The Matrix Werewolf - Game Thread

[Hoopy]

Grasping at straws is Hoopy.

Opportunistic is BooG.

[OngBonga]

I think the villager knees thing was an auto correct for villagerness.

[BooG690]

I think the villager knees thing was an auto correct for villagerness.

It was obviously autocorrect. I wanted to see if an MMM/Hoopy interaction would play out. Of course, with you supplying a defense for others (again), that probably won't happen now.

[OngBonga]

How the hell is that supplying a defence? Someone asked what the villager knees thing was, so I said. Fucking hell boog.

[OngBonga]

I don't get a great sense of sincerity from boog there.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

lol over-aggressive

hi, I'm ongbonga.

Yea, I got that. Notice how I added "even for you".

Seemed a little different

I'm unconvinced by monkey here. I mean I thought he can do better than this. Questioning the language of "when I'm villager" is wolf hunting?

The read happened before the when I'm a villager part. That just made me feel better about the read

And you were a wolf last game. Who were you talking about when you said it? A wolfbro? Or an innocent villager?

I was talking about myself posting too much and to stop posting

[OngBonga]

I was talking about myself posting too much and to stop posting

Ok this makes more sense now.

But it's noted that this game you've come swinging for me, right off the bat.

Just like last game.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

This is the post I'd like monkey to clarify. Because this be a logical thing to say if you were a villager last game who nailed a wolf. But you weren't a villager, so I'm a little confused as to why you think this is relevant.

Last game I had said "OK guys I've posted enough content for today"

Giving myself an out to not post as much

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Ok this makes more sense now.

But it's noted that this game you've come swinging for me, right off the bat.

Just like last game.

Last game I don't remember why I came at you. Probably because they were all fake reads cuz I was a wolf.

My feels on you on page 1 are legit this time cuz I'm a villager. We'll see where it takes us

[BankItDrew]

It was obviously autocorrect. I wanted to see if an MMM/Hoopy interaction would play out. Of course, with you supplying a defense for others (again), that probably won't happen now.

Boog is on his period again.

[philly and the phanatics]

Agreed. He posts a bunch of reads then reassures the village that he's not 100% positive about anything. It's like he's afraid the village will hold him to his reads:

lol, it makes sense that i do not want anyone to hold me to my reads on day 1. It is my first time playing in 5 years and i had maybe 4-5 games under my belt before then. All my historical reads are either worthless or nonexistent regarding specific players and the "way they play". I think its funny that you are quick to hop onto BID's claim. Makes sense to go after one of the people that think you are a wolf, especially if they are an easy target like I am.

I'm also not feeling the "damn Ong you ruined our chance to see MMM and Hoopy talk bra"

[OngBonga]

Last game I don't remember why I came at you. Probably because they were all fake reads cuz I was a wolf.

My feels on you on page 1 are legit this time cuz I'm a villager. We'll see where it takes us

Ok, well try not to assume that me being "overly aggressive" or whatever is a wolf tell, because otherwise you're going to be making a habit of misreading me.

[BooG690]

The Hoopy and MMM thing is part of a bigger problem of Ong constantly defending others when it's not his turn to defend others. I'm probably making a bigger thing of it than I should but it'd be nice if Ong gave others a chance to defend themselves. This isn't the Ong show.

[BankItDrew]

Fair enough, boog.

Lemme know when it's my turn.

[OngBonga]

boog me explaining what the villager knees thing is, I have no idea how you ever think that comes close to defending people.

And I'm not going to stop saying what's on my mind, even if that does amount to defending people.

So zip it.

[baudib]

Did Wuf do anything memorable?

[BooG690]

Did Wuf do anything memorable?

He showed face shortly after an Ong bold.

[BankItDrew]

Wif's playing?

[MadMojoMonkey]

@boozh re villager knees:
I don't understand what you want, here. This is a mundane discussion around the use of jargon. I think villager knees is funny. I didn't mean to obfuscate anything by using a slang. I don't think that there was any lost meaning that context alone couldn't fill in.

@Hoopy: How is the meaning not obvious? Why did you feel the need to clarify this?

probably villagers:
BID
gator
hoopy
ong
SMF

maybe not villagers:
baudib
boozh
gabe
JKDS
philly
rilla
wuf

(my lists are always alphabetical, not in any game-related order.)

