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    Economics is vast and diverse and across schools contradictory on even the approach, so I don't think you can really talk about economic facts in this day and age.

    Plus

    "One can distinguish the domain of economics from the domain of other social scientific inquiries either by specifying some set of causal factors or by specifying some range of phenomena. The phenomena with which economists are concerned are production, consumption, distribution and exchange—particularly via markets. But since so many different causal factors are relevant to these, from the laws of thermodynamics and metallurgy to accounts of geography and social norms, even the laws governing digestion, economics cannot be distinguished from other inquiries only by the phenomena it studies. "

    and

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    Lionel Robbins defined economics as “the science which studies human behavior as a relationship between ends and scarce means which have alternative uses” (1932, p. 15). According to Robbins, economics is not concerned with production, exchange, distribution, or consumption as such. It is instead concerned with an aspect of all human action. Although Robbins' definition helps one to understand efforts to apply economic concepts, models, and techniques to other subject matters such as the analysis of voting behavior and legislation, it seems evident that economics maintains its connection to a traditional domain."

    Facts about all human action are rare.

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    Policy makers look to economics to guide policy, and it seems inevitable that even the most esoteric issues in theoretical economics may bear on some people's material interests. The extent to which economics bears on and may be influenced by normative concerns raises methodological questions about the relationships between a positive science concerning “facts” and a normative inquiry into values and what ought to be. Most economists and methodologists believe that there is a reasonably clear distinction between facts and values, between what is and what ought to be, and they believe that most of economics should be regarded as a positive science that helps policy makers choose means to accomplish their ends, though it does not bear on the choice of ends itself.

    This view is questionable for several reasons (Mongin 2006, Hausman and McPherson 2006). First economists have to interpret and articulate the incomplete specifications of goals and constraints provided by policy makers (Machlup 1969b). Second, economic “science” is a human activity, and like all human activities, it is governed by values. Those values need not be the same as the values that influence economic policy, but it is debatable whether the values that govern the activity of economists can be sharply distinguished from the values that govern policy makers. Third, much of economics is built around a normative theory of rationality. One can question whether the values implicit in such theories are sharply distinguishable from the values that govern policies. For example, it may be difficult to hold a maximizing view of individual rationality, while at the same time insisting that social policy should resist maximizing growth, wealth, or welfare in the name of freedom, rights, or equality. Fourth, people's views of what is right and wrong are, as a matter of fact, influenced by their beliefs about how people in fact behave. There is evidence that studying theories that depict individuals as self-interested leads people to regard self-interested behavior more favorably and to become more self-interested (Marwell and Ames 1981, Frank et al. 1993). Finally, people's judgments are clouded by their interests. Since economic theories bear so centrally on people's interests, there are bound to be ideological biases at work in the discipline (Marx 1867, Preface). The current (2012) bitter polemics in macroeconomics testify to the influence of ideology."
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    LOL woops

    "Applying Popper's views on falsification literally would be destructive. Not only neoclassical economics, but all known economic theories would be condemned as unscientific, and there would be no way to discriminate among economic theories. One major problem general problem with a naive reading of Popper's views is that one cannot derive testable implications from theories by themselves. To derive testable implications, one also needs subsidiary assumptions concerning distributions, measurement devices, proxies for unmeasured variables, the absence of various interferences, and so forth. This is the so-called “Duhem-Quine problem” (Duhem 1906, Quine 1953, Cross 1982). These problems arise generally, and Popper proposes that they be solved by a methodological decision to regard a failure of the deduced testable implication to be a failure of the theory. But in economics the subsidiary assumptions are dubious and in many cases known to be false. Making the methodological decision that Popper requires is unreasonable and would lead one to reject all economic theories."

    This SEP article on Economics is great
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    Link? Those excerpts contain inaccuracies as well.

    Example of the factual wrongness in the quora article: "All these things do indeed liberalize trade but do so by making the lives of the majority of the population miserable."

    This is the most obvious example of presenting an incorrect fact, so I used it to anchor my comment. There are others that are less obvious, and a much greater deal of representations that show he doesn't know much economics.
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    Trump defeated a murderer's row of candidates. If Hillary was a Republican with standard Republican views, she would have done about as well as Jeb did.

