Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[Kami]

weird opening for the day

i feel like you would of said something about me tbh since alot of people voted you based on me

[gabe]

He's been the 3rd least wolfy player thus far

Why is he not in your list?

Cool.

Fun chat.

I have pnaw in my village camp because nothing he/she has posted has stood out to me.

Probably mostly due to the low post count.

anyone else agree that these answers are terrible

after rereading i see that wuf and ong both also dont believe the claim. im starting to agree

[gabe]

im starting to agree because its believable that BID knows hes dead in the water so now hes flippant

[Beck Novo]

hi aubrey

when you get a chance, could you give me a list of two to three villagers? specifically, players that you would like to not see get shat at during ITAs.

you too, Kami

if you shoot someone without announcing it first i'm gonna be upset

[BankItDrew]

anyone else agree that these answers are terrible

after rereading i see that wuf and ong both also dont believe the claim. im starting to agree

Fair enough.

WhatMs your read on pnaw?

[aubreymcfate]

kami - My first impulse was to comment on the bigger event, BiD's claim. To comment on the situation with you: I thought you were villager at first and based my analysis on that being true. As for my actual vote for you, it seemed like you didn't care about being in the game (which I don't think is the case now) and I'm always prepared to be surprised in WW and see someone I think is villager flip wolf. I felt like it was a decent lynch either way. It was a lazy day 1 placeholder vote, and I haven't played in about a year so.. yeah. lol, I dk what else to say about that. Then I had to deal with real life, so I never voted for someone someone who was more deserving.. and as shit got crazier, there were obviously better targets than you.

beck - sure, it might have to wait until tomorrow morning, it's late here and i have to get up early. will try for tonight though.

[ProbablynotAWolff]

1) I think we should lay shots into Aubrey. I also think we should lay shots into JKDS but I need to reread to tell you why I feel that way. I dont remember specifically why I get a wolf vibe form him but I just remember having it yesterday. I dont think we should ever shoot MMM, Beck, bigred, SIU, kami, drew. I think MMM/Beck/bigred are most villagy. We never shoot poisoned people(SIU/Kami). I think the drew claim resolves itself(either he gets poisoned by the wolves or if the poisoner dies we call his shots or he is fibbing, he did claim backup poisoner IIRC). There could be others I feel like we should shoot or shouldnt shoot but they dont spring to mind. I'll update where I am at with this well before the first session.

2) I think we should read over TTT posts to see if he had any peeks and to see who he was pushing. He was either killed because they are hunting for the seer or because he is a strong player(or a combination of the two). Either way it would be good to know who he was pushing.

3) I like that lilrascal isnt quick on giving me a villa read

[Beck Novo]

Looking forward to it, bopo.

Anyway, I'm off to bed but will be up relatively early.

ATTN: All. Please post your top two to three villagers as soon as you enter the thread. There is no reason not to. If you choose to take a shat tomorrow without doing this first I will consider you a wolf and you will be shat at or lynched promptly. The more organized we are during ITAs, the more likely we are to win.

[ProbablynotAWolff]

I just did a cursory skim of TTT posts.

He didn't leave a peek so I believe he was a SPK.

People he pushed to varying degrees: JKDS, Aubrey, Ong, rilla, Drew, Gabe, Kami

I think we should look into those since he was probably considered because he was right on some wolf or wolves.

There might be others that he pushed and if I omitted them please point it out and they should also be looked at today.

[ProbablynotAWolff]

I'm going to bed.

I believe Drew's claim, but if I am wrong and he is lying it doesn't matter. Him making the claim puts a timer on his head where he will either be NK'd by wolves or his claim wont match up with the night actions as the game goes onwards. So whether you believe him or not he is a dead man walking.

[wufwugy]

im never not killing somebody who didnt jump on gizmo. shady as fuck.

the worst of which is bigred, who is giving what can only be a wolf level of attention to this game. he finally got it after all these years

lynch bigred

kill aubrey if you must. just know that my word on her is gold. in fact, the only way my word isnt gold is if you guys keep wanting to kill her and i have to tunnel defend her and thus miss a wolf tell from her. just be clear that the stuff she did that you guys dont like is not a wolf tell but a vil tell

[TheBrokenATM]

Wow so I'm alive here. Lol me
I been super busy and kinda forgot to check this, good think it was a slow game plus a long pause. I hadn't check in days

[TheBrokenATM]

We let kami die of course.

