenger comfort, and just barely. If anything, it makes the plane more expensive.

More importantly, it doesn't serve a need. If you can improve a jet's gas mileage, then the airline makes more profits. Those profits can be reinvested into more planes, hence more flights, hence more travellers, hence more profits. That addresses NEEDS. There is a need to conserve fuel and reduce costs. There is a need to increase volume and profits.

You cant' tell me that there are people out there right now who want to go places, have the money and time to do so, but aren't going because they don't like keeping their feet still for two hours. And you can't tell me that once these people see the new glove compartment thingy, they'll start flying more, because it's more comfortable.

There is nothing an airline can offer you that is more important to you than speed and convenience. Comfort is only a priority if what you're offering is not competitive relative to other airlines.


They spent a lot more than that just putting together the contest and the event(s) associated with it. $30k is just the prize money. And even if it's 30 cents, it's getting absorbed into the price of your ticket. Next time you're shocked at the cost of air travel, remind yourself "oh, but that had to pay for that little glove compartment thingy that I never use"

and
"oh they have to pay an actual human being to walk up and down the isle and hand out 3 oz drinks to people"

and
"oh they have to pay an actual human being to walk through the plane again and collect all the trash because the drinks are 95% ice"

and
"someone has to stand at the front at the beginning of each flight and point to where the emergency exit is. Because that glowing red sign and conspicuous doorway on the side of the plane isn't obvious to some people"

and a hell of a lot more unnecessary shit that's driving up the cost of your flight.

Airlines would be a hell of a lot more profitable if Airlines would just admit "hey you can buy your own drinks inthe terminal before you board". And, "if there's an emergency in flight, we're all fucking dead, don't count on a stewardess to show you where the door is"

LOL hardcore trolling

[OngBonga]

The Fall are fucking brilliant. Mark E Smith looked like he'd been wheeled out of a care home for an hour to perform. He has a lump on the side of his head the size of a golf ball. Kinda half expected to get home and discover I watched his last gig.

[OngBonga]

Priorities...

Terror attack? Grab beer and run.

[Poopadoop]

Priorities...

Terror attack? Grab beer and run.

With the price of drinks in London I'd grab my beer too.

[oskar]

Is Theresa May mentally retarded or is there some kind of viable strategy here... obviously not to combat terrorism but to impose regulations on ISP's that could leverage power or turn a profit?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7771896.html

[OngBonga]

Is Theresa May mentally retarded or is there some kind of viable strategy here...

Both.

[OngBonga]

To those who think cricket is an insignificant sport...

Today, over 10% of the global population were either watching or listening to a Champions Trophy group game. It's not even the final, it's the group stage with qualification to the semi finals at stake.

Admittedly, the vast majority of them were in India, loads of them huddled round a single TV or radio. But between India, Pakistan, and those abroad who have an interest in this cricket game, it's over a billion.

For a game of fucking cricket.

[oskar]

The interesting thing about cricket is how insanely popular it is in England and yet nobody in the rest of the world even knows what the fuck is going on. At least with snooker and darts you get the idea. Cricket... anyone's guess. It's like watching an ant hill.

[OngBonga]

It's not really that popular here, compared to football. I mean sure we have millions playing it, but it's India and Pakistan that really love the sport.

For the most part, following cricket is easy, and people who say it's complex must be a little bit stupid tbh. You hit the ball, you run. You get a point. You miss the ball and the bails come off, you're out. You get caught, you're out. You have 11 guys, 2 batting at a given time. Get as many runs as you can before ten guys are out.

Sure, it does get a lot more technical than that, but the basic gist is simple.

It's not like watching an ant hill. If anything, it's like flicking ants coming out of an anthill, and getting six points for the ones that go far. Do it for five days, then when it starts raining, call it a draw and go inside for a cup of tea.

[OngBonga]

Another one from the "get on with it" archive...

[OngBonga]

With the price of drinks in London I'd grab my beer too.

Drinks are only expensive in London if you're not from London. If you're paid London wages, then drinks are cheap.

This guy clearly isn't a Londoner.

