The Matrix Werewolf - Game Thread

[philly and the phanatics]

i still think that BID turns up vanilla a ton here like i said on page one. The only special i can see him being is the innocent child. And i rarely see him as a wolf taking this line, although (im saying this a lot -__-) this is my first time playing with him and he could be on that level, just unlikely.

[wufwugy]

i still think that BID turns up vanilla a ton here like i said on page one. The only special i can see him being is the innocent child. And i rarely see him as a wolf taking this line, although (im saying this a lot -__-) this is my first time playing with him and he could be on that level, just unlikely.

does philly know there's an innocent child in this game?

Just re read...this is where im at so far....also does the Russia America ww ever get readable?

Villager (trans?)
baudib
Bid
Gabe
gator

Wolf
Boog

Everyone else neutral. I would love to see more actual discussion from hoopy rather than one liners here and there, but if my memory serves correctly he has always kinda played this way.

Whatcha got big hoop?

calls boog his one wolf. he doesn't follow up on it by bolding boog at any close point.

@mmm I agree with the low probability of both being wolves i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here

yet still not voting for anybody

Wolfier than Ong?

throwing shade. does it whole game.

Hey look, guys. Philly is still fencing.

lots to say about philly wolfing. hasnt yet bolded him

Gabe and Ong are the new Baud and Ong. Gabe is coming off as less wolf and more trans with every post. I still hate the idea of him being so flaming about it though.

Anywho, rescind gabe, lynch philly

Philly's shitty explanation with regard to his fencing sold me. If anyone's conviction needs to be examined thoroughly, it's his.

finally bolds philly

@mmm

There's nobody that I'm super pumped about. I feel like BID Is all over the place but I'm sticking with my guns that he wouldn't open the game like that as a wolf

I'm not overly excited for an ong lynch but I think it's important we get some clarity on this situation and he's on the jkds wagon and two of the best players think he's a wolf

I have no idea what's going on with gabe, like I said he looked wolfier in the initial exchange and now he's gone hyper trans.

given the nature of the jkds wagon I think it's likely he's a villager and there's a wolf out of those voting for him that jumped on after gators bold...wuf bid and ong.

Also its strange to me that baudib was like "lol we are totes lynching jkds" but then doesn't bold him. It's possible he is a wolf trying to perpetuate a wagon without getting his hands dirty on any voting charts, but could also be him setting a trap to see who bites on the wagon

To me those are the two most noteworthy events so far, this ong and gabe exchange and the jkds wagon that was up to four votes relatively quickly

Forgive me if any of those three bolded jkds before gator I'm in the car with my girlfriend heading to atlanta and she's not stoked at the time I took to make this post lol so I can't verify

Finally considering that you said smf was quite talented I haven't seen anything from him really

inconsistent reads with what he thought before. why forgetting boog after saying he's #1 wolf? why forgetting saying one of ong/gabe is wolf?

I'm not gonna be around to vote at EOD. I'm unhappy with my vote planted on Philly if people refuse to vote him because he's new. I'm not voting for Ong or Gabe today. JKDS is still a thing right? Lynch JKDS but for really this time. I'm not too unhappy about this.

I'll "use the bathroom" at dinner and try my best to be around but not 100% sure.

leaves philly. not sure why. philly was his main wolf read. his jkds read seems non-existent

Meh I prob won't be back by 8 lynch wuf ..the jkds wagon hit four really fast it was just that gator rescinded. You seem least villagery of the three pilers

out of the fucking blue. still never said mum about boog even though he was his main wolf pick. his bold of me is early in my wagon. his explanation for the bold assumes that jkds is a villager.

I feel like we have a wolf in JKDS/gabe, this Ong wagon doesn't look good to me.

philly & BooG are probably gone until EOD, we need MMM to vote for someone not just leave his vote hanging.

hmmm, hold for later. thinks jkds/gabe is v/w. also thinks ong wagon doesnt look good

Shit I don't know if a wuf lynch is better.

wuf lynch isnt better than ong? hoopy just before said that he thinks ong wagon is bad.

Both Ong & wuf were on my short list. 40mins before EOD I didn't really like the Ong wagon much but was already on the gabe wagon which was in 2nd. I didn't think it was possible to get another wagon going so close to deadline on thanksgiving.