[TheBrokenATM]

This Ong guy can get nite nite

[baudib]

The Russian national anthem is my favorite, it's just gorgeous and dramatic and 11 times better than our clown "Star Spangled Banner."

[TheBrokenATM]

Not impressed bro. At all

Sounds like a nazy chant and I don't understand it so yea

[TheBrokenATM]

I'm alone. Anyone here I need to sleep soon.
Homeland and other great shows are waiting to put me to sleep

[gabe]

kami who are you going to shoot? we are going to let you die so that's your chance to make a splash!

[Luco]

I don't usually feel bad about mislynches, but gizmo getting gat on D1 after not playing for so long made me feel pretty bad. Plus, given all the lurkers vs his stream of content he was a poor shot, but that's hindsight for you

Sorry gizmo

[Luco]

kami who are you going to shoot? we are going to let you die so that's your chance to make a splash!

I think kami may have derp cleared herself by literally begging us to kill her before ship yesterday. I could maybe have seen it as w/w but w/v is all levels of awful and I don't think kami would sabotage her w team like that

Kami / ship looking v/v but if there's a W in there it has to be ship

[Luco]

Villas - BID Beck Bigred Gabe JKDS Rascal MMM Wuf SMF

Undecided - Ong Hifi PNAW batm

Leaning wolf - Rilla aubrey boog

[Luco]

Healer can't go wrong today

Or more specifically, can't go right

[Luco]

First instinct says hifi. Also bigred seems very villagery to me

I agree with this

[Luco]

the worst of which is bigred, who is giving what can only be a wolf level of attention to this game. he finally got it after all these years

And I disagree with this. Given bigred's meta as lolcat/low hanging fruit, his activity level and contribution so far feel completely unnecessary when he could have easily slanked and trolled D1

Frankly anyone who is shading bigred purely for contributing is either a wolf or on the wrong level.

[Hoopy]

Vote Count

rilla -2
bigred - 1
aubrey - 1

a500lbgorilla
aubreymcfate
BankItDrew
Beck Novo - rilla
Bigred
BooG690
Dsaxton
Gabe
Hifi
JKDS
Kami - aubrey
lilrascal
Luco
MadMojoMonkey - rilla
OngBonga
ShipItUp
SuperMonkeyFace
TheBrokenATM
Wufwugy - bigred

[OngBonga]

lynch aubrey

I'm shooting drew in the face when it's ITA.

[OngBonga]

No, if I was vanilla, I wouldn't fake claim. I've never fake claimed before and I never will.

It was actually my first ever claim, in all the years I've played. I only did it because I'm a PR.

First ever claim? I'm pretty sure he's been forced to claim seer on d1 before.

First fakeclaim you mean.

[OngBonga]

Looking forward to it, bopo.

Anyway, I'm off to bed but will be up relatively early.

ATTN: All. Please post your top two to three villagers as soon as you enter the thread. There is no reason not to. If you choose to take a shat tomorrow without doing this first I will consider you a wolf and you will be shat at or lynched promptly. The more organized we are during ITAs, the more likely we are to win.

beck, mojo, rascal

How are you going to shoot everyone who doesn't do this? You only get one shot. Empty threat.

[Luco]

lynch aubrey

I'm shooting drew in the face when it's ITA.

Ong if you should drew without a counterclaim in play I will shoot you, and if you survive that I'll be tunneling you till you die.

[Luco]

*if you shoot drew

[OngBonga]

Ong if you should drew without a counterclaim in play I will shoot you, and if you survive that I'll be tunneling you till you die.

Maybe I'm the backup poisoner who doesn't want to outright counterclaim him and just wants to kill him.

I think drew is lying. I have a bullet. I can do what I like with it. You can do what you like with yours, and your vote.