If wuf's opening salvo wasn't against gabe, I'd have him in the prob V pile. It reads like V-wuf, but targeting gabe on D1 is historically a wolf sign. This game is different, obv. It makes it harder to see who's targeting gabe for opportunistic reasons vs. OMG he's wolfy as sin reasons. At worst, this puts me back a couple of months on reading gabe to the point where it's, "Follow gabe until he has you killing villagers, then lynch gabe." Obv. I'm not sheeping gabe (he's voting me, but I don't see how we're gonna read him when he's just throwing votes around with even less explanation than usual.

[BooG690]

@boozh re villager knees:
I don't understand what you want, here. This is a mundane discussion around the use of jargon. I think villager knees is funny. I didn't mean to obfuscate anything by using a slang. I don't think that there was any lost meaning that context alone couldn't fill in.

@Hoopy: How is the meaning not obvious? Why did you feel the need to clarify this?

My interest lies less in you and more in Hoopy focusing on an insignificant detail.

[OngBonga]

My interest lies less in you and more in Hoopy focusing on an insignificant detail.

The why are you giving me a hard time about me making an innocuous comment as though I just fucked up a reaction test or something?

[MadMojoMonkey]

My interest lies less in you and more in Hoopy focusing on an insignificant detail.

I appreciate that this was not on my radar until I typed up the first paragraph in the above. It prompted me to add the questions to Hoopy.

boozh gets a V-point for leading me to a good question.

[Hoopy]

@Hoopy: How is the meaning not obvious? Why did you feel the need to clarify this?

It's fine I get what you mean.

[Hoopy]

I think the villager knees thing was an auto correct for villagerness.

Ahhh ok that makes sense! I thought someone had made up the term.

[a500lbgorilla]

{baudib, OngBonga, wufwugy}

Maybe?

[OngBonga]

At least 33% wrong.

[a500lbgorilla]

Yeah, I might be wrong on wuf.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@rilla: why ong?

[OngBonga]

Yeah, I might be wrong on wuf.

66% wrong then.

[a500lbgorilla]

@rilla: why ong?

It has to do with his play and everyone else's. I'm comfortable clearing 5, I'll lightly clear 3 more, and Ong seems to be feigning the hunt.

[OngBonga]

That's it? I'm "feigning the hunt"?

That feels feigned to me. Funny that.

[BankItDrew]

I don't like rilla

his wolf list is similar to my village list

[baudib]

That's it? I'm "feigning the hunt"?

That feels feigned to me. Funny that.

yep

I don't like rilla

his wolf list is similar to my village list

yep

[baudib]

I'd say Drew probably can't be a wolf, and Ong/Gator/MMM/Boog shouldn't have very many wolves.

kill all the rest.

[BooG690]

Did Wuf do anything memorable?

{baudib, OngBonga, wufwugy}

Maybe?

Given that baudib called out Wuf for a lot of nothing, I don't see this wolf team as plausible. Rilla, why does wolf baudib call out wolf Wuf like this?

[BooG690]

*doing a lot of nothing

[baudib]

yeah, if there's anyone he's right about, it's Wuf.

[a500lbgorilla]

Given that baudib called out Wuf for a lot of nothing, I don't see this wolf team as plausible. Rilla, why does wolf baudib call out wolf Wuf like this?

This post?

Did Wuf do anything memorable?

I don't think anything about this post.

[lilrascal]

VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 263

gabe - 3 (baudib [69], wufwugy [132], BooG690 [150])
a500lbgorilla - 1 (BankItDrew [109])
JKDS - 1 (GatorJH [207])
MadMojoMonkey - 1 (gabe [176])
OngBonga - 1 (JKDS [164])

Not Voting - 4 (Hoopy [0], MadMojoMonkey [0], philly and the phanatics [0], SuperMonkeyFace [0])
Unvote - 2 (a500lbgorilla [117], OngBonga [134])

7 is MAJ. D1 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 25 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

Note: Numbers in brackets are the post number for the vote. Please let me know if I missed any votes so I can correct my spreadsheet.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I feel like I should probably vote for someone

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Bold boog

[baudib]

Monkey going for the TWTBAW while actually a wolf play.

[baudib]

Lynch/use special actions on JKDS, SMF, Wuf, maybeeeee Rilla and Hoopy. I'll re-examine Gabe and Philly later.

[philly and the phanatics]

I dont like the fact that 3 of the 5 vote getters are established vets who have proven to be very valuable villagers (no offense mmm and ong, i havent played with you enough/read enough of your games). It seems like the wolves would be the ones wanting to eliminate them from the game. It is day 1, statistically, most of the time at least, this is the day with the highest probability of them being villagers. It seems like it would play into the wolves hands to eliminate these players based on any day 1 action.

