**** Elections thread *****

[CoccoBill]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

[BananaStand]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

When you say "inherent qualities" it sounds like you're suggesting that they can't help themselves. Like they are genetically, or at least culturally, pre-disposed to crime. I would describe that as racist thinking.

I see black people as victims of their own culture. At least in my mind, that's a little bit different.

But as I said earlier, it would not surprise me if someone looks at my line of thinking and calls it "racist". And if that ends up being the communally accepted definition of racism. Then, I'm a racist.

[CoccoBill]

When you say "inherent qualities" it sounds like you're suggesting that they can't help themselves. Like they are genetically, or at least culturally, pre-disposed to crime. I would describe that as racist thinking.

I see black people as victims of their own culture. At least in my mind, that's a little bit different.

So saying they're culturally disposed to crime would be racist, but saying they're just victims of said culture isn't?

But as I said earlier, it would not surprise me if someone looks at my line of thinking and calls it "racist". And if that ends up being the communally accepted definition of racism. Then, I'm a racist.

What I find interesting is that you find the n-word to be a serious issue, but are completely ok being labeled a racist due to your thoughts.

[BananaStand]

What I find interesting is that you find the n-word to be a serious issue, .

Clearly you've misunderstood me. Not saying the n-word is merely common sense.

What I have a serious issue with is ignorance. Like someone saying "but Dr Dre says it, why can't I?"

[CoccoBill]

Clearly you've misunderstood me. Not saying the n-word is merely common sense.

What I have a serious issue with is ignorance. Like someone saying "but Dr Dre says it, why can't I?"

That's of course possible, but deeming someone an asshole just because they use a word in any context would qualify as a serious issue in my book.

[BananaStand]

That's of course possible, but deeming someone an asshole just because they use a word in any context would qualify as a serious issue in my book.

40,000 words in the english language, I've identified 1 that I think is radioactive.

Nobody's perfect I guess.

C'mon man, just go back re-read the discussion from today. There is no good reason for a non-black person to use that word. Either your'e saying purposefully to cause harm, or you're doing it out of some retarded sense of white-victimhood. Both are just wrong, and we're all better off if we just shut that shit out of the public discourse.

Only a complete ass hole would feel a need to hold on to any kind of 'right' to use that word.

[Poopadoop]

@Banana

You've oversimplified the issue into the word having a pejorative connotation when any white person uses it regardless of context.

I'm comfortable in using the word 'nigger' when discussing in what context saying 'nigger' is offensive. And since the majority would agree with me that it's not being used offensively when used in a meta-linguistic sense, then I see no reason not to use it.

I also don't have a problem with you not wanting to use it ever; that's your right.

Lastly, I'm indifferent to whether or not you or coco or any other individual thinks I should use it because no one person represents a consensus.

[BananaStand]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

If I were to give the same argument backwards in regards to asians....would that also be racist?

Asian people have extremely low out of wedlock birth and school drop out rates relative to their proportion of the population.

Is it racist to cite a strong family unit as an underlying cause of Asians' prosperity? If not, then doesn't it follow that a weakened family structure might be the underlying cause of another group's lack of prosperity?

[CoccoBill]

If I were to give the same argument backwards in regards to asians....would that also be racist?

Asian people have extremely low out of wedlock birth and school drop out rates relative to their proportion of the population.

Is it racist to cite a strong family unit as an underlying cause of Asians' prosperity? If not, then doesn't it follow that a weakened family structure might be the underlying cause of another group's lack of prosperity?

Citing statistics, if they're accurate, is neutral by default, but can of course also be done in a discriminatory way. The race in question makes absolutely no difference, at least to me.

[wufwugy]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

FWIW those types of things aren't inherent to being black but are descriptions regarding the demographic.