[oskar]

So I'm having a conversation with my good friend M. and he casually mentions he has had trouble with his car. Something about the spark plug, he had to take it to the mechanic. M has been nothing but nice to me. He invites me to parties on his rooftop terrace where he gives me meat and beer, but when he tells me he's having another man look at his car because the spark plugs don't work right, I don't see my good friend M anymore. When you have another man look at your spark plugs, you should be asked to hand in your balls. They should take your jeans off you and put you in a little tutu and give you a shirt that sais SASSY so everyone knows what a helpless bitch you are. I'm not being hyperbolic. Fix your own damn shit. It's not hard.

[Savy]

So I'm having a conversation with my good friend M. and he casually mentions he has had trouble with his car. Something about the spark plug, he had to take it to the mechanic. M has been nothing but nice to me. He invites me to parties on his rooftop terrace where he gives me meat and beer, but when he tells me he's having another man look at his car because the spark plugs don't work right, I don't see my good friend M anymore. When you have another man look at your spark plugs, you should be asked to hand in your balls. They should take your jeans off you and put you in a little tutu and give you a shirt that sais SASSY so everyone knows what a helpless bitch you are. I'm not being hyperbolic. Fix your own damn shit. It's not hard.

With the internet showing you how to do literally everything this is fair.

[oskar]

Thank you!

[MadMojoMonkey]

When you have another man look at your spark plugs, you should be asked to hand in your balls. They should take your jeans off you and put you in a little tutu and give you a shirt that sais SASSY so everyone knows what a helpless bitch you are. I'm not being hyperbolic. Fix your own damn shit. It's not hard.

How far reaching is this? Like, if I wear the tutu and shirt, I wont be expected to do auto maintenance, right? Anything else?

Like, can I get out of mowing the lawn? Re-wiring bad fixtures and switches? Taking out the trash?
Paying a mortgage?

...


This could be hugely +EV, despite the social stigma.

[MadMojoMonkey]

When you have another man look at your spark plugs[...]

Well, what if this is his mechanic?


I don't even care that that's not where the spark plugs are.

[oskar]

The difference is that with women there's a mutual benefit. The man feels good about helping the woman and the woman feels good about making the man feel useful. In a man to man scenario there is no such dynamic except with the queers and then it's totally acceptable.

Oh and in reverse gender roles... I'm not sure what would happen but I imagine what happens to Scarlett Johannsen's victims in Under The Skin to be a fairly accurate depiction.

[oskar]

How far reaching is this? Like, if I wear the tutu and shirt, I wont be expected to do auto maintenance, right? Anything else?

Like, can I get out of mowing the lawn? Re-wiring bad fixtures and switches? Taking out the trash?
Paying a mortgage?

...


This could be hugely +EV, despite the social stigma.

If you can live with the shame. The crippling shame. At least you won't be in the minority.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm a physicist, remember?
I'm already used to crippling shame in nearly all social settings.

[MadMojoMonkey]

This is at least half satire, but I feel like the implied crossover between Johnny Mnemonic and The Matrix makes it interesting.

[Savy]

Clearly these are brilliant, especially when drunk they are a lovely tasty snack and you're not going to want to eat loads of them. Question is what other things would you put them on? The juice is a lovely addition to a sandwich.

I assume you get them all over but for anyone who doesn't know they are just picked chillis, salty and vinegary (a word?) with a nice mild heat.

[oskar]

I'm ok with pickled chilis on pizza or in sandwiches, but I'm never super excited about them. I don't think I could physically get drunk enough to enjoy them on their own out of a styrofoam tray.

[OngBonga]

No thanks. I like my chillis unpickled.

[Savy]

I'm ok with pickled chilis on pizza or in sandwiches, but I'm never super excited about them. I don't think I could physically get drunk enough to enjoy them on their own out of a styrofoam tray.

The above picture is overkill, what you do when drunk and going to a chippy you get them to chuck 2-3 on whatever it is you're ordering.

[Savy]

Why did no one tell me that Norm Macdonald is great?

[Savy]

No one watching wrestling on here anymore? I know spoon used to. It's actually pretty great if you watch it on demand and just skip through all the shit bits.

When I was a kid and wrestling was popular I was never into that many of the female wrestlers. They were always a bit too fake*. Now most of them are hot as fuck and are actually doing impressive shit in the ring.

*There are exception, Keibler was an is arguably the hottest woman ever in WWE and people like Lita were hot and also way above their time but most of it was bullshit.