    The only way she beats Donald is if the media gifts her the presidency like they gifted Donald the nomination. But they won't, because he's playing them spectacularly.
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    trump still winnin
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    He's a shameless marketing expert. He's pretty much the first one to even try presidential politics. I didn't think it would work, largely because I hoped it wouldn't work. It depresses me to see vindication of the argument that democracy stinks, even though it's an argument I make. I would like to think that clearer heads prevail and that those with power do not get there simply by convincing voters of false things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    He's a shameless marketing expert. He's pretty much the first one to even try presidential politics. I didn't think it would work, largely because I hoped it wouldn't work. It depresses me to see vindication of the argument that democracy stinks, even though it's an argument I make. I would like to think that clearer heads prevail and that those with power do not get there simply by convincing voters of false things.
    representative democracy is not democracy, tho democracy sucks and representative democracy doesn't suck when you have skin in the game aka when you actually have to meet qualifications to be able to work so you are voting based on long-term interest instead of short-term interest

    also stop with the hate crimes on trump MAGA
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    i cant seem to find evidence that's real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    i cant seem to find evidence that's real.
    @realdonaldtrump
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Link? Those excerpts contain inaccuracies as well.

    Example of the factual wrongness in the quora article: "All these things do indeed liberalize trade but do so by making the lives of the majority of the population miserable."

    This is the most obvious example of presenting an incorrect fact, so I used it to anchor my comment. There are others that are less obvious, and a much greater deal of representations that show he doesn't know much economics.

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/economics/

    I just finished reading it. Over half the page is citations.
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    Is the Hildawg collapsing? I'm surprised to see she lost West Virginia.
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    I'm pretty blown away that she's stomping among black and Hispanic demos yet he's this close to her. Dat labor/youth coalition doe.

    I get why labor likes Bernie. Labor lobbies for and requires government special treatment and they tend to know it. It's those outside of labor who tend to not know it, and instead think of labor as "pro-worker."

    What I don't get is why the youth likes Bernie. Is it just because the demo is egregiously ignorant about reality? I feel like that may be a poor characterization. Do they see somebody more open to alternative cultures or something? This would make some sense to me since I saw it real time in Ezra Klein a while back. He was interviewing Bernie and assumed he was pro-immigration the way the base left is today, and Bernie corrected him, alluding to how he's pretty anti-immigrant in lots of ways, and Ezra was sorta blown away. Even a guy who considers himself a top tier journalist doesn't know his history enough to know that there's nothing new about Sanders' ideals and that they've always revolved around protectionism.
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    Has Sanders been regularly beating Clinton in states where she polls ahead?
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    What I don't get is why the youth likes Bernie.
    Because they are lazy and entitled. It really is that simple.
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    When I was a Bernie supporter, I had legitimate reasons. I'm not a Bernie supporter anymore because I learned that his solutions are wrong.

    I see Bernie supporters viewing capitalism the same way Ong does: that it's fundamentally unfair and fundamentally favorable to the rich and powerful, and that government regulation elected by democracy is the only mechanism through which this can be mitigated. This doesn't strike me as entitled, but it is definitely wrong. It could be lazy though. It takes diligence to learn why wrong beliefs are wrong.
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    Is there any legal or tactical reason why Trump would respond with "I'm building a wall" instead of "because I'm building a wall?"



    Basically what's going on is Trump said a judge should recuse himself from a Trump case because he's Mexican. Every time Tapper asks him why his race matters, Trump says "I'm building a wall." They go over this like a dozen times, and Trump never explicitly claims that the judge is treating him unfairly because the judge is against Trump because Trump is building a wall, but he alludes to that every which way he can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Is there any legal or tactical reason why Trump would respond with "I'm building a wall" instead of "because I'm building a wall?"
    Two thoughts:

    1. "I'm building a wall" is more dominant.
    2. "Because I'm building a wall" makes a direct claim about the bullshit this unfair and biased judge is pulling while "I'm building a wall" does not.
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    Well, Trump is correct about the Mexican judge situation. Those saying he's being racist are playing identity politics, and his point was never that the judge couldn't perform his duties because of his race but that the judge has been treating him unfairly, which means it's worth looking for explanations, which reveals that it could be because of the judge's race and not liking Trump for reasons of race.

    We can't have it both ways. We can applaud Sotomayor when she said that her race informs her judgment then say a white person is wrong when he suggests race informs somebody's judgment.

