Tit for Tat Werewolf

[BankItDrew]

Ez game

thanks ong!

No offense but... Worst wolf showing ever. Baudib and JKDS are 1 & 2 on the lynch block D1. And kami well... No words. No words.

[OngBonga]

When wuf sent me the n2 target of rilla, I got excited and hoped that kami would hit wuf, with the vig hitting gabe. That would set kami up for the most unlikely win, becase wuf wouldn't be able to tell the village that he didn't target kami like everyone would assume.

But then monkey had to go and deviate from the programme too. Plus kami hit the wrong special.

[Luco]

Thanks for modding ong!

[wufwugy]

thanks for modding ong.

gj smf. to note, your somewhat hard to tell reason why jkds looked wolfy based on baud's power was a vig tell.

i want to say the talk about what the specials should or shouldnt do did not help us. as a rule, i dont talk about specials and when a special i never claim until the last day or the game is cinched, even if im about to be lynched. i say this to say that i felt like some of d2 talk was giving the wolf reasons to see who was vanilla and who was not.

n1 i jailed rilla because duh he's most likely nom regardless and was clearly not a speical. i switched to smf because upon further investigation, his d1 was majorly wolfy, but then switched back to rilla because i was getting too fps.

n2 was rilla again because he could be nom target again but also he could have been the wolf. the wolves needed two late switches to keep baud alive and rilla was not playing like a villager d2, so it was possible the wolves just had a wacky ass strategy for whatever reason.

i was never going to jail kami. specials dont do what theyre told unless the seer tells them. so i guess it was true that kami was frozen. unfortunately most of us havent played with her to contrast what her unfrozen play is like.

[wufwugy]

dead and wolf threads?

[baudib]

I thought Kami was fine, other than not finding any wolves she was playing her village game.

BID was pretty lolobvious rolecop and made a useless peek but played well.

Village romps while ignoring Gabe and Gator, who were on the wolf D2. too stronk.

[baudib]

I made my case in the dead thread why Ong's decision to not count votes that happened at :00 was wrong. It wouldn't have mattered.

Monkey's shot is the key to the whole game, there's not really any reason he should think I'm W/W with JKDS over Luco but good read.

Also, traditionally specials haven't been able to target the same player consecutive nights, I guess Wuf could have jailed Rilla forever and we wouldn't be able to kill him.

[wufwugy]

so no dead and wolf threads then

k gotcha

[baudib]

wolfchat

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Zwcz5rjGB7i

dead
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/XCu9Z8T3jCi

[baudib]

Thanks for modding Ong. FU village.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Read the thread probably 3 times last night

Kami was then obvious. Gator and Gabe did more to solve the game than her lol

The jkds snipe was sweet. I submitted jkds even before the baudib flip was even revealed. I thought baudib was gonna flip villa and jkds was my top wolf read.

Once I saw the reveal I fist pumped hard, reread the thread and saw it Woulda been difficult for them to be w/w but I went with my gut read. Thankfully I binked the second pr wolf! I then super fist pumped at that reveal

I understand talking about claims n stuff let's the wolf plan n such but at the same time we were just trying to figure out whether claiming is a good idea or not. We were only after 1 wolf so narrowing down the pool even further I thought was a good idea. Even though we never did so good job for that

[OngBonga]

Also, traditionally specials haven't been able to target the same player consecutive nights, I guess Wuf could have jailed Rilla forever and we wouldn't be able to kill him.

This isn't true. Regular angels are often restricted in this manner, but the whole point of that restriction is to avoid follow the cop. No such worry with a jailer. Furthermore, this is an approved setup, there's no need to tweak it.

rilla, how would you handle the vote thing on d1 as mod?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I like the jailer. Doesn't 100% confirm anything

[baudib]

I jailed Ong's mom once. She can confirm.

[OngBonga]

You should mod the next one baud. I wanna play and I feel like another game without us playing together would be a good thing.

[BankItDrew]

Jkds in the wolf den:

"Between rascal voting me for "popping in" (the fuck? I do that all the time) and BID posting a bucnh of false crap, i dont really got anywhere to go. "

This is hilarious because all that crap I said about gator and jkds was 100% manufactured. Kinda trolling the village as a villager there...