[Jack Sawyer]

[MadMojoMonkey]

I made it to 2:24.

Share your times!

[Jack Sawyer]

8:40

[OngBonga]

Did anyone see that tower block in London that got totally gutted by fire, which was burning for over 24 hours? Nope, it hasn't collapsed.

I've been in Brighton for a week, avoiding internet. I only read about that today, while passing through Kensington. I looked out of the coach window and can see the remains of the tower. That was weird, looking at a bulding thinking "there's 50-odd bodies in there", especially since I had just read about it. And to think at 4.30am I was smoking a spliff on the beach, blissfully unaware of such trauma.

Nasty stuff. If you live in a high rise with cladding on the outside to improve its appearance, seriously consider moving out asap.

[Jack Sawyer]

Nope, it hasn't collapsed.

I see what you did there



London has been hit with a lot of shit lately for some reason

[Jack Sawyer]

Imagine, if you would, how absolutely giddy you'd be if you won a $43 million jackpot while playing a casino slot machine. You could burn a lot of bridges with that amount of cash.

Then imagine the opposite feeling you'd get when the casino tells you there was a "malfunction" and you're not getting that jackpot, even though the slot machine lit up and said it was "printing cash ticket $42,949,672.76."

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...e-malfunction/

[BananaStand]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...e-malfunction/

I feel like I've heard this same story a hundred times. If the thing says "max payout" somewhere, then you don't get to cry foul when the machine OBVIOUSLY fucks up and tries to pay out something higher than the max.

Sure it's an emotional roller coaster for the person who believes they won, but so what? I fucking hate that we live in this world where anyone who experiences disappointment is suddenly owed something

[MadMojoMonkey]

Sure it's an emotional roller coaster for the person who believes they won, but so what? I fucking hate that we live in this world where anyone who experiences disappointment is suddenly owed something

Yep.

Lady got a free steak dinner for noticing a malfunction, and she's pissed about it.


Furthermore: what casino rec. doesn't know the max payout on the machine they're playing?

[BananaStand]

I wanna know what lawyer took up her case to sue the casino

[OngBonga]

London has been hit with a lot of shit lately for some reason

This is worse than terrorism. There really is no excuse for this. Terrorism is not something you can really mitigate for, not entirely. Terrorism brings out the defiant community attitude of the British people. This is different. This flat out should not happen. No fire alarms, no sprinklers, only one fire escape (internal), and cladding which is a known fire risk. All of this in the wealthiest borough in the UK. This brutally exposes the wealth divide in London. The people who live here are poor, yet so wealthy are neighbouring districts the average for the borough is skewed to ridiculous levels.

£3m was spent in 2015 making the building look nicer, increasing the value of nearby properties, and increasing the fire risk in doing so. That nobody thought to suggest that at least some money should be spent on improving fire defences is beyond an oversight. This is criminal negligence and people will go to jail for this.

There will also be kneejerk laws that should've been put in place long ago, like insisting tower blocks have sprinklers and fire alarms.

[OngBonga]

I wanna know what lawyer took up her case to sue the casino

They'll get paid, won't they?

The Casino should pay up $6500, instead of $2.25 and a steak dinner. They certainly don't owe $42m, because the maximum payout is stated at $6500, so it is not breach of contract. Precedent is clear here.

And I wouldn't imagine they are legally obliged to payout the machine maximum, however, it would be good press for them if they did, and $6500 is fuck all to them. It's not insignificant to the woman. Obviously it's not $42m territory, but after she takes (competent) legal advice, she surely accepts the token gesture of the machine jackpot and is happy about it.

Casino are missing a PR trick here.

[OngBonga]

Unsurprisingly, a lot of the comments are in agreement about paying out $6500.

That's like one advert on TV or something. Fuck all.

[BananaStand]

And I wouldn't imagine they are legally obliged to payout the machine maximum, however, it would be good press for them if they did, and $6500 is fuck all to them.

I doubt seriously they are legally obliged to pay anything. I'm sure it's written somewhere "we don't have to pay shit if the machine is broken"

Paying her $6500 also seems like nothing but downside for the casino. I don't see much PR upside. I don't think the public has a whole lot of sympathy for someone who goes to a casino and loses money.