[Luco]

beck, mojo, rascal

How are you going to shoot everyone who doesn't do this? You only get one shot. Empty threat.

Beck clearly stated - shot at OR lynched.

re: "empty threat" - why are you throwing shade at your top villager pick?

[OngBonga]

Beck clearly stated - shot at OR lynched.

re: "empty threat" - why are you throwing shade at your top villager pick?

I found it amusing that he was threatening to shoot those who didn't do as he told. It is an empty threat.

[OngBonga]

luco, if you shoot me for shooting drew, then I am going to assume you're special hunting via ITA.

[Luco]

luco, if you shoot me for shooting drew, then I am going to assume you're special hunting via ITA.

See, you can't possibly believe this. You know my stance on claims and counterclaims so you know exactly why I'm defending BID here. And your soft CC just stinks of trying to push your agenda through.

Looks like this could be a luco v ong day, which abbreviates nicely to LONG day

[OngBonga]

See, you can't possibly believe this. You know my stance on claims and counterclaims so you know exactly why I'm defending BID here. And your soft CC just stinks of trying to push your agenda through.

Looks like this could be a luco v ong day, which abbreviates nicely to LONG day

My soft cc is designed to remind you that if drew is lying, that there is at least one villager who knows for sure, and as such you should not be insta-suspicious of anyone who shoots him. On the contrary, you should be more careful.

Your position is allowing drew to not only dodge d1 lynch at the expense of a villager (who didn't have chance to claim), but also dodge the d2 ITAs. All thanks to the nut low claim.

drew is obviously a wolf here, and I find it amazing that you're prepared to let him totally dodge today as well.

[Beck Novo]

im never not killing somebody who didnt jump on gizmo. shady as fuck.

the worst of which is bigred, who is giving what can only be a wolf level of attention to this game. he finally got it after all these years

lynch bigred

kill aubrey if you must. just know that my word on her is gold. in fact, the only way my word isnt gold is if you guys keep wanting to kill her and i have to tunnel defend her and thus miss a wolf tell from her. just be clear that the stuff she did that you guys dont like is not a wolf tell but a vil tell

So you won't shoot anyone on Gizmo's wagon? And how can you conclude so easily that BR is the most likely to be a wolf on Gizmo's wagon? Almost everyone said BR is a wolf for not contributing and now he's a wolf for contributing? That's a serious stretch. I would also like you to explain how and at what point Gizmo's wagon was shady. Do you honestly believe that BR was the wolf who shifted the lynch?

[OngBonga]

Basically luco, you're welcome to consider drew immune from attack. You're not welcome to ram that line of thought down my throat.

I'm shooting him because I think he's full of shit. He's dropped another wolf slip today. He's never claimed before? Yes he has, but I don't think he's ever fakeclaimed.

Note the difference?

[Beck Novo]

I also still need two to three village reads from you, Wuf. See, I appreciate your defense of Aubrey, but she's still very much in the PoE. And we are shooting into the PoE.

[OngBonga]

I assumed wuf got his nots in a muddle.

[Beck Novo]

I'm alone. Anyone here I need to sleep soon.
Homeland and other great shows are waiting to put me to sleep

You have successfully made five garbage posts in a row.

[Luco]

My soft cc is designed to remind you that if drew is lying, that there is at least one villager who knows for sure, and as such you should not be insta-suspicious of anyone who shoots him. On the contrary, you should be more careful.

Your position is allowing drew to not only dodge d1 lynch at the expense of a villager (who didn't have chance to claim), but also dodge the d2 ITAs. All thanks to the nut low claim.

drew is obviously a wolf here, and I find it amazing that you're prepared to let him totally dodge today as well.

Vilagery post. I've been on the fence with you but I'm starting to think you're just stuck

Maybe you should slow down and think before you "baudib 2.0" during the ITA, if you're not the backup poisoner of course

[Beck Novo]

beck, mojo, rascal

How are you going to shoot everyone who doesn't do this? You only get one shot. Empty threat.

Luco is right. How can you have me as your top village lean but question my method?

