Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[Top Tier Tom]

Lynch Aubrey

[gabe]

Yes, I've heard it said many times by wolves when they make a fake claim.

ok, i believe you since i think you are much more experienced than me.

i guess the real question is, would a wolf say "would a wolf say that^ sentence?" ??

because if not, i gotcha there

[lilrascal]

ok, i believe you since i think you are much more experienced than me.

i guess the real question is, would a wolf say "would a wolf say that^ sentence?" ??

because if not, i gotcha there

LOL.

I want you to answer Tom's question about which drugs you're on.

[Top Tier Tom]

Yeah I want an answer to the drug question also lol

[lilrascal]

Lynch Aubrey

I need to go relook at her, but Beck made some good points that make her not look so good.

[lilrascal]

Gabe, go look at BID and rilla. Both are pinging me this game, especially BID. You have more experience with them, so give me your take on them.

[wufwugy]

JESUS CHRIST YOU GUYS STOP POSTING IVE BEEN READING FOR OVER HALF AN HOUR AND EVERY TIME I FLIP THE PAGE THERE'S A BRAND NEW ONE YOU LOSERS POST FASTER THAN I READ

[lilrascal]

Wuf, where are you on reading?

[Top Tier Tom]

JESUS CHRIST YOU GUYS STOP POSTING IVE BEEN READING FOR OVER HALF AN HOUR AND EVERY TIME I FLIP THE PAGE THERE'S A BRAND NEW ONE YOU LOSERS POST FASTER THAN I READ

apparently the solution is drugs

[lilrascal]

Wuf, what's your read on BID and rilla?

[gabe]

tom, rascal: have you heard of a cheeba chew?

my gut has my suspicious of jkds, rilla, aubrey and rascal. i remember i wasnt suspisicious of hifi but someone gave me a reason to be during my review

aubrey, kami and hifi are the females among us? i want to get my pronouns right before i dig in to them

[Top Tier Tom]

This guys talking about pronouns

I'm just laughing now. What a mind

[lilrascal]

Lynch Aubrey

She's only got 3 posts so far (380, 388 and 416). Her switch on Kami is not great, but I don't think it's lynch worthy.

[Top Tier Tom]

She's only got 3 posts so far (380, 388 and 416). Her switch on Kami is not great, but I don't think it's lynch worthy.

Well I lost enthusiasm for JKSD after MMM said he's consistently wolfy

[lilrascal]

tom, rascal: have you heard of a cheeba chew?

my gut has my suspicious of jkds, rilla, aubrey and rascal. i remember i wasnt suspisicious of hifi but someone gave me a reason to be during my review

aubrey, kami and hifi are the females among us? i want to get my pronouns right before i dig in to them

No, I haven't heard of cheeba chew, but I just googled it: "Award winning marijuana edibles for medical card holding patients in California and Colorado. Medical cannabis infused products are for adults only."

LOL

[Beck Novo]

Lynch Aubrey

but i still want more from JKDS

[lilrascal]

Well I lost enthusiasm for JKSD after MMM said he's consistently wolfy

Yeah, JKDS often comes off that way, but not always. I still have him in my neutral pile for now.

[Beck Novo]

She's only got 3 posts so far (380, 388 and 416). Her switch on Kami is not great, but I don't think it's lynch worthy.

Read my posts at the top of this page and give me your take.

[Beck Novo]

Yeah, but JKDS entered the thread with the intention to vote for Tom. You can tell because he voted before he justified said vote. Which is why his whole shtick feels contrived. If he's consistently wolfy then he deserves his fair share of attention.

[gabe]

so far i see BID as a villager. i think the way he explains why he wants kami dead is valid. however i disagree with him. im weary of these women playing because its harder to get in their head. is that sexist

[lilrascal]

Read my posts at the top of this page and give me your take.

I read it and agree that it doesn't look good for her, but I think there are better wolf candidates.

[Beck Novo]

I read it and agree that it doesn't look good for her, but I think there are better wolf candidates.