[baudib]

how do you know who's proven to be valuable villagers?

[philly and the phanatics]

i have played with them before...like i mentioned in an earlier post, gabe always had "legend" status. Rilla and JKDS both had great reputations and were widely respected when i played with them. Gator would fall into that category as well but he is not being bolded.

[philly and the phanatics]

i dont know who out of the remaining people have proven to be valuable villagers, mmm seems like he is very thoughtful and thorough, i just have no game experience with him to where i would put him on the same level as the other 3. Same with Ong.

Let me flip the question...who are the elite players in the game right now?

[philly and the phanatics]

because those are the people we should avoid lynching on day 1

[OngBonga]

I'm elite dammit.

[baudib]

A lot changes in 5 years. Chase Utley was great in 2010 and so was Tom Dwan.

Not only do players evolve, so do styles and theory. I find it hard to believe that you'd base your lynchings based on dusty reputations when you know nothing of half the people in the game.

It seems like you're just saying things to say them without actually contributing any real thoughts to the game.

[BankItDrew]

I'm elite.

[OngBonga]

I'm elite.

I laughed. And I was serious when I said I'm elite. I'm such an arrogant prick.

[BankItDrew]

rescind
lynch philly

[philly and the phanatics]

Not at all...it is day 1, all i have are my dusty reads. Tom brady was great in 2010. As was lebron james. You are right i do not know a ton about half the players in the game. Peoples styles may change, but i highly doubt that their ability to think logically and their ability to read people will change a whole lot. I am definitely contributing and stating, pretty explicitly, that i am skeptical of anyone that wants to push a lynch on an established great player. I literally am curious to hear who you think are the best players, i am willing to bet the 4 i mentioned will be on the list.

[OngBonga]

I don't wanna lynch philly. It's his first game in forever, I don't want him to think we all hate him and think he's a wanker and should fuck off back into obscurity. I'd rather him remember how awesome this game is and what a great bunch of people we are. A d1 lynch after 5 years away is a bit of a slap in the face.

I'd rather lynch JKDS. He's wolfy, I mean he had time to faff about with kitty, but despite not townreading me, didn't feel the urge to dig into my posts to see what he could get. How can he have a read on rilla worth shouting about, while he has nothing to say about the top poster? Why isn't he trying to figure me out if he hasn't got a read on me? He knows he can.

lynch JKDS

[baudib]

I mean we're always lynching JKDS today I'm just sorting through everyone else at the edges.

[baudib]

I don't wanna lynch philly. It's his first game in forever, I don't want him to think we all hate him and think he's a wanker and should fuck off back into obscurity. I'd rather him remember how awesome this game is and what a great bunch of people we are. A d1 lynch after 5 years away is a bit of a slap in the face.

I'd rather lynch JKDS. He's wolfy, I mean he had time to faff about with kitty, but despite not townreading me, didn't feel the urge to dig into my posts to see what he could get. How can he have a read on rilla worth shouting about, while he has nothing to say about the top poster? Why isn't he trying to figure me out if he hasn't got a read on me? He knows he can.

lynch JKDS

and yeah he hasn't attempted to communicate with me at all and he should as a villager.

[OngBonga]

I am definitely contributing and stating, pretty explicitly, that i am skeptical of anyone that wants to push a lynch on an established great player. I literally am curious to hear who you think are the best players, i am willing to bet the 4 i mentioned will be on the list.

JKDS isn't the player he was. I guess that's a time thing for him.

gabe rilla and gator are the most elire players here, but none are unlynchable on d1 any more. Everyone here has their value to different degrees. Some people are more lynchable than others on d1, and I'm yet to see gabe or rilla actually get lynched ond1, but that doesn't mean to say they're immune.

I generally don't like lynching either gabe or rilla on d1. I used to feel the same about JKDS. But that doesn't mean I won't if I'm failing to find wolfier targets. I'm not making my decision based purely on reputation.

[BankItDrew]

I considered the D1 lynch being a shitty thing for a player who hasn't played in 5 years. I bolded him anyways.

Wolfy is wolfy.

If philly enjoys this game during however long he's here, he'll return. Probably better the next time around.

I remember when I first started: I survived to end game the first two games. I was 1-1 but never got bolded once, ever. I don't remember or know why but it was pretty awesome.

However, the following two or three games I never survived to D2. I didn't care. I just wanted the next game to begin.

Anyways, philly is wolfy. His tone might be the wolfiest tone I've seen. If he flips wolf, he'll recognize that it was a solid read and solid kill. Hopefully will want to improve. If he flips village, I'll feel silly and 1% bad but at least him and I will both have something to improve and look forward to.