I missed the last 40mins of the day.

hhwwhaaat? ong was on hoopy's short list? so why did hoopy say he didnt like the ong lynch?

unless he meant we were on villager short list. weird way of putting it. but i thought that i was on every wolf list hoopy had presented up to that point?

sooooo i guess i'll go back and check

After that flurry of posts from Ong and gabe I doubt they're both wolves. Based on how long they've been arguing and the speed of their replies.

I feel like we have a wolf in JKDS/gabe, this Ong wagon doesn't look good to me.

philly & BooG are probably gone until EOD, we need MMM to vote for someone not just leave his vote hanging.

hmmm so he must really think there's a wolf in gabe

This is my list of people who I'd consider voting today.

BankItDrew
gabe
JKDS
OngBonga
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

well here's his previous short list. so it's a short list of wolves, which means that hoopy completely contradicted himself when after ong was lynched he said me and ong were on his short list yet he also said before the lynch that he didnt like an ong lynch.

Not feeling a JKDS lynch right now.

I'd be happy lynching SMF or gabe today.

Since gabe already has a vote lynch gabe

so he wasnt feeling a jkds lynch at taht time, but then later but before eod he said he thinks there's a wolf between gabe and jkds.

MMM - His posts read very honest to me. I haven't seen anything that looks wolfy or off. Best way I can express it is he seems to want to figure stuff out.

philly - Him not realizing the game isn't over if we miss today is villagery imo. Wolves usually know exactly what the state of play is, could be faking. But I empathize with his confusion so far.

boog - dude is challenging people on lots of stuff.

calls boog dude. also called philly dude earlier.

Mojo puts JKDS on 2 votes here, he switched from Ong who is confirmed villager. Ong led here with 4 votes with the voting being very tight.

He calls for a CFD on JKDS with 35mins left, JKDS was suspect throughout the day and the CFD could easily have been a runaway.

No way both JKDS and him are wolves together. We know now that gabe/ong were villagers, there is no benefit for the wolves to do this at EOD.

if he thinks there is one wolf in gabe/jkds like he prevoiusly said, why did he never follow up and bold jkds?

Thing is we're already in the midgame. Tomorrow will be lynch or lose if today doesn't net a wolf.

You need to step it up dude.

lynch SuperMonkeyFace

and he starts his smf boldings. as if nothing previous had happened.

holiday weekends gonna holiday weekend...i'm here now, and besides an imminent nap i should be here most of the night as i will be watching my noles slay gator's gators. Got any predictions GatorJH? If i put the over/under on Dalvin rushing yards at 125 are you really taking the under there?

I digress.

@gator, the reason for me barking up the boog tree is simple, he acted wolfy right off the bat by going after an easy target (someone spazzy that turned out to be a villager) and once he realized that he was going to get some heat for it, he snap reneged. He is continually pushing for my lynch (another easy target and another villager) because i fenced? Ong ( a villager) pointed out a couple of instances of inconsistencies in his tone as well. The majority of the village has cleared him as a villager, so i will relax for the time being and stop being so myopic.

On the other hand boog brings up a great point about a potential Hoopy slip.



This was made right at the buzzer, with a chance for him to save Ong. If Hoopy does come up a wolf, i would be fairly certain that wuf is as well.





He claims wolves know exactly what the state of play is, and then boom he knew exactly what the state of play was. This is somewhat weak by itself, but coupled with the potential wuf slip, the sitting back and just asking questions like "rilla what do you think?" while not really contributing all day 1, makes me think we may have a wolf.

Now that at least 2 of the wagoners on the JKDS train have come up villager, I think that its safe to take him out of my lock villager pile. His logic regarding mmm seems sound to me and i have mmm as one of my villager leans, but this observation is not indicative of alignment

SMF has still not contributed a lick. Reminds me of Flomo when he was a wolf who just hung around not posting shit and just "oh hey guys, my bad, here's a meaningless bold"

As for wuf, i kind of agree with rilla, it would be tough for him to be campaigning the way he would on day 1, but if Hoopy flips W, i think that condemns wuf.