    I like this development. Trump's response against the party for playing identity politics is a better response than I think even Cruz would have made. Race double standards are festering boils.
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    lol who gives a shit about trump u, he's winning
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    Trump being down in Connecticut by only 7 is crazy. Romney lost it by 18. This suggests Trump could win Pennsylvania.
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    trump is winning everything everywhere

    the longer this goes on, the larger his advantage gets against shillery no matter how much the clinton news network (CNN) tries to push it in the other direction

    10 feet higher cucks
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    i could see cnn eventually turning on hillary tbh
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    I think she needs to get Warren on the ticket. Picking some schmuck from Ohio in the hopes of clinching one swing state is not the play for this cycle. Oddly she actually needs a VP that will outshine her through November. Warren is the perfect attack dog. The ticket, through her, can go after everything Trump says, and despite being a fierce speaker, she remains sympathetic, so they get the woman card back in play-- Trump can attack Clinton with abandon and suffer no backlash, but people actually like Warren. Trump will roflstomp any male VP Clinton may go for. Further, Warren will bring the vast majority of Sanders supporters back into the fold.

    It may be a stretch, but maybe the establishment is on the fence about it, and Sanders is only staying in the race to pull the party left and make reunification only possible under a Clinton Warren ticket.
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    Id reluctantly show up and vote for Clinton if Warren was on the ticket.

    I wonder if Warren would do it though.
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    warren would easily be the best pick, but i seriously doubt she would accept. had she run for president she would have gotten the nomination. ain't no way she's gonna accept 2nd place while denying a 1st she could have had if she wanted.
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    Would've could've. Who knows what maneuvering Clinton pulled to convince her to stay on the sidelines. Hell, maybe she was threatened with the Native American college application thing, but the threat was truly Machiavellian... if she runs, the Clinton campaign uses it against her while she's front and center and will be decimated by it-- however, if she stands aside this time around, the dirt gets leaked mid news cycle between Trump mouth spew and Clinton indictment updates, it gets little traction, but enough to render it old news and nullify it come 2024, and on top of that the Clintons will throw their weight behind her in 2024. Her being VP actually makes this work even better-- she does a bang up job for eight years as VP and this college application nonsense is less than a nonissue.
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    warren aka pocahontas is a fucking joke lol
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    i lold

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    i find myself potentially coming around to maga.

    it's tough to because it's virtually impossible to find any trump supporters actually explain why they support him, but now that i dont have to defend titanium ted, i have been able to figure out some of the subtext around trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    i find myself potentially coming around to maga.

    it's tough to because it's virtually impossible to find any trump supporters actually explain why they support him, but now that i dont have to defend titanium ted, i have been able to figure out some of the subtext around trump.
    10 feet higher
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    the cuck meme is gonna take some getting use to. i wouldnt even call my enemies cuck. just too low of a blow.

    or maybe the point is to irritate people enough that they quit the cuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    the cuck meme is gonna take some getting use to. i wouldnt even call my enemies cuck. just too low of a blow.

    or maybe the point is to irritate people enough that they quit the cuck.
    the cuck meme is about selling out the culture and the country as an analogy

    based faggot milo imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE

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    immigrants screwing natives?
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    The cuck insult is a top notch fresh jab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    warren would easily be the best pick, but i seriously doubt she would accept. had she run for president she would have gotten the nomination. ain't no way she's gonna accept 2nd place while denying a 1st she could have had if she wanted.
    Warren would have lolcrushed this entire election season.

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    much lols

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    Looks like Trump has taken over reddit, especially since the_donald is the only big subreddit that isnt vigorously censoring the mass shooting in Orlando.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Looks like Trump has taken over reddit, especially since the_donald is the only big subreddit that isnt vigorously censoring the mass shooting in Orlando.

    Details on both claims? I guess I'm looking for something more substantive on the former, as it sounds interesting and a fact check on the latter as it sounds conspiratorial.
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    Reddit isn't a source for news; however, it is occasionally useful for accumulating sources that are news.

    With that said, r/news has a "megathread" up discussing the issue, and it would appear that over 75% of comments were deleted.
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    Who is deleting and why? Or do we just have our best guesses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Details on both claims? I guess I'm looking for something more substantive on the former, as it sounds interesting and a fact check on the latter as it sounds conspiratorial.
    I've been watching it in real time. I've seen probably over a hundred claims by people getting their post deleted and them banned just by posting a news article mentioning any relation to Islam of the shooting. Several have included screenshots. If I come across them again I'll post them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Who is deleting and why? Or do we just have our best guesses?
    the r/news mods.

    There is finally now a thread in r/news that mentions ISIS that hasn't been deleted.

    Why are the mods doing this? Well, maybe they legitimately believe Islamic terrorism is not a thing. Maybe they don't want anything that counters this narrative to see the light of day.
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    Screenshot of mass deletions. Those on r/the_donald are claiming it's when they mention "muslim" or anything related or when asking why they're being censored.

