**** Elections thread *****

[wufwugy]

But what the fuck are you saying? It's OK to be lazy if you are born rich, but not if you are poor?

I don't think that you think that's what I said.

[Jack Sawyer]

I don't think that you think that's what I said.

Which is why I asked you what the fuck you were saying.

So, what were you saying?

[wufwugy]

Which is why I asked you what the fuck you were saying.

So, what were you saying?

That paying somebody to be unproductive is a bad idea.

[OngBonga]

That paying somebody to be unproductive is a bad idea.

Ok, let me go over old ground with you, because you're not emotional when it comes to these things.

What do you think would happen if unemployment benefits ceased to exist? Do you think it would result in a net gain, or net loss, for the taxpayer?

I make the assumption that most long term unemployed people are so for a reason... I call it unemployability. They can't hold down jobs, maybe because they're useless, stupid, untrustworthy, or unable to work with other people, amongst other reasons. These people still need to eat, they still need shelter. If society does not provide this, what happens?

[BananaStand]

These people still need to eat, they still need shelter. If society does not provide this, what happens?

They can go find a society that does......in Europe

[OngBonga]

They can go find a society that does......in Europe

lol dumb emotion

[wufwugy]

Ok, let me go over old ground with you, because you're not emotional when it comes to these things.

What do you think would happen if unemployment benefits ceased to exist? Do you think it would result in a net gain, or net loss, for the taxpayer?

I make the assumption that most long term unemployed people are so for a reason... I call it unemployability. They can't hold down jobs, maybe because they're useless, stupid, untrustworthy, or unable to work with other people, amongst other reasons. These people still need to eat, they still need shelter. If society does not provide this, what happens?

If we assume all the unemployed are unemployable, you would be right. What we have seen with regards to how employment changes based on recessions and labor reforms, by large majority, most of the unemployed when the rate is not very low are not unemployable.

[OngBonga]

If we assume all the unemployed are unemployable, you would be right. What we have seen with regards to how employment changes based on recessions and labor reforms, by large majority, most of the unemployed when the rate is not very low are not unemployable.

This is why I draw a distinction between "unemployed" and "long term unemployed". Most unemployed people are employable, also most unemployed people want a job. I'm talking about the minority who have no intention of working.

I think even banana is happy with a benefit that keeps people afloat between jobs. The "safety net".

[wufwugy]

This is why I draw a distinction between "unemployed" and "long term unemployed". Most unemployed people are employable, also most unemployed people want a job. I'm talking about the minority who have no intention of working.

Most of those are people like stay-at-home moms with children and disabled. Most that don't have jobs because they get enough welfare to be happy enough to not work would work if they didn't get the welfare.

I think even banana is happy with a benefit that keeps people afloat between jobs. The "safety net".

One of the main reasons for difficulty in-between jobs is the existence of the safety net in the first place. It disincentivizes savings and other smart behavior. Unemployment insurance is a good thing when the policyholder pays for it.