You are not taking a hero shot against Drew. bopo said it best. If he's telling the truth, the wolves will lay waste to him. If he's lying, we can hold him accountable when the time comes. I don't trust this shot at all and the fact that you're willing to shoot at a potential PR is alarming. How can you be so confident that you're willing to risk a PR's life?

[Beck Novo]

Ong, work with us here. If we let everyone sho who they want this will be a fucking nightmare.

Give me your too villager leans, other than myself and MMM and lilrascal. If you can shoot at someone that isn't BID, who do you shoot?

[OngBonga]

Luco is right. How can you have me as your top village lean but question my method?

You are not taking a hero shot against Drew. bopo said it best. If he's telling the truth, the wolves will lay waste to him. If he's lying, we can hold him accountable when the time comes. I don't trust this shot at all and the fact that you're willing to shoot at a potential PR is alarming. How can you be so confident that you're willing to risk a PR's life?

I am of the opinion that those who blindly lynched gizmo at deadline took a greater risk in killing a PR.

I'm not questioning your methods. I'm mocking your empty threats. Just because I think you're a villager, doesn't mean you're immune from my mockery.

[Beck Novo]

luco, if you shoot me for shooting drew, then I am going to assume you're special hunting via ITA.

What is this shit? You're the one special hunting, not Luco.

I understand the subtleties you're trying to present here but please just don't be so hasty. I believe you're likely a villager here but just help us sort this out, there are no heroes at this point.

[OngBonga]

Ong, work with us here. If we let everyone sho who they want this will be a fucking nightmare.

Give me your too villager leans, other than myself and MMM and lilrascal. If you can shoot at someone that isn't BID, who do you shoot?

What's the point of an ITA if we're not to shoot who we want? That seems a better strategy than allowing a particular person to direct the village, because that particular person could be a wolf.

If I'm not shooting drew, then it'll be aubrey. But it seems she's already a popular choice. I might sit back and wait to see if she dies.

[OngBonga]

What is this shit? You're the one special hunting, not Luco.

I understand the subtleties you're trying to present here but please just don't be so hasty. I believe you're likely a villager here but just help us sort this out, there are no heroes at this point.

I'm special hunting? If I'm a wolf, I already know if drew is backup poisoner or not.

[Beck Novo]

I am of the opinion that those who blindly lynched gizmo at deadline took a greater risk in killing a PR.

I'm not questioning your methods. I'm mocking your empty threats. Just because I think you're a villager, doesn't mean you're immune from my mockery.

Right, but this is not an empty threat. Those that don't follow along will be listed in order and shot at thereafter. If we don't shoot you, we will lynch you. Eventually you will be held accountable for your actions.

Because if we do this as a team, we win and the wolves lose, every time. Do not be the one that tries to act confused or take matters into their own hands. If you do this you are intentionally sabotaging our efforts or you're a wolf; both of which should help us remove you from the game faster.

[Beck Novo]

I'm special hunting? If I'm a wolf, I already know if drew is backup poisoner or not.

Understand that you have this knowledge and we do not. Again, let's operate here on some mutual level of trust.

Please answer my question from before.

[OngBonga]

Using buzzwords like "sabotage" to try and stop me shooting drew is just making me suspicious of your motives here beck. You're doing your best to bully us into fllowing your ITA startegy.

I want to kill the obvious wolf. Why are you trying to stop me?

[OngBonga]

Understand that you have this knowledge and we do not. Again, let's operate here on some mutual level of trust.

Please answer my question from before.

What question? Other village reads? Give me a little time and I'll post a full reads list just for you.

[Beck Novo]

What's the point of an ITA if we're not to shoot who we want? That seems a better strategy than allowing a particular person to direct the village, because that particular person could be a wolf.

If I'm not shooting drew, then it'll be aubrey. But it seems she's already a popular choice. I might sit back and wait to see if she dies.

Right, that's a fair point. But you've placed me as your top villag read and now you're speculating that I'm a wolf leading you astray? Which is it? If you don't trust me because you think I'm a wolf then carry on. But if you think I'm misleading you as a villager then you're likely a wolf pushing an agenda, or to stubborn to realize that if we're organized this game is EZ.

Why can't everyone shoot who they want? For two reasons: (1) It makes it easy for wolves to shoot another player and then blame it on confusion or a lapse in judgement or some other bullshit, and 9/10 they'll get away with it. And (2) the percentage of a successful shot is only 15%, so if we all work to shoot the same player consecutively then the chances to succeed increase.

[Beck Novo]

Using buzzwords like "sabotage" to try and stop me shooting drew is just making me suspicious of your motives here beck. You're doing your best to bully us into fllowing your ITA startegy.

I want to kill the obvious wolf. Why are you trying to stop me?

Because to everyone but you he's not an obvious wolf. And because MECHANICALLY his claim will resolve itself.

[Beck Novo]

Ong, ultimately we're looking to shoot those that fall into our PoE.

Right now, that is not Drew.

[Luco]

Using buzzwords like "sabotage" to try and stop me shooting drew is just making me suspicious of your motives here beck. You're doing your best to bully us into fllowing your ITA startegy.

I want to kill the obvious wolf. Why are you trying to stop me?

He seems very obvious to you I'm sure. But on re-read I found several examples of what looked an awful lot like villager drew.

Thank you.

I may contradict myself and derp all game but at least I'm participating as much as I possibly can.

And he is participating, you can't deny that.

[OngBonga]

quick thoguhts on those who remain...

a500lbgorilla - rilla is looking more and more like a wolf with every hour that passes. I see nothing villagery from him, when as villager he shines.
aubreymcfate - aubrey's first post looks horrible to me.
BankItDrew - I've lost count of the times he's dropped wolf tells.
Beck Novo - well, strong villager read, but there's paranoia simply because I don't know him and he's trying to dominate the ITA.
Bigred - somehow I've never seen bigred as a wolf and I'd expect him to be solid. That siad, I do feel good about him.
BooG690 - I forgot he was even playing. null.
Dsaxton - replaced by pnaw - seems villagery
Gabe - I'm finding gabe tough to get a read on here, which worries me.
Hifi - my first villager read and I've not seen anything to worry me yet.
JKDS - that thing with aubrey, it felt like he really thought he had something there. Villager.
Kami - I think if aubrey is a wolf kami is confirmed villager. In fact she might be the wolf posioner target for this very reason.
lilrascal - seems like a villager.
Luco - the kami wincon thing I didn't like, and I'm not liking his tone with me. wolfy.
MadMojoMonkey - possibly the easiest person to tone read. Villager.
OngBonga - hero
ShipItUp - very much null, I'd prefer to see him die over kami.
SuperMonkeyFace - also null, last game he seemed more enthusiastic so I'd have him on the wolfy side of null.
TheBrokenATM - I can't say I've felt any village vobes from this guy.
Wufwugy - promising signs from wuf.

[OngBonga]

Ong, ultimately we're looking to shoot those that fall into our PoE.

Right now, that is not Drew.

Ok you make a solid argument. I'll give it more thoguth before I pull the trigger.

[Luco]

Ok you make a solid argument. I'll give it more thoguth before I pull the trigger.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an honor student at beck's school of ITA and I do love 'fuck you its fun' type shots, but shooting drew is just aids when he's this active & contributing and also a claimed PR. Please be open to the idea that you might just be subconciously missing baudib

Spin the wheel on a lurker / low poster

[Luco]

Luco - the kami wincon thing I didn't like, and I'm not liking his tone with me. wolfy.

I may be kicking the hornet's nest here but fuck it

What don't you like about my tone

[OngBonga]

I may be kicking the hornet's nest here but fuck it

What don't you like about my tone

I seem to recall you saying at one stage tha rilla is always a wolf and I'm always a villager. Yet you interact with me with a heavy tone of suspicion. Your tone doesn't seem to match your read.

[Luco]

I seem to recall you saying at one stage tha rilla is always a wolf and I'm always a villager. Yet you interact with me with a heavy tone of suspicion. Your tone doesn't seem to match your read.

Ong, based on the first half of D1 I thought you were v likely villa. You made some deep reads and clearly had you head in the game.

The second half of D1 you dissolved. You even made one post where you summarised 3-4 pages of ww in like 150 words, it was barely even a commentary letalone an analysis. When you've pinged me I've called you out on it.

D2 again, you pinged me hard. but your conviction here is what betrays you I think and in case you hadn't noticed I've softened on you a bit since I realised it

[OngBonga]

I dissolved? I would argue that I found a wolf. Maybe I didn't and you're right that this is just baudib all over again. It wouldn't surprise me. But from my pov, I hunted and found a wolf. Maybe I have a bad habit of getting complacent in such situations, idk.

But ok that's a decent response ot the tone thing.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Top villagers:
Beck
JKDS
Luco

Likely villagers:
BID
gabe
Kami
ong
PNAW

Neutral:
BATM
bigred
boog
rascal
SMF
wuf

Wolfy:
aubrey
rilla
Ship

Frankly, aubrey's post since my rilla vote has pushed her firmly out of neutral and into wolfy. Aubrey is smarter than most of us and insightful and not a WW noob, even though she plays infrequently. Her performance has me reading her as a "normal" person's approach to WW, and if there's something aubrey has never seemed in my eyes, it's normal. <- I mean that in the best of ways (outside of this game, obv)

@wuf: If you can do me a favor and pretend that you and aubrey aren't actually close friends and merely acquaintances? Reread her posts and tell me you actually feel her intelligence and insight are in this thread.


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Clearly, I suggest saving Kami over Ship. I hate that her style amounts to angle shooting, but it doesn't change that her angle has been shot.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ong, based on the first half of D1 I thought you were v likely villa. You made some deep reads and clearly had you head in the game.

The second half of D1 you dissolved. You even made one post where you summarised 3-4 pages of ww in like 150 words, it was barely even a commentary letalone an analysis. When you've pinged me I've called you out on it.

D2 again, you pinged me hard. but your conviction here is what betrays you I think and in case you hadn't noticed I've softened on you a bit since I realised it

THIS!

[Beck Novo]

I suppose I'm fine with saving Kami over SIU. At least we'll know the identity of our counter-wagon.

Why JKDS, MMM?

[Luco]

I dissolved? I would argue that I found a wolf. Maybe I didn't and you're right that this is just baudib all over again. It wouldn't surprise me. But from my pov, I hunted and found a wolf. Maybe I have a bad habit of getting complacent in such situations, idk.

But ok that's a decent response ot the tone thing.

Yeah that word doesn't fit, but I'm struggling to think of a better one. At the very least you 'changed' when drew attacked you and now I'm coming to the conclusion that it's not because he put you on the defensive. It's just taken me a while to see it.

[Luco]

Villas - BID Beck Bigred Gabe JKDS Rascal MMM Wuf SMF

Undecided - Ong Hifi PNAW batm

Leaning wolf - Rilla aubrey boog

I was hoping someone would pick on this and ask about it, but

N1 SMF v

[Luco]

Every time I see BATM I think of Bark at the moon by Ozzy Osbourne

[ProbablynotAWolff]

Just woke up,

Ong, if you shoot drew and are incorrect I will also be calling for shots on you and your lynch

[ProbablynotAWolff]

also,

luco is also in my dont shoot in ITAs list.

I hate wufwuf voting bigred, i dont think hes the wolfiest person on the gizmo wagon and i dont understand why he thinks that.

[Beck Novo]

bopo, who would you shoot today and in what order?

And will you be around for both sessions?

[ProbablynotAWolff]

I would shoot Aubrey #1
JKDS #2
#3 is up int he air and I will let you know when I know,

i'll definitely be aroudn for session 1, not sure about 2

[Beck Novo]

What are your thoughts on shooting Wuf?

Right now, I suggest that we shoot rilla, then Aubrey/Wuf, then JKDS.

[ProbablynotAWolff]

What are your thoughts on shooting Wuf?

Right now, I suggest that we shoot rilla, then Aubrey/Wuf, then JKDS.

I am fine with a wuf shot

i'm going to reread wuf/jkds/rilla this morning though and will update if my feelings change