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    If you'll allow my politics to jump in here for a second: reports are wide that the shooter is an Afghan Islamist who pledged allegiance to ISIS on a 911 call just before entering a gun free zone full of mostly gay people. Obama just gave a speech, where he says the motivation is unknown and he blames guns.

    The allegiance the Democratic Party has to its political prejudices has given this election to Trump.
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    I always hate how reddit culls comment sections. So what if white supremacists or pedo-apologists take over the comment sections. The idea of upvotes and downvotes exists for the hivemind to highlight and hide comments as it wishes. You need moderators to make sure a subreddit stays true to its stated purpose, but not to control whatever conversations happen within it.
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    Rilla, spot on. I wonder if there is a market for more of a 4chan-esque reddit, or if there'll be enough outrage that eventually reddit will change its policy.

    Wuf, yeah, the party's policy of never associating terrorism with Islam is pretty disturbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Rilla, spot on. I wonder if there is a market for more of a 4chan-esque reddit, or if there'll be enough outrage that eventually reddit will change its policy.

    Wuf, yeah, the party's policy of never associating terrorism with Islam is pretty disturbing.
    I thought reddit was pretty easy going on this type of thing for a while, it's only relatively recently they've started banning and moderating things so harshly. It's gone past the point in size for being useful for lots of things it used to be useful for because it's such a big site now the people running it will end up getting in shit and when they're probably making very good money from the site it's not in any way worth it for them to let that happen.
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    I don't know about the reddit admins, but subreddit mods are pretty much just average people who can do what they wish for the most part. Admins certainly do play a role with things like choosing the default subs. r/news and r/worldnews absolutely should be kicked off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I always hate how reddit culls comment sections. So what if white supremacists or pedo-apologists take over the comment sections. The idea of upvotes and downvotes exists for the hivemind to highlight and hide comments as it wishes. You need moderators to make sure a subreddit stays true to its stated purpose, but not to control whatever conversations happen within it.
    Reddit's concern is with legal issues. I'm not a civil attorney, so idk what shit they can get into for knowingly permitting potential hate speech...but that's the fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    the r/news mods.

    There is finally now a thread in r/news that mentions ISIS that hasn't been deleted.

    Why are the mods doing this? Well, maybe they legitimately believe Islamic terrorism is not a thing. Maybe they don't want anything that counters this narrative to see the light of day.
    Probably to no one's surprise, I'm active on /r/The_Donald, and the situation with /r/news is largely because the left has this weird cognitive dissonance where they want to side with Islam *and* side with the LGBT group, but you have to pick one or the other. They're all just pissed it wasn't a white guy so they could blame it on racism, homophobia, lack of gun control, "toxic masculinity," etc.

    These camel-fuckers want to throw me off of a fucking building for my sexual preferences, but we're supposed to be tolerant of that. Kiss my fucking ass.

    Three examples of millions available:

    Why is it always a white guy: The roots of modern, violent rage - http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/why_..._violent_rage/

    It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_...y_white_males/

    Have You Noticed That White Dudes Keep Mass Murdering People? - http://jezebel.com/5969023/have-you-...rdering-people
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    google define hate speech

    Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

    Hahaha, all of these avenues of discussion are off limits. Why? Don't ask why. We don't need to give you a why, we just need to tell you they're off limits.

    I know arguments over race are fruitless because the races are much more similar than they are different.

    I know arguments over religion are fruitful because religion is useful and divisive and always wrong.

    I know these things because I was allowed to explore them. Why keep someone else from learning what I've learned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Probably to no one's surprise, I'm active on /r/The_Donald, and it's because the left has this weird cognitive dissonance where they want to side with Islam *and* side with the LGBT group, but you have to pick one or the other. They're all just pissed it wasn't a white guy so they could blame it on racism, homophobia, lack of gun control, "toxic masculinity," etc.

    These camel-fuckers want to throw me off of a fucking building for my sexual preferences, but we're supposed to be tolerant of that. Kiss my fucking ass.

    Three examples of millions available:

    Why is it always a white guy: The roots of modern, violent rage - http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/why_..._violent_rage/

    It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males - http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_...y_white_males/

    Have You Noticed That White Dudes Keep Mass Murdering People? - http://jezebel.com/5969023/have-you-...rdering-people
    Who cares about salon and jezebel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Who cares about salon and jezebel?
    Millions of people, politicians, policy-makers, mainstream media, the list goes on.

    They aren't as irrelevant as you suggest here. They largely influence the narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Millions of people, politicians, policy-makers, mainstream media, the list goes on.