Who? gabe? lol

[lilrascal]

so far i see BID as a villager. i think the way he explains why he wants kami dead is valid. however i disagree with him. im weary of these women playing because its harder to get in their head. is that sexist

I understand him about Kami, but what he said about Ong which I quoted earlier just don't sound like villager BID. He flip flops on what he says to and about Ong and then actually says he finds Ong to normally make "concise" posts.

Have you ever hear him or anyone call Ong's posting "concise"? (No offense Ong. )

[gabe]

shipitup / monkeyface / jkds / aubrey / boog is the list i feel comfortable lynching from. all with 3 posts or less. there is definitely a wolf in there but it doesnt mean the odds are good enough to just pick one blind

[wufwugy]

ong is v because his reads are very v ong

schrodinger's bid is schrodinger's bid. he's in his v and w ranges. the first thing ong didnt like about him (saying ong is lock w but then voting for kami), bid has done as v many times. the second thing ong doesnt like (bid's sig choice) has legs but i dont know what to make of it. bid does the opposite of what normal humans do but then will surprise you and do exactly what us normies do.

rilla has sucked as v too. remember last game where he didnt show up for like 50 years after that amazing d1 read?

i have never had success reading gabe d1. also by the time i got to him arguing with you guys, i started skipping because im already way behind schedule.

if ttt is wolf he's tt for a reason

no reads on anything else. kami is still doing exaclty what she did last time as a wolf. to a t. i have no desire to lynch the top five or so posters because theyre probably all villagers. wolves could easily all be laying back. in fact i think that at least one wolf is in the group of people who are easy to predict to get modkilled for inactivity (bigred, aubrey, apparently dsax).

oh yeah bmac or jmac or scat or whatever that initialism of that one dude's name is, he could be wolf. the guy from pog or whatever who has only posted like five times and does it like daven (uses stanzas instead of paragraphs).

[lilrascal]

Who? gabe? lol

BankItDrew (BID)

[gabe]

on day 1 im not going to vote for the following people. some are wolfy but since they are active, i wont vote for them this early.

a500lbgorilla
BankItDrew
Beck Novo
Bigred
Gabe
lilrascal
Luco
MadMojoMonkey
NightGizmo
OngBonga
TheBrokenATM
TopTierTom
Wufwugy

[MadMojoMonkey]

Yes, there's more. I am no longer enraged. But I'm thinking Gabe might be a good lynch. People said he's a good villager; he seems like he's struggling to make sense. Doesn't sound sincere at all.

If I find the blood of a villager on my hands, and gabe had a part in the wagon, then I will seriously question gabe. Until then, I'm happy if he's involved and posting freely. He's generally one of the low post count players.

Sincerity is an emotion that gabe reeks of, but it took me a long time to become familiar with it.

Really, my read on gabe right now is: I don't think any of gabe's wolfy plans include starting D1 by engaging the entire village in a battle of wits over mechanics which has the obvious result of poisoning villagers.

It's not quite a villager read, so much as an anti-wolfy read.

if someone thinks my logic bad, its always because of one of two things. 1) i missed some fact along the way or 2) you missed a fact along the way. the logic holds if my assumptions are right.

It's like the scientific process is hard-wired into him, sometimes.

[wufwugy]

batm that's the guy i was thinking of

[gabe]

Really, my read on gabe right now is: I don't think any of gabe's wolfy plans include starting D1 by engaging the entire village in a battle of wits over mechanics which has the obvious result of poisoning villagers.

thanks for posting this. to me it seemed obvious, but obviously its not obvious !!