[OngBonga]

I'm not so sure philly is wolfy, he could just be rusty and I'm willing to give him time to settle in. I wouldn't say he's wolfy for not wanting to lynch a vet, I mean it was standard back in philly's day to mercilessly lynch the noobest player on d1, which was usually SDM, even if there were actual new players.

[baudib]

It's just impossible for Drew to be a wolf here.

Wolves, you have to kill him n1, he's either right on his reads and never getting lynched or he's wrong and we'll WIFOM over it.

glgl

[MadMojoMonkey]

baudib's villager knees seem sturdy enough for now.

@philly: There are no noobs in this game. We all play together all the damn time. The newest member to the group is SMF, who was clearly a talented player before he came here. It would be near impossible to say anyone is "too valuable" for a D1 lynch in this lineup.

BID can be 1337 when he turns the spaz down to 0.


Granted, that's pretty rare.

I have a shameful track record of end-game results as a living villager at LYLO.

[baudib]

if I were to do one of those equity lists I'd literally put Drew at 0% and you know I never do that.

in b4 OMEGA wolf etc

[OngBonga]

Here's a stoned though... if village has no vig, then baudib is always a wolf, because baudib is easily the most viggable fucker out there. Only baudwolf would fear a vig that bad that he'd want village to not have one.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I considered the D1 lynch being a shitty thing for a player who hasn't played in 5 years. I bolded him anyways.

Wolfy is wolfy.

If philly enjoys this game during however long he's here, he'll return. Probably better the next time around.

I remember when I first started: I survived to end game the first two games. I was 1-1 but never got bolded once, ever. I don't remember or know why but it was pretty awesome.

However, the following two or three games I never survived to D2. I didn't care. I just wanted the next game to begin.

Anyways, philly is wolfy. His tone might be the wolfiest tone I've seen. If he flips wolf, he'll recognize that it was a solid read and solid kill. Hopefully will want to improve. If he flips village, I'll feel silly and 1% bad but at least him and I will both have something to improve and look forward to.

BID is just never a wolf ~= 0% after this post.

[MadMojoMonkey]

*ahem*

BID is just never a wolf. ~0% after this post.

[baudib]

I've never gotten vigged and probably never will.

I'd always choose to give the village a vig as well because of the equity in VonV violence.

[OngBonga]

Show me them knees mojo.

[OngBonga]

I've never gotten vigged and probably never will.

I'd always choose to give the village a vig as well because of the equity in VonV violence.

I would totally default to vig'ing you if I had no better ideas. It's a matter of time, my friend... it could even be this game.

[BankItDrew]

If you're a villager, I would argue that appearing as a villager as much as possible is extremely valuable.

Just sayin'

[OngBonga]

If you're a villager, I would argue that appearing as a villager as much as possible is extremely valuable.

Just sayin'

I would go further and say that if you're a wolf, appearing as wolfy as possible would also be extremely valuable, perhaps even more so.

[baudib]

I would totally default to vig'ing you if I had no better ideas. It's a matter of time, my friend... it could even be this game.

no you wouldn't.

[OngBonga]

no you wouldn't.

Shows how much you know me, doesn't it? I mean you might have been right...

...until you said that.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Show me them knees mojo.

I'm trying to clear people as I can and figure out the ones that are left.

probably villagers:
baudib
BID
boozh
gator
hoopy
ong
SMF

skethcy MoFos:
gabe
JKDS
philly
rilla
wuf

Among the sketchy MoFos, I find gabe the one I'd be least likely to vote. Although the longer he camps his vote on me the more I feel like he should really be familiar with exactly where I'm at this game. *shrug* If you (ong) are asking me to prove myself, then maybe I'm being more lax than I think I am.

{JKDS, philly, rilla, wuf}

Although, my heart tells me that my gut is dumb and I should give philly a hug. I'm holding out for D2, but if he's hung up on factors outside of this thread, then he can't stay to end-game anyway.

I don't know how the new wuf wolf howls, but sitting on the sidelines and saying nothing could be it if he's staunchly opposed to walls of text and trying to control the narrative now. I don't mind giving him to D2 as well.

I'm fine with JKDS, rilla, or wuf. I prefer rilla over JKDS, but I agree with the assessment that JKDS is being a different kind of D1 wolfy from his usual (actually a villager) wolfy-looking self.

lynch rilla

[MadMojoMonkey]

Show me them knees mojo.