    They aren't as irrelevant as you suggest here. They largely influence the narrative.
    There was a pretty strong narrative running through Jonestown about how good the Kool-Aid was.

    I don't care about salon or jezebel or the people they influence. They aren't worth the time or attention.
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    r/the_donald reads like ten dozen spoons shitposting.

    i actually quite like the sub. the memes are often funny, the shitposting is qualityshitposting, and it doesn't hold back.

    for those interested in actual serious discussion of trump, apparently the_donald has a sister sub (i have no idea if it's quality), https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters
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    I had a lot of fun with r/the_donald when they were winning things. But they've been as unimpressive as their candidate in recent weeks.
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    yeah but wasnt trump right about the curiel thing? last time i checked (frankly i didnt double check because i dont really care), the judge was nationalized and is part of a group where the leader claims all non-hispanics should leave california. it's not a stretch to claim this judge may be biased against trump, especially if it is true that he has been unusually causing trump problems.
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    lol go to r/news and every time you refresh the page, the subscriber count is lower. it seems to be dropping ~100 a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    yeah but wasnt trump right about the curiel thing? last time i checked (frankly i didnt double check because i dont really care), the judge was nationalized and is part of a group where the leader claims all non-hispanics should leave california. it's not a stretch to claim this judge may be biased against trump, especially if it is true that he has been unusually causing trump problems.
    You don't know the man based on what r/the_donald has brought you. You don't know anything but what little bits and pieces make it seem like Mr Trump was in the right.

    This is the fun of argument, even on the biggest stage, you can highlight all the things that point one way, and hide all the things that point another, and win.

    I didn't know this judge before, I'm not going to pretend to know this judge now.
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    Apparently a bunch of the biggest default subreddits are modded by the same group of people pushing an SJW agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Apparently a bunch of the biggest default subreddits are modded by the same group of people pushing an SJW agenda.
    Yeah it is. They've expanded the default subs to include things like /r/TwoXChromosomes, a super pro-SJW type, woman-centric sub full of people who have complained about becoming a default sub because of the expansion in size and audience.

    If you're interested in the process of how SJW types take over an organization, check out the book SJWs Always Lie by Vox Day.
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    Apparently the censoring was much worse than I thought. It wasn't just regarding referencing the shooter as a Muslim. The r/news mods ganked all mention of a shooting in the first place, and then after they stopped doing that, they ganked everything from people posting information on blood donation and personal accounts of what happened.

    What some people will do for their agenda.

    r/The_Donald saved the day and cracked me up while at it

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    r/the_donald has me expecting trump's next speech to include "we have the best gays. all gays are welcome in america as long as they come legally."
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    The piece of shit Orlando shooter's piece of shit wife knew about the attack ahead of time and didn't let anyone know.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orl...attack-n592051

    Fuck her. She deserves the fucking death penalty, but I bet she's not even fucking charged.
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    It always upset me that a while back when Trump said that we should go after family members of terrorists that know about attacks beforehand that every other Republican came out against it like he was saying families should be targeted just because they're family.

    All Trump said was to treat people equally under the law, and that when family members break it, they need to suffer the consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    No, it'd be completely unreasonable. First, two things happening doesn't mean one caused the other. But even if you could show this, denying a citizen the ability to live here is a huge deal. If we just decided to do something like this, we'd be eroding or eliminating so many of the fundamental principles that define us as a country and spitting on the graves of our ancestors.

    Show me the statistic that says american muslims (or Syrian refugees) are so terrible. Last I checked, they account for a very small amount of deaths...something like 50 in the last 48 hours IIRC, that's with a sample of over 700,000 muslims.

    We're also ignoring that muslims are productive members of our society and culture. That 1 bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch. We might as well kick all the blacks out to decrease poverty.
    Yeah you're fucking welcome.
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    There's irony that is the cucked of the Trump crowd. Whenever he says something that is deeply antagonistic to their most cherished beliefs (like how he now wants to take a giant dump on the 2nd), they rush to defend why he's perfect.

    Looks like the delegates may be ousting Trump at the convention. As they probably should.
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    If there's any sign that Trump may not be in this to win this (or that he preferred a Hillary presidency all this time), it's that the party is making significant moves against him because he is getting obliterated in the polls in an unprecedented fashion, yet he still does not opt to do the one thing that he excels at and that would raise his poll numbers: go on the warpath against Hillary. I'm not saying this is the case, just that it's strange.
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    Sorry for the huffpo, but this article is a 10/10

    http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/sad/
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Sorry for the huffpo, but this article is a 10/10

    http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/sad/
    good stuff
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