[that sentence brought to you by Cheeba Chew]

[lilrascal]

ong is v because his reads are very v ong

schrodinger's bid is schrodinger's bid. he's in his v and w ranges. the first thing ong didnt like about him (saying ong is lock w but then voting for kami), bid has done as v many times. the second thing ong doesnt like (bid's sig choice) has legs but i dont know what to make of it. bid does the opposite of what normal humans do but then will surprise you and do exactly what us normies do.

rilla has sucked as v too. remember last game where he didnt show up for like 50 years after that amazing d1 read?

i have never had success reading gabe d1. also by the time i got to him arguing with you guys, i started skipping because im already way behind schedule.

if ttt is wolf he's tt for a reason

no reads on anything else. kami is still doing exaclty what she did last time as a wolf. to a t. i have no desire to lynch the top five or so posters because theyre probably all villagers. wolves could easily all be laying back. in fact i think that at least one wolf is in the group of people who are easy to predict to get modkilled for inactivity (bigred, aubrey, apparently dsax).

oh yeah bmac or jmac or scat or whatever that initialism of that one dude's name is, he could be wolf. the guy from pog or whatever who has only posted like five times and does it like daven (uses stanzas instead of paragraphs).

I definitely agree with you on Ong.

It sounds like you're suspicious of BID and rilla also.

Gabe I'm holding off on for now. In fact rescind gabe

TTT is good in either role, but I think he's OK right now.

Kami is in her normal place regardless of role from what I've seen.

BATM is probably best described as a combination of Wuf, Ong and Baudib.

[wufwugy]

it is a legit read that if gabe looks really wolfy he might not be a wolf.

like baud said a game or so ago, he doesnt show his thought processes. he's also fearless. which can easily turn into posting all sorts of stuff that looks bad while just being villy. i mean, there is one thing i really disliked about what he posted, but it's more like i disagree with his logic, and it's better to avoid calling people wolves for that, which i have been wont to do

[lilrascal]

Rescind gabe

It kind of got lost in the previous post.

[wufwugy]

BATM is probably best described as a combination of Wuf, Ong and Baudib.

so the best and worst player all wrapped into one?

[MadMojoMonkey]

lol

I am truly stumped by gabe.

Maybe one of the weirdest posters I've ever seen

(1)Is he always like this? (2)Is he on drugs? (3)What's happening

(1) No, he's actively engaging you in live time. Usually, he's more reserved.

(2) I doubt it. gabe? You on drugs?

(3) We's doing tha dub dubs!!!

As for the rest, just let it sink in. I hope I'm not being impolite to say that gabe is an odd one. He's brilliant and friendly, and worth getting to know, but not like the run-of-the-mill people you meet.

[wufwugy]

wait if batm is ong baud me, then where the fuck is he?

[Beck Novo]

If I find the blood of a villager on my hands, and gabe had a part in the wagon, then I will seriously question gabe. Until then, I'm happy if he's involved and posting freely. He's generally one of the low post count players.

He's generally a low volume type of player? Because this directly contradicts what Gizmo said early.

Which of you should I trust?

(I know the answer to this question but I would like your honest opinion in full before I answer.)

[lilrascal]

so the best and worst player all wrapped into one?

Yep.

[lilrascal]

wait if batm is ong baud me, then where the fuck is he?

I think he said he was stuck late at work and that he was playing in multiple games.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

An interesting read so far

[MadMojoMonkey]

best described as a combination of Wuf, Ong and Baudib.

AAAAAhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Kill it with FIRE!!!!

[lilrascal]

AAAAAhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Kill it with FIRE!!!!

LOL. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

[MadMojoMonkey]

(2) I doubt it. gabe? You on drugs?

TIL


Does ongie know about these?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Should probably read once more to retain information better

[MadMojoMonkey]

He's generally a low volume type of player? Because this directly contradicts what Gizmo said early.

Which of you should I trust?

(I know the answer to this question but I would like your honest opinion in full before I answer.)

Gizmo hasn't played a game in over a year. I keep spreadsheets.

YOU DECIDE!!!!

[Beck Novo]

Gizmo hasn't played a game in over a year. I keep spreadsheets.

YOU DECIDE!!!!

So why might he be dishing out metareads like he has been?

[gabe]

He's generally a low volume type of player? Because this directly contradicts what Gizmo said early.

Which of you should I trust?

(I know the answer to this question but I would like your honest opinion in full before I answer.)

gizmo hasnt played in a while. i remember playing a lot with him but i dont even remember my personal reads on him back in the day

MMM posted a pic of the quad dose chews. DO NOT eat one of these. it will literally ruin your week



i am hanging around but having a hard time currently making a big argument

[MadMojoMonkey]

So why might he be dishing out metareads like he has been?