[wufwugy]

I understand talking about claims n stuff let's the wolf plan n such but at the same time we were just trying to figure out whether claiming is a good idea or not. We were only after 1 wolf so narrowing down the pool even further I thought was a good idea. Even though we never did so good job for that

i figure that if claims would win it then the specials are going to realize that themselves and claim.

outside of that, i think claiming is always wrong (unless an angel can protect you, but those kinds of games blow).

[BankItDrew]

Baudib:

"How does Drew draw seer every other game and continue to play it so badly?"

idk

i suck as seer

[BankItDrew]

Jkds:

"
Bids list of me is super wrong too, and that annoyed me"

lololololol

[a500lbgorilla]

gg wolves!

Great shooting SMF, that JKDS shot was amazing. Solid villagering from lilrascal this game too.

About the deadline thing, it could go both ways if you worded it like "deadline is 12:00" but I just checked and at 5:33 you said 26 mins left. When 26 mins counts down to 0, that's 5:59 not 6:00. Though at 5:52 you said 8 minutes left, which puts some life into the 6:00 time stamp.

In any case, it's a learning lesson for mods to tamp out ambiguity.

[BankItDrew]

For the record, I like ongs logic re: 12:00:14 time stamp ruling

[BankItDrew]

You should mod the next one baud. I wanna play and I feel like another game without us playing together would be a good thing.

Translation:

"I wanna play next game but don't want baudib there."

[a500lbgorilla]

We should run this set up again.

[wufwugy]

read the dead thread. i just want to be clear that i dont think jailing rilla n2 was soulreading or going off script at all. the village "deciding" what the specials should do isn't legitimate. specials need to be autonomous and not take any plans made by game posts into consideration. this does change if the person giving the plan is the outed seer.

so i wasnt trying to soulread anything, it just didn't even cross my mind that sticking to a very unvetted plan would be a good idea. i decided i was probably going to jail rilla again at the very beginning of d2 anyways.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Positive criticism to take away from this game for baudib would be "take a stance"

[wufwugy]

wuf has levelled himself into thinking rilla might be the wolf.

keep all options open. eventually enough doors shut

[wufwugy]

Positive criticism to take away from this game for baudib would be "take a stance"

it's funny the tells i saw were some variation in some things he deliberately does as a villager.

[wufwugy]

about the timing thing, it's probably best to say the exact end time instead of just "such n such minutes"

[SuperMonkeyFace]

:00 good, :01 bad

For example should be in vote counts

Or whatever the mod decides is good/bad

[a500lbgorilla]

Solid jailering, wuf. Way to keep me up.

[a500lbgorilla]

:00 good, :01 bad

For example should be in vote counts

Or whatever the mod decides is good/bad

Pretty clear what this means.

[JKDS]

God damn it BID. GOD DAMN IT.

Also, now I'm mad I got shot. I was gonna play the confirmed villa, no way I'm ww with baud card soooo hard. Damn you both!

[JKDS]

I think the time stamp this is problematic because my time stamps don't have seconds.

In court, 12:00:01 is late. But meeting someone at noon and showing up at 12:00:01 is clearly fine. It's not clear cut.

[Kami]

bruh

[Kami]

i blame baudib for being a mess

LOL!

[wufwugy]

maybe we could use a generic rules sheet that is pasted in every OP of each game.

it could include things like "all votes on or after the three digit time of eod do not count"

[Kami]

but yeah that was much better than my previous wolf games where i just went inactive cause fk being wolf

LOL

[baudib]

It's not an issue here because we almost never do POG style CFDs. Except this game.

but on POG and MU there are vote counters with the :00 good, :01 bad and of course the thread auto locks at :01.

I think the big issue here was the fact that Ong stated at :52 that day ends in 8 mins, which does not lead me to believe I need to vote at :59. Rilla must have thought the same thing.

I mean there's no angleshooting going on, both Rilla and I clearly have the intention of voting JKDS within the deadline.

Obviously as the most powerful wolf I'm voting anