**** Elections thread *****

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Now is it strategic, legal, possible, and potentially effective? Sure.

But Senators are supposed to be representatives of the states. Representatives of the people in those states. As a whole, they represent our nation, and the best that we have to offer. And our system is one where we take issues, like Obama care, and debate and argue and whatever until we come to a vote and a resolution. We may disagree on many issues, and the pendulum may swing further to the right on some days and further to the left on others, but it's supposed to be that we, as a nation, are always striving to work together to figure out what's best for this country. You have a point, so do i, what do we do when we disagree? The answer cannot be "im sitting on the board till you agree with me"

It's a tactic just like the others. There are those who believe that the continual raising of the debt ceiling and funding of the rapidly inclining socialist and statist agenda is causing intense damage to peoples' lives.

Put some of this in perspective. The government's intrusion into your life is drastically higher than it was intended to be and than it would have been at most points in history. The country didn't start out with an IRS, it didn't start out with an unfathomably bloated job-killing anti-production welfare system, it didn't start out with untold numbers of burdensome regulations. For most of its history, it didn't have these or only had them in small ways. These things are causing incredible damage, and the time we live in right now is only a revving of the engine of more of these destructive elements.

Fighting against that by using a negotiation tactic of shutting down some periodic government functions is not only legitimate, but it's the least of what would be considered reasonable to the framers of our government.

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It's a tactic just like the others. There are those who believe that the continual raising of the debt ceiling and funding of the rapidly inclining socialist and statist agenda is causing intense damage to peoples' lives.

Put some of this in perspective. The government's intrusion into your life is drastically higher than it was intended to be and than it would have been at most points in history. The country didn't start out with an IRS, it didn't start out with an unfathomably bloated job-killing anti-production welfare system, it didn't start out with untold numbers of burdensome regulations. For most of its history, it didn't have these or only had them in small ways. These things are causing incredible damage, and the time we live in right now is only a revving of the engine of more of these destructive elements.

Fighting against that by using a negotiation tactic of shutting down some periodic government functions is not only legitimate, but it's the least of what would be considered reasonable to the framers of our government.

Since when does democracy give two shits about what "some believe"?

This system of ours deals with disagreement through voting. The republicans wanted to kill the affordable care act, and since they Couldn't get the votes to do so, they decided to defund the government instead.

Utter complete madness.

[wufwugy]

Since when does democracy give two shits about what "some believe"?

You presented reasons against the shutdown tactic based on what some believe. I countered in kind.

Also, it's not a democracy.

This system of ours deals with disagreement through voting. The republicans wanted to kill the affordable care act, and since they Couldn't get the votes to do so, they decided to defund the government instead.

Disagreement through voting is not the only thing it is. Defunding the growth of government is a legitimate negotiation tactic (not to mention a legitimate policy as is), and some think a tactic/policy that provides net benefit to citizens.

Utter complete madness.

I'm telling you it's not. The media got this one majorly wrong. They want nothing more than the Democrat Party's agenda to go through, so they framed this entire thing as illegitimate, crazy, scornful, anti-all-the-good-things Republican obstructionism.