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 Originally Posted by oskar
"If there is no god there is no good and evil"
It would probably be better phrased as "without an unprovable premise from which good and evil is derived, there is no good and evil." Just like you can have good and evil with the Christian god, you can have it with humanism if your humanism says "humans are special and have special objective rules even though we can't prove it..."
I think the more interesting point is that it seems to be that when societies lose the idea of an unproven objective morality, they start getting messy (and ultimately collapse). I'm okay with this idea. It makes sense to me that in order to keep civilization intact, humans have to be kept in order somehow. It can be the case that if humans are left to their rationalist devices, we're actually not that good at it and things unravel. It can be the case that to thrive, humans need a set of basic rules.
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