**** Elections thread *****

[OngBonga]

Says you. Here in the real world it really is a problem.

It's only such a problem to you because you allow yourself to be consumed by contempt for those who refuse to work.

You're failing to account for the contribution you would make to the economy as a working citizen.

You're making the asusmption that I have an obligation to contribute to society. I don't, no more than I am obliged to bet when I have +ev.

...and by spending your money in an economy full of other taxpaying citizens.

You go further. Not only am I obliged to work to pay tax, I am also obliged to consume.

Do you not see the problem here? In your world, a baby is a future taxpayer and consumer. That's a very bleak world, one in which I don't want to live.

In America, almost 70% of kids born into the bottom 20% ascend out of that quintile.

That means over 30% don't. And by what standard is this statistic measured? What does "out of that quintile" mean? Working for minimum wage?

Bitches do that to men that they want to support them all the time, not government though. Men are easier targets, and generally provide more money than a government benefit program.

I think this is a culture class. I am certain that in my town alone, there are lots of people who have children as a career choice.

Show me the number then

-74.5623

I mean what do you really want from me? Who do you suppose is conducting polls around the streets of Britian, asking women with pushchairs if they had kids just so they could claim benefits? Watch Jeremy Kyle, that will give you an idea of the kind of people in the UK that are living on benefits.

[BananaStand]

It's only such a problem to you because you allow yourself to be consumed by contempt for those who refuse to work

Contempt for those who take without deserving it, thus diminishing the amount of benefits payable to those who DO deserve it, is natural.

Do you have contempt for able-bodied people who park in handicap spaces just to avoid a longer walk to the door? That's exactly what you're doing, and it's an asshole move.

You're making the asusmption that I have an obligation to contribute to society. I don't, no more than I am obliged to bet when I have +ev.

It's sad that you think that way. Really sad. But truly, how do you not feel you have an obligation? Public schools teach people to read and write. Police departments keep people from breaking into your house at night and butt-raping you. Intelligence agencies keep you from being blown up by terrorists. Armies keep you from being invaded and enslaved. Your life would be drastically different if there were no streets, power lines, or sewers.

None of those things exist without a government for the people, of the people, and by the people. What makes you exempt from participation?

You go further. Not only am I obliged to work to pay tax, I am also obliged to consume..

You're not obliged to do anything. I merely assumed you would consume. Do you like food? Clothing? Electricity? Internet access? By all means, if you'd rather starve naked in the dark, than spend your hard-earned paycheck, be my guest.

Do you not see the problem here? In your world, a baby is a future taxpayer and consumer.

How is it that babies grow into people only in "my world". What happens to babies in 'your world'?

That's a very bleak world, one in which I don't want to live.

I don't want to live in your world where babies stay the same age forever. That place sounds seriously fucked up.

That means over 30% don't.

Ever consider what's keeping them down? The three biggest predictors of poverty are 1) dropping out of high school, 2) having a baby out of wedlock, and 3) having a baby before age 21. Which begs the question....how are these people getting the idea that having a baby is a way to make money. It's most obviously a way to get poor.

And by what standard is this statistic measured? What does "out of that quintile" mean? Working for minimum wage?

It means they ascend out of the bottom 20%. What's hard to understand here?

I mean what do you really want from me? Who do you suppose is conducting polls around the streets of Britian, asking women with pushchairs if they had kids just so they could claim benefits?

If it's such a significant number, shouldn't there be data to support it? You think no one has ever conducted a survey asking "why did you have kids?".

https://wehavekids.com/misc/Most-Com...-Want-Children

There's ten common reasons.....none of them are "paycheck"

[Savy]

Ever consider what's keeping them down? The three biggest predictors of poverty are 1) dropping out of high school, 2) having a baby out of wedlock, and 3) having a baby before age 21. Which begs the question....how are these people getting the idea that having a baby is a way to make money. It's most obviously a way to get poor.

You're confusing things here. No one is having a baby to get rich (well bar those that trick rich people into having a kid with them) it's so they get a level of support above that which they would otherwise get in the same situation without a child. That can still very easily be below the poverty line.