I don't know how to answer this.

I have no meta on him, since I clearly haven't played with him in the past year. I can only speculate as to why he's doing anything.

I don't totally hate a vote on Gizmo, but I need to get some sleep.

Gizmo's snap vote over like 1 misread sentence was generally accepted as villagery, but I can't see why in retrospect. It's not like what he posted was a good read or led a good dialogue in the hunting process.

I need to sleep on it, 'cause that exchange kept my vote off of Gizmo, but I'm losing grasp of why.

[NightGizmo]

If Gabe is low volume, that became his norm after I stopped playing.

The first game we played together was "Super Meta Werewolf" near the end of 2012 -- he had double my posts and was lynched day 4 (villager) and I was eaten after day 3. I checked the other games after that and we had similar post counts, but I didn't feel like digging into the threads to find out how much each of us lived. Although, come to think of it -- Vampires and Werewolves was the game that I lasted until the very end, and we had similar post counts -- so he hit his post count in less days than me.

[baudib]

Mod note:
Guys, it says in the OP to put "lynch" in front of the votes for a reason. I won't be counting any votes that don't say "lynch" on them after this until I get Hoopy or someone to run vote counts. glgl

Votecount
Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, NightGizmo)
BankItDrew 2 (Hifi, OngBonga)
Aubrey 2 (Beck, Top Tier Tom)
TopTierTom 2 (JKDS, Kami)
Wufwugy 1 (Rilla)

not voting: Dsaxton, MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, lilrascal, Gabe, Luco, Boog, Bigred, ShipItUp

[ShipItUp]

Hi

[ShipItUp]

Top Tier Tom

Bae sponge

[BankItDrew]

Yes, there's more. I am no longer enraged. But I'm thinking Gabe might be a good lynch. People said he's a good villager; he seems like he's struggling to make sense. Doesn't sound sincere at all.

This is how I'm reading gabe, but more so because I have a decent idea as to his posting style. Villager gabe is typically in my top three fav villagers list just because he's very good at being a villager when he's a villager. I was corrected earlier re: him being busy irl so I'm skeptical of him being legit.

[ShipItUp]

I'm going to be inactive af tomorrow as well sorry. If it makes you feel better I'm not enjoying being this busy even remotely and didn't plan on this happening when i signed up.

[BankItDrew]

Explain why a villager thinks about making this his sig. Explain to me how this isn't an alignment indicative slip. Tell me why a villager would be pleased to read what tom said.

1) Because it acts as a yield sign for future games. I'm not going to make it my sig, I was JK. If I were though, it would just fuck with peoples heads, which I find entertaining.

2) Because I'm a villager and I know how wolfy it would be to make it my sig.

3) Because I'm a villager and it pleases me when others think I'm a villager.

Your first question is good but the other two are brutal.

[NightGizmo]

NG (Night Gizmo) is jumping up in wolfy points for his 111 - 113.

I really want to lynch NightGizmo right about now. How is this not a thing we're doing?
Not bolding yet, 'cause need to get fully caught up. Then need to 'splain myself.

I don't totally hate a vote on Gizmo, but I need to get some sleep.

Gizmo's snap vote over like 1 misread sentence was generally accepted as villagery, but I can't see why in retrospect. It's not like what he posted was a good read or led a good dialogue in the hunting process.

I need to sleep on it, 'cause that exchange kept my vote off of Gizmo, but I'm losing grasp of why.

Why are you afraid to cast a vote unless someone else is already voting? Don't want to be seen as a bandwagon starter? And how about explaining your reasons for wanting to lynch me, instead of being vague?

[wufwugy]

Mod note:
Guys, it says in the OP to put "lynch" in front of the votes for a reason.

payback for not letting me bold wuf

[BankItDrew]

I was accidentally vigging multiple villagers while you were still wearing diapers.

Bigreds first long reads post is probably the best bigred post I've seen of his, ever. So kudos for starting this game strong.