Rilla
As of now

Villager lean-
mmm
gator

neutral
jkds
wuf
rilla
smf

wolf
hoopy
Boog

I also think its weird that all 3 of the votes have been cast for at least a few hours and nobody has jumped on. This makes me hopeful that one of the people bolded is a wolf.

makes case for hoopy. iirc never follows up. also to note the case implicates me if hoopy goes w.

hoopy and boog in his two main wolf spots. boog has been his main wolf pick all game, but he never bolded him and bolded me instead.

actually the more i think about it, its somewhat unlikely that Hoopy would even comment and damn himself like that at the EOD, it was already clear Bongo was going down, theres no reason to stick your head out and draw any attention to yourself as a wolf.

I think SMF's bolding of boog with next to no attention on Boog (aside from my crowing) is extremely lazy. He has gone out of his way not to get any attention by not posting, and now he has gone out of his way to avoid attention by casting a meaningless vote on someone who is not even being discussed as a potential day 1 lynch by anyone else (again aside from me)

immediately starts backing away from boog and hoopy being wolves

Ong lacked conviction in his tone. You lack conviction in your CONTENT. There's a huge difference there and this wall of nonsense you posted is a great example. Here, you say you feel Hoopy is a wolf. And then you write this TWO minutes later. It's impossible for anyone to know who you think is a wolf with this lack of consistency. So, please, don't compare your inconsistencies to the inconsistencies that got Ong lynched. Inconsistency in tone and inconsistency in content are two totally different things with the latter being a ton more wolfy. Also, it's a transparent wolf defense to compare yourself to a dead villager. Step your wolf game up.

I'm ready to lynch you. Lynch Philly

boog following through

Out of self preservation lynch jkds

philly was only at vote count of 1. he did say stuff about thinking jkds is wolfy earlier, but still can't bold one of the players he put on his formal wolf lists. especially boog, who was on it every time.

Hey look, guys. Wuf and Philly posting closely together (in time) for the same easy lynch.

except boog thought jkds was wolfy earlier and later finishes jkds off with me and others. his rationale for that final bold was weak, as we'll come to. what's also weird is that boog's later switch to jkds put him on the same wagon as philly was on.

Hey guys boog and wolf have the same amount of letters....the second letter of both words is also 'o'...I'm still waiting for you to make any points of merit

dude cant bold the one guy he has all over his wolf lists

MMM why does that post clear boozh? If a wolf knows that both are about to come up villager, and its clear that one of them are going to die without you getting your hands bloody, its easy to start hedging. I know his vote was already placed on me, but that was clearly going nowhere as well which could be seen as a cop out, this way he at least keeps up the illumination of being involved....am i tinfoiling too hard right now?

calls boog boozh. never asked in game thread about the weird spelling. maybe was told in wolf den.

makes more points about how boog is wolfy, still not bolding him, even mitigates his own claims by saying "am i tinfoiling hard right now?"

Yup I agree with this.

thinks jkds is wolfy. never bolds him at any later point.

At the moment I'm thinking the wolf team is this.

{JKDS, SuperMonkeyFace, ?}

The ? could be quite a few people as things stand.

JKDS flipping wolf would clear MMM and wuf imo, though I want to just check MMM's last few posts to be confident on that.

SMF is wolfier than JKDS and I feel like there's been resistance on his wagon most of the game. Having said that he doesn't really give us much of a trail to follow if he flips villager.

good reasons to vote jkds instead of smf. maybe he just didnt want his name on a vjkds death.

plus by hoopy's d1 logic of there being one wolf between such n such, jkds shoudl be his #1 wolf pick by far.

Its interesting that JKDS and SMF are avoiding each other.

I feel fine about lynching either of them today.

interesting? it wasnt even notable

I'll be out for the next 4-5 hours but will be here for the EOD.

as we'll find out, he barely does much when he returns for eod. even after knowing about his late show on d1 eod.

JKDS/Wuf are (W/V) / (V/W) 85% of the time here, right?

Lynch JKDS

what fun. the guy boog's main wolf pick in philly earlier bolded for the "easy lynch" is now boog's bold. what fun.

Wuf's conspiracy closely matches one I had on D1. Five minutes after Wuf voted JKDS to give him the wagon lead:

I like my JKDS vote even more now.

i remember not liking this when he first posted it, but i was happy to get help killilng jkds.

it's a case for gator being wolf if jkds flips wolf, not a case for jkds being wolf.

