**** Elections thread *****

[BananaStand]

Because having a healthy population is in your best interest.

Are we unhealthy now? You keep talking about how great thing are in other countries, but that's definitive bullshit. 52 of the top 100, and 8 of the top 10 hospitals in the world are American. Socialized medicine is fucking great if you have a simple problem like a broken leg. But if you get a serious disease that require a complex treatment plan, you had better hope to fucking god you're not currently in Europe.

Societies where people die in the streets, because the citizens can't afford health care of all things, aren't known as great countries.

Which street are you talking about? People aren't dying in the streets. you made that up

A healthy populace also contributes to the national defense, if everyone is overweight, and obese, and has diabetes, we're in a precarious position to fight WWIII, unlike WWII.

Drones do the bulk of the fighting now. Fat guys can drive drones

What do you propose?

I liked the system we had. Work, earn, buy insurance. That worked fine for me. And for those that can't earn...tehre's medicare.

If that's insufficient, it's because medicare wastes too much money. 60% of their spending goes to treat condition that end up killing people anyway. My own grandfather got 7-bypass heart surgery and medicare paid. Doctors gave him 10 years to live after that. That was in the early 90's, more than 20 years ago. He's still alive.

Yet for those 20 years, he didn't exercise, eat right, or take care of himself anywhere close to as well as he should have. And three years ago, he needed surgery again. Medicare put up six figures to help this guy squeeze out a few more years.

To me, that's bullshit. He already got one bite at the apple. Medicare should have let him die.

There's other things that can be done. 87% of illegal immigrant households are using medicaid, that's not awesome.

Also, the government seems to be paying for benefits to people like Jimmy, who are totally capable of earning their own way.

Jimmy - you still havent' answered savy's question. Why should people pay for your healthcare. A better question, is why can't you pay for it yourself.

Nothing youve posted demonstrates a shred of personal responsibility. You don't see a problem with that?