I don't appreciate the part about me but I guess I had it coming, considering what I said about you. But I guess you had it coming, amirite?

[BankItDrew]

BID is pinging me the most. Mostly because he's not looking like his normal villager self.

I have no defense for you perceiving me as being different this game. Particularly when it's the same thing I said about gabe.

[NightGizmo]

Really, my read on gabe right now is: I don't think any of gabe's wolfy plans include starting D1 by engaging the entire village in a battle of wits over mechanics which has the obvious result of poisoning villagers.

(2) I doubt it. gabe? You on drugs?

It also seems odd to me that you post reads on Gabe, yet obviously haven't read the entire thread yet -- I find it difficult to believe that you missed the entire Cheeba Chews discussion.

[BankItDrew]

gabe, we're 400 some odd posts into the game and as far as i can tell all you've really talked about is +/-EV plays regarding the poisoner

what else have you got? give me like a really, really solid read please

I'm liking beck

[BankItDrew]

You haven't done anything to help the village. You've really only talked some mechanics about the poisoner.

To be fair, I actually don't think discussing poisoner mechanics is a bad thing.

Obv if it's the only thing then we have a problem.

[BankItDrew]

I'm going to overlook gabe not posting like his normal village self due to the implied substance use of medical marijuana.

However, a baseline should be established.

[BankItDrew]

The mods vote count is incorrect I think. I bolded ong.

[baudib]

Votecount
Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, NightGizmo)
TopTierTom 3 (JKDS, Kami, ShipItUp)
BankItDrew 2 (Hifi, OngBonga)
Aubrey 2 (Beck, Top Tier Tom)
Wufwugy 1 (Rilla)
OngBonga 1 (BankItDrew)

[Luco]

Bigred and boog both here and both leaning v, good stuff

[gabe]

i disagree with ong being so weirded out by BID's post about changing his sig

classic debate over ong here. "is he being crazy or is he making up stuff because hes a wolf?" im leaning towards towards ong just making a read that i dont believe in

the back n forth between rilla and gizmo seems not WW, and same with rascal/luco on page 4. when we discover the roles of them we will have a little bonus info


this post from rascal:

The Rocky IV WW theme quote seemed out of left field and it may have been intended for wolf chat rather than the game thread. I think it's possible that his character is Drago and he just messed up posting in the thread. A Drago character in Russians vs. Americans fits, but calling this a Rocky IV ww themed game makes me think he slipped.

seems really out of place. i think the idea of "things spilling over from wolf chat" is virtually non existant and is something i will not grant you, despite your experience. this is an extreme reach. i missed this my first time skimming through but tom caught it. wolfy points for rascal

[gabe]

and wolfy points for rascal = V points for luco since i think its v hard for them to be WW

[gabe]

I find this conversation fascinating

And ridiculous

Makes you both easier to read as villas at least

what about this makes rascal V? from my games with him, he makes a very good villager. however i have not seen him pull out such a wild read before. its out of character which is wolfy

[JKDS]

Im around and catching up.

[gabe]

since jkds is here, id like to add to the consensus that he seems wolfy very often. jkds you should do more to make us believe you are a villager (in general)

Beck Novo has a strong village lean in my book

[JKDS]

I'll level with FTR. I deliberately post little on day 1, because I have always gotten lynched early when I do. Day 2 is also when theres actual info to go through, and its a lot more fun.

[JKDS]

Ok, you win tom. I wanted you to be a wolf really badly, but 231 and 232 are super villagery.

unlynch

Probably lynching ong, but I wanna finish catching up. BID, Luco, and ATM are all likely villagers. I like gabe as a villa too.

[JKDS]

@Ong: If you're around, your case on BID is essentially that he chose not to vote you, when he thought you were wolfing. He did this exact same thing last game as a villa when he caught me. In fact, that entire string of posts sounds almost exactly like what he did last game, so hes almost certainly villa.

You modded it, why dont you see that?

[BankItDrew]

I was a wolf last game fyi but I don't think you (jkds) played.