Could be quite a few people, if JKDS flips wolf I'm happy to clear MMM immediately. Probably lean to it being Gator just because of his wolf prowess .

wait, what? why gator and not smf?

gah...im torn...but jkds hasnt said anything to convince me he isnt a wolf, infact his posturing over the specials seemed forced and its obvious to anyone who has even read the rules that we do not know what the specials are.

he's torn? how could he be torn? he bolded jkds after i did, but now he doesnt know if he should bold me? what is going on

Im glad wuf turned out v, that saves us a huge headache today. I wish we had kept rilla because he was less on my radar. I dont think my list changes much from yesterday as my top 2 suspects are still alive. I just searched to see if Boog had ever mentioned SMF and he has not spoken to him or mentioned him once other than 1 time yesterday in post 673. This seems like classic distancing to me. Also SMF half assedly bolded boog on day 1 with little to back it up. He only mentions boog in 2 posts, 266 and 180...seems like a weak attempt at early bussing on his part.

also nobody bold yet, as a hasty bold could be our demise, lets get some good discussion going and make sure everyone has to contribute.

still knows who his top two suspects are, still hasnt bold a one o dem yet

Through page 7. Unsure how anyone is cleared at this stage. Hoopy and SMF have barely said a damn thing. Gator posts but is scared to hard push anyone. Philly's posts are a lot of nothing. MMM is the only one that reads as a villager.

I ask again, MMM, how'd you go about clearing people? What was your logic here?

classic endgame wolfing. villagers look for people to clear, wolves look for why people cant be cleared.



boog and philly then go into their pg 12 cat fight. not buying it for a second. looks like w/w to me.

One constant that remains in this game is whenever I've called or suggested someone a wolf (hoopy and mmm) their reply has always been; "well what do you think of xx or yy" or who's my partner then.

Reads even more wolfy

this has actually been very constant.

[Hoopy]

hmmm, hold for later. thinks jkds/gabe is v/w. also thinks ong wagon doesnt look good



wuf lynch isnt better than ong? hoopy just before said that he thinks ong wagon is bad.
But the Ong lynch being bad doesn't automatically mean a wuf lynch was better.

hhwwhaaat? ong was on hoopy's short list? so why did hoopy say he didnt like the ong lynch?
Shortlist was made during middle of the day but my opinions had altered by EOD.


well here's his previous short list. so it's a short list of wolves, which means that hoopy completely contradicted himself when after ong was lynched he said me and ong were on his short list yet he also said before the lynch that he didnt like an ong lynch.
Didn't like an Ong lynch "at EOD".


so he wasnt feeling a jkds lynch at taht time, but then later but before eod he said he thinks there's a wolf between gabe and jkds.

if he thinks there is one wolf in gabe/jkds like he prevoiusly said, why did he never follow up and bold jkds?

and he starts his smf boldings. as if nothing previous had happened.


dude cant bold the one guy he has all over his wolf lists

good reasons to vote jkds instead of smf. maybe he just didnt want his name on a vjkds death.

plus by hoopy's d1 logic of there being one wolf between such n such, jkds shoudl be his #1 wolf pick by far.
But wuf the point is that my reads had changed from day 1 after all of the flips. Also JKDS got to 3-4 votes fairly quick so if I bolded him there that's either a hammer which is obviously bad at that point or L-1 which I didn't think was safe.


wait, what? why gator and not smf?
JKDS, SMF with Gator as the ?

Responded inline to you wuf.

[GatorJH]

i still think that BID turns up vanilla a ton here like i said on page one. The only special i can see him being is the innocent child. And i rarely see him as a wolf taking this line, although (im saying this a lot -__-) this is my first time playing with him and he could be on that level, just unlikely.

FWIW Wuf, when I first saw this post I was wondering the same thing, but as I thought it through what he said makes sense. Of all the power roles a villager could have innocent child would be the one where you jump out saying "hey I'm special" in the hopes of laying a trap because it is the one role that can be confirmed without you dying. It makes sense to me that you wouldn't think through this because you knew BID couldn't be innocent child so I figured I would give you my point of view on the post.

This, as well as his thoughts on Gabe's abnormal style is why I pegged him as villager right off the bat and even more so when both of them flipped villager. You just rarely see a wolf semi-clearing two villagers this early in the game.