The end of the world as we know it

[Poopadoop]

Well I do believe such conspiracies exist successfully.

Do you really? A worldwide conspiracy involving dozens of unrelated and superficially (at least) disinterested parties are all conspiring to promote a lie using science?

I can see it if you say the government conspired to cover up who killed JFK or that they planned 9/11 etc. but this seems an order of magnitude beyond that just in terms of getting the right people on board.

[OngBonga]

Do you really? A worldwide conspiracy involving dozens of unrelated and superficially (at least) disinterested parties are all conspiring to promote a lie using science?

I can see it if you say the government conspired to cover up who killed JFK or that they planned 9/11 etc. but this seems an order of magnitude beyond that just in terms of getting the right people on board.

It's not a case of getting people on board, it's a case of convincing them that the lies are truth, and letting them do the rest.

I don't think for a minute that the scientific community are knowingly in on the conspiracy, they are a passive part of it. I doubt mojo will like my comments here, but it's something I seriously consider... that it all starts with a compromised education.

Only a very select elite are actually a part of any conspiracy that I have in mind. If it requires ordinary scientists to willingly lie to the public, I agree it's very unlikely indeed.

[Poopadoop]

It's not a case of getting people on board, it's a case of convincing them that the lies are truth, and letting them do the rest.

Well it's still asking a lot. Most scientists are trained to question what they're told and not take things at face value. If it was my field and I noticed everyone saying the wrong thing I'd be over the moon that I had a chance to prove everyone wrong. It's like a dream come true for a scientist.

If you're saying the scientists are somehow being fed the wrong data then it's hard to see how that is happening too, since they are the ones collecting the data in the first place. Or am I missing something?

[OngBonga]

Well it's still asking a lot. Most scientists are trained to question what they're told and not take things at face value. If it was my field and I noticed everyone saying the wrong thing I'd be over the moon that I had a chance to prove everyone wrong. It's like a dream come true for a scientist.

If you're saying the scientists are somehow being fed the wrong data then it's hard to see how that is happening too, since they are the ones collecting the data in the first place. Or am I missing something?

You're asking me questions I can't possibly know the answer to.

Honestly, I'm not nearly as set on climate change as I am 9/11. It's possible that warming is happening, but I'll always be convinced 9/11 was something other than what we're told.

At least with climate change, we will find out eventually if they're lying or not. They can't keep saying the sea is rising if it's not. And if it is... well, somewhere will go under sooner or later.