**** Elections thread *****

[OngBonga]

If you want to be the kind of guy who thinks that working "isn't worth the effort", and that Sam Walton owes you a living, well then Europe is definitely the place for you.

Or, to put that another way... fuck off and be someone else's problem.

I agree with you when you point out he's moaning, I mean yeah if you choose to remove yourself from the workforce, then you choose a life of relative poverty. I made that choice, and you won't hear me complaining about having fuck all.

However, your solution for him to go to Europe, this is absurd. Why does Europe owe him anything? He wasn't even born there, he's American (whether you like it or not). We can argue about whether the state owes a living to those who reject the system all day long. It is my belief that if you value security and low crime, and an efficient economy, then you should value social security, which stops morons from robbing people to survive, and also keeps those same morons out of the work force where they might be less productive than their salary is worth.

The idea that people should just "get a fucking job" is ignorant to the fact that not everyone is cut out for the ruthless capitalist world in which we're shat out, and it's ignorant to the negative impact that forcing people into work can have on a business. I'd rather employ people who want to be employed by my company, people who want to work. I wouldn't want to employ someone who can't be arsed, I'd sooner my tax dollars chip in towards keeping the fucker idle. Or, someone else can employ him... the old "not my problem" attitude which you seem so fond of.

[a500lbgorilla]

People are angry and short-sighted.

More at 11.

[Poopadoop]

Personally I like the idea that my tax dollars are going to supporting someone who wants to spend his time smoking spliffs and inventing his own branch of theoretical physics. Good thing I live in Europe I guess.

Bad thing is we don't get Fox News here so we never get a fair and balanced view of the world.

[BananaStand]

Or, to put that another way... fuck off and be someone else's problem.

Yeah, what's wrong with that? Seems every week I hear another story about how some European country is giving more free shit to their citizens. Minimum incomes, free college, you name it. Seems to me that the countries WANT more adult babies to take care of. That's how they get votes.

However, your solution for him to go to Europe, this is absurd. Why does Europe owe him anything?

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Are you saying it's wrong for a foreign person to immigrate to a country because it provides better social benefits? What a novel idea??

It is my belief that if you value security and low crime, and an efficient economy, then you should value social security, which stops morons from robbing people to survive,

This is somewhat silly. The idea that we have to pay people to not commit crimes is not a world I want to live in. I'd rather they rob, get caught, and sent to jail.

and also keeps those same morons out of the work force where they might be less productive than their salary is worth.

I reject this argument as long as there exists something called unskilled labor. No one is so bad at a job like that where it becomes cheaper to pay them to stay home.

The idea that people should just "get a fucking job" is ignorant to the fact that not everyone is cut out for the ruthless capitalist world in which we're shat out,

"ruthless" is a pretty strong word don't you think? I don't think it's ruthless to expect an able bodied adult to be able to put in a days work. Why should we respect an able bodied man who doesn't? Why does he deserve a handout? Wouldn't society be better served feeding that guy a big old slice of reality? I say he gets the shaft, and his share societies benefits can be redistributed among people who are truly disadvantaged or disabled.

and it's ignorant to the negative impact that forcing people into work can have on a business.

Non-existent. Again, there are plenty of jobs that are nearly un-fuck-up-able. There's no way an able bodied, able-minded adult could diminish productivity so badly that it becomes cheaper to pay him to stay home.

I'd rather employ people who want to be employed by my company, people who want to work.

It won't be hard finding people who want to work if the guiding principle is 'work or starve'. Right now it's 'work, if you feel like it. If not, don't. Nothing bad will happen do you'.

If that's the dynamic you want, then tell me how are you going to prevent a 'race to the bottom'? How are you going to motivate people to work, when you reward the people who do the least?