**** Elections thread *****

[Jack Sawyer]

Yep.

And ISIS is a renaissance. The caliphate goes back to Muhammad.

Religious extremism is one of the main problems yes, not only Isis.


Terrorism needs weapons. Weapon manufacturers need customers. Wars need both.


Ever seen “Lord of War”?

[wufwugy]

Religious extremism is one of the main problems yes, not only Isis.


Terrorism needs weapons. Weapon manufacturers need customers. Wars need both.


Ever seen “Lord of War”?

Good movie.

You're right as long as we're talking contributions. As long as we're talking cause, it's different. Tons of places and people have tons of weaponry and don't use them for murder, rape, and enslavement. Islamism does. The cause is Islamism.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Good movie.

You're right as long as we're talking contributions. As long as we're talking cause, it's different. Tons of places and people have tons of weaponry and don't use them for murder, rape, and enslavement. Islamism does. The cause is Islamism.

You're wrong in that isn't the whole story; you pick and choose which parts of it favor your narrative.

It's as though you don't believe there is such a thing as Muslim police. It's as though you believe that if a billion people wanted to invade you, they'd be stopped by anything short of all out war. It's as though you believe that Muslim nations don't have their own international economic and security concerns which are shit-canned by terrorist activity. It's as though you believe that all the various Muslim extremist groups have the same agenda.

It's as though you don't believe there are Christian extremists and Jewish extremists which cite their own religious scriptures as justification of violence.

It's not cool.

[wufwugy]

You're wrong in that isn't the whole story; you pick and choose which parts of it favor your narrative.

It's as though you don't believe there is such a thing as Muslim police. It's as though you believe that if a billion people wanted to invade you, they'd be stopped by anything short of all out war. It's as though you believe that Muslim nations don't have their own international economic and security concerns which are shit-canned by terrorist activity. It's as though you believe that all the various Muslim extremist groups have the same agenda.

It's as though you don't believe there are Christian extremists and Jewish extremists which cite their own religious scriptures as justification of violence.

It's not cool.

You're talking about something very different than I am.

[MadMojoMonkey]

You're talking about something very different than I am.

No.
You're choosing your words to include all Islamic terrorists under one banner, and to blame the Islamic scripture as the cause.

You're choosing your words to paint a picture where only non-Muslims are fighting these militants.

You're choosing your words to vilify people who are on your side.


If I'm talking about something different, it's only due to your poorly chosen words.
I believe you know this, and continue to choose those words. Your choice to add insult and ignorance to your position is not my fault.

[BananaStand]

No.
You're choosing your words to include all Islamic terrorists under one banner, and to blame the Islamic scripture as the cause.

You're choosing your words to paint a picture where only non-Muslims are fighting these militants.

You're choosing your words to vilify people who are on your side.

I don't think you're entirely wrong here. But you're a long way from entirely right. I mean, ISIS didn't just sit around a bonfire one night brainstorming ideas to come up with this Caliphate. The notion of a world with one race, practicing one religion, under one set of laws, with no fucking compromises, is most definitely called out in Islamic scripture.

There are more than a few muslim-majority countries, including US allies, where 25%, 35%, even 50+% of the population believes that attacking civilian targets to influence political action is justified. Why do you think so many of them practice polygamy? Is it because they love little kids? No, their scripture tells them to reproduce more than the infidels with the goal of driving them to extinction, leaving only muslims. An attack doesn't necessarily require an explosion. The law-abiding, western-styled, peacefully living arab guy with 5 wives and 14 kids, in my opinion, is just as guilty of Jihad as a soldier with a gun.

I related a story in a post a while back about a priest who gave one ten minute sermon and got a whole town full of catholics to shut the fuck up about abortion for a few months. Why is it that a religion with 1.6 billion members can't keep itself from sprouting large branches of extremism?

There are billions of christians in the world too. Only a very small handful have ever shot up an abortion clinic. Christianity keeps its message consistent worldwide. Don't friggen kill people. Where is the voice of Islam? What are the peace-loving Muslims doing to maintain unity within their religion?

I recall people being outraged at that lady who held the 'draw muhammed' art contest. They were outraged because of the offense to Muslims. Though more specifically, I think the backlash was motivated considerably by fear of Muslim reprisal. We KNOW it pisses them off, and we know when they're pissed off, they kill people. So don't piss them off.

Yet I doubt very much they bothered to beef up security at the Nahem gallery after they displayed "Piss Christ"

See the difference?

[wufwugy]

No.
You're choosing your words to include all Islamic terrorists under one banner, and to blame the Islamic scripture as the cause.

I have claimed that Islamism is Islamism. This was response to the notion that Islamism is emergent from separatism. While some terrorism in the ME can be attributed to separatism and the like, most is Islamist. The idea that the West is causing the problems is such a dangerous idea because it downplays the root of the problem.

You're choosing your words to paint a picture where only non-Muslims are fighting these militants.

You're choosing your words to vilify people who are on your side.

Confirmation bias. I don't talk about generic Muslims much, and those who have suffered the most from ME terrorism and Islamists are Muslims.