On the other hand, there are cheaters in this world doing all they can to beat slot machines and make it *look* legitimate. If you set the precedent that all they have to do is make it look like the machine is broken and they get a max payout.....you're just inviting trouble.

[BananaStand]

So this Mayweather-McGregor fight is gonna happen. I don't really follow either sport, but I'm definitely gonna watch.

When history looks back, they will probably say that this was the END of professional boxing. It's not often you get to witness the death of an entire sport.

[OngBonga]

I doubt seriously they are legally obliged to pay anything. I'm sure it's written somewhere "we don't have to pay shit if the machine is broken"

Paying her $6500 also seems like nothing but downside for the casino. I don't see much PR upside. I don't think the public has a whole lot of sympathy for someone who goes to a casino and loses money.

On the other hand, there are cheaters in this world doing all they can to beat slot machines and make it *look* legitimate. If you set the precedent that all they have to do is make it look like the machine is broken and they get a max payout.....you're just inviting trouble.

Well they themselves say this kind of thing is "rare". How rare? It's good PR because it provides another incentive for someone to play on it. $6500 is hardly going to touch its overall revenue, assuming it really is rare.

I get the point about setting a precedent and creative incentives for people to make it look like the machine is faulty, but in this case it is faulty, the casino admit so much. The claims the woman makes are not disputed, not as far as I can tell. It creates no such incentive, but it might get people playing it in the hope it is actually faulty.

Yeah, pay her. Who fucking cares what precedent it sets, just ensure she signs a disclaimer stating that this is a gesture of goodwill and not an admission of liability blah blah blah and everyone's a winner. It's the cost of a single advert or whatever. It's worth it to make the casino look like they're not a bunch of cunts who just want your money at all costs.

[OngBonga]

It's worth it to make the casino look like they're not a bunch of cunts who just want your money at all costs.

(even though everyone with any shred of intelligence know they are)

[BananaStand]

I get the point about setting a precedent and creative incentives for people to make it look like the machine is faulty, but in this case it is faulty, the casino admit so much.

But how did it get faulty? If you can't answer that definitively, then how do you know it wasn't fault-ified on purpose?

I dont' really know what goes into cheating a slot machine, but I have to believe that faking a broken machine is TONS AND TONS easier than faking on that is both functional AND wins.

[BananaStand]

I remember a while back I was accused of some trolling regarding my opinion on airlines. I was saying that it should be more like riding the bus. If you can't sit still for five hours, stay the fuck home. There's nothing an airline can offer a passenger that's more important than a low price. So an emphasis on service and comfort takes the Airline's bottom line in the wrong direction.

More simply, people need to shut the fuck up about the level of service on an airplane, because the market says that people aren't willing to pay for something better.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news...HUF?li=BBnb7Kz

Basic Economy has proven to be unexpectedly popular. United Airlines CFO Andrew Levy said this week that 30% to 40% of the airline's economy class passengers have gone the basic route,

So people were given a choice. You can get a higher level of service - with more flexibility and more amenities -, or you can save twenty bucks. And shitloads of people are taking the twenty bucks.

[OngBonga]

But how did it get faulty? If you can't answer that definitively, then how do you know it wasn't fault-ified on purpose?

I dunno but I would assume these things keep logs, the casino will be regulated and subject to audits and the like. The casino should be able to tell if the machine was tampered with, there should be corrupt code or something. It's all gibberish to me but I assume they can tell why the machine did what it did, because they fixed it within a day.

They acknowledge the machine made an error. That's the same as the casino accepting she did nothing wrong. I would say the casino should only pay out if they know for certain the machine is faulty, and can identify why, or at the very least eliminate cheating.

In doing so, they protect their reputation from unreliable machines. I kinda feel for the casino, because it's not their fault. They merely provide the arena for people to gamble, they don't design the machines. But considering how little the jackpot is to them, it seems like they're digging their heels in when they could make their casino stand out from others. How much will it cost them to honour these kind of situations? Naturally there's a limit, but they use the word "rare". Well, how rare?

[OngBonga]

I dont' really know what goes into cheating a slot machine, but I have to believe that faking a broken machine is TONS AND TONS easier than faking on that is both functional AND wins.

If it uses a random number generator, then the same number coupled with the same user actions should result the same outcome. If the logs indicate that a different outcome resulted from the actions of the user, there is cause for doubt. If the outcomes match, then the machine is faulty.

I'm not sure if they use rng's or work on the basis of collecting money before it will pay out the jackpot, ie the chances are zero until it's covered its liabilities. I would hope regulations prevent this, so a random number must be used, paired with insurance to protect them from sick variance. So there should be logs, and the means to check outcomes.

They should be able to tell. If they can't, well fair enough, fuck the claimant. It's not worth the good press if it makes it too easy for them to be blagged.

[The Bean Counter]

More simply, people need to shut the fuck up about the level of service on an airplane, because the market says that people aren't willing to pay for something .

I remember reading that Ryanair was the least complained about airline in the UK, despite being the epitome of the herding customers like cattle. The point was that Ryanair is up front about the flight not being about luxury and purely about getting you from A to B cheaply. The most complained about was British Airways, which always traditionally tried to sell the brand as being a cut above in quality.

I'm sure regular business flyers don't take the same approach to cost though. Then it does become about the quality within reason, which again is another area where BA really fucked up for a good few years.

[Savy]

If it uses a random number generator, then the same number coupled with the same user actions should result the same outcome. If the logs indicate that a different outcome resulted from the actions of the user, there is cause for doubt. If the outcomes match, then the machine is faulty.

I'm not sure if they use rng's or work on the basis of collecting money before it will pay out the jackpot, ie the chances are zero until it's covered its liabilities. I would hope regulations prevent this, so a random number must be used, paired with insurance to protect them from sick variance. So there should be logs, and the means to check outcomes.

They should be able to tell. If they can't, well fair enough, fuck the claimant. It's not worth the good press if it makes it too easy for them to be blagged.

Machines are really easy to fuck with and they don't like paper trails showing this because the people who are doing the rigging are the casinos.

[Jack Sawyer]

I remember a while back I was accused of some trolling regarding my opinion on airlines. I was saying that it should be more like riding the bus. If you can't sit still for five hours, stay the fuck home. There's nothing an airline can offer a passenger that's more important than a low price. So an emphasis on service and comfort takes the Airline's bottom line in the wrong direction.

More simply, people need to shut the fuck up about the level of service on an airplane, because the market says that people aren't willing to pay for something better.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news...HUF?li=BBnb7Kz



So people were given a choice. You can get a higher level of service - with more flexibility and more amenities -, or you can save twenty bucks. And shitloads of people are taking the twenty bucks.

I'm forced to take the legroom on any flight I'm on. It's so bad that I have to sit at the emergency exits by default

If the possibility exists for me to pay $20 extra to get more legroom, I am forced to do so.

[Jack Sawyer]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...e-malfunction/

Not paying the 6500 max when they could will probably end up being a very costly mistake, but I'm sure the lawyers will end up with all the cash. O/U is probably at 100K, I take the over

[Jack Sawyer]

This is worse than terrorism. There really is no excuse for this. Terrorism is not something you can really mitigate for, not entirely. Terrorism brings out the defiant community attitude of the British people. This is different. This flat out should not happen. No fire alarms, no sprinklers, only one fire escape (internal), and cladding which is a known fire risk. All of this in the wealthiest borough in the UK. This brutally exposes the wealth divide in London. The people who live here are poor, yet so wealthy are neighbouring districts the average for the borough is skewed to ridiculous levels.

£3m was spent in 2015 making the building look nicer, increasing the value of nearby properties, and increasing the fire risk in doing so. That nobody thought to suggest that at least some money should be spent on improving fire defences is beyond an oversight. This is criminal negligence and people will go to jail for this.

There will also be kneejerk laws that should've been put in place long ago, like insisting tower blocks have sprinklers and fire alarms.

The concept of living in a high rise is so foreign to me, being from a sparsely populated caribbean island and all

However, it seems that there is only bad news coming out of london lately; on a truly negative roll there

[a500lbgorilla]

Nope, it hasn't collapsed.

8-)

[Jack Sawyer]

Amazon. Oh amazon.

Buying wholefoods?

https://gizmodo.com/conflicts-for-tr...hol-1796210282

Blocking comparison shopping?

https://gizmodo.com/just-in-time-ama...ris-1796195563



I love you amazon, we have a great run. But c'mon.

[OngBonga]

White guy drives van into Muslims outside mosque in London.

Oh dear.