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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Why? Why is it a serious problem to deal with? Isn't a slightly warmer climate more suitable for human life anyway? Longer growing seasons, people leave their house more, etc etc etc.

    I guess there will be less real estate at sea level, but people can move.
    Because it's not the humans (with our ability to climate control the inside of buildings, i.e. our own environments) which are threatened by the rapid change.

    In general, I don't see the direct impact on humans as a real problem. We live in literally every climate on Earth from tropical rain forests to the icy desert of Antarctica. Climate doesn't slow us down in that regard.

    The changes will be in mass extinction of oceanic life and migration / extinction of many land-based flora and fauna.

    Eventually, survivors will adapt and speciate into new animals, but that is a slow process, and the expected extinctions will take hundreds of thousands of years to recover from, in terms of biological mass and diversity.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Also, in regards to dealing with this serious problem..
    A) What good is done if America passes all kinds of strict regulations on businesses designed to lessen their CC impact, but at the same time Russia, China, Mexico, and other industrialized nations do nothing? Wouldn't that just put US companies at a disadvantage for no reason? What purpose is served by that?
    Whatever good would be, if you aren't considering it along with the bad, then your conclusions will be biased.

    ... for no reason? Whatever the answer(s) is/are to your first question provide the reason.
    Whether or not action is taken, there will be severe outcomes. No decisions made on this scale would "just" do anything. They will have vast and nuanced consequences, some of which will be dramatic for at least some people. Nothing which happens will be "for no reason" when we're talking national policies.

    The purposes served would be many and varied, some pleasant, and some not so much.

    (I feel like you are the student who comes to my office telling me they don't understand the homework, and when I ask them to show me what they have so far, they say, "I don't have anything." Well... come back when you know what you're confused about. I'll gladly explain to you what you don't understand, but if you're not even trying to understand, well... I can't learn for you.)

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    B) I read somewhere that at the current rate of population growth, by the year 2600, there will be so many humans on earth that we would all have to stand upright, shoulder to shoulder, in order to all fit on land. Isn't it more likely that one of the other many, many, many, many consequences of overpopulation will force these 'intrusive changes to Earth culture', long before climate change does?
    There are countless examples of human societies which go through booms and leveling off periods.
    There are 0 examples of human populations experiencing unmitigated exponential growth.

    Exponential growth happens when the resources are rich for the current population. When the population grows to consume the resources, then the growth rate slows or stops, sometimes bouncing up and down in cycles (think grasshopper / locust swarms). FYI Grasshoppers and locusts are the same species. When the resources are rich enough, the population changes form. Individuals dramatically increase in size and the population booms exponentially. Eventually, the swarm exhausts the resources in its immediate area and has to move. Sooner or later, the resources run out and the population experiences a dramatic reduction in numbers, and the newborn insects will not morph into the large size of locusts.

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    Exponential growth is not the only expected behavior for a population over "long" time frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    The changes will be in mass extinction of oceanic life and migration / extinction of many land-based flora and fauna.
    Sounds like you're saying there are no consequences to climate change at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    (I feel like you are the student who comes to my office telling me they don't understand the homework,
    God I hope that student punched you in the face.

    Ok Professor Fudgeknot, I'll rephrase the question. Would it be a practical application of government to pursue an agenda of taxes and regulations designed to reverse climate change? Does it matter that other governments won't also participate, therefore undermining your efforts in the first place?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Exponential growth is not the only expected behavior for a population over "long" time frames.
    No shit Sherlock. But your long-winded, dick-toned, soliloquy about the likelihood of exponential population growth doesn't answer the question.

    Of course I don't expect we'll ever see a day where people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying not to fall into the ocean. I expect something will slow or reverse population growth before that. Whatever that change is, it will have a corresponding change on climate if in fact, human population is the cause of climate change.

    So my point is, why do anything about climate change as long as population is growing? When population growth stops, so will climate change, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    God I hope that student punched you in the face.
    You want me to come to physical harm for refusing to offer a student the illusion of education rather than actually educating them?

    more to the point:
    You want me to come to harm over some words you read on the internet?

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Ok Professor Fudgeknot, I'll rephrase the question.
    You're upset with me for answering what you asked w/o personal interpretation, yet somehow I deserve insult over your poor wording?

    Don't bother re-phrasing. I see no evidence that you are interested in an adult conversation.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No shit Sherlock. But your long-winded, dick-toned, soliloquy about the likelihood of exponential population growth doesn't answer the question.
    The hypocrisy to call what I wrote those condescending things, while it is you, and not I, who uses condescending language is more than I care to humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    You want me to come to physical harm
    "Physical harm" is such a loaded term. Your offenses are not particularly egregious, but certainly deserving of temporary punitive physical discomfort.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    for refusing to offer a student the illusion of education rather than actually educating them?
    If you were actually educating him, don't you think he'd understand more than 0% of his homework?

    Ever consider that your students' griping might be a reflection on YOU?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    You want me to come to harm over some words you read on the internet?
    YOUR words, reflective of YOUR attitude.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    You're upset with me for answering what you asked
    You did not answer what I asked. That's the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    yet somehow I deserve insult over your poor wording?
    The wording was fine, you understood the question. You chose to split hairs over wording, just to be a dick.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I see no evidence that you are interested in an adult conversation.
    Is your definition of "adult conversation" one where you talk to everyone like they are children?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    The hypocrisy to call what I wrote those condescending things, while it is you, and not I, who uses condescending language is more than I care to humor.
    Me: If exponential population growth is unsustainable, won't that fix climate change?
    You: Rather than answer the question, let me tell you why exponential population growth is unsustainable

    The only hypocrisy I see is that you call yourself an educator.
    Last edited by BananaStand; 04-03-2017 at 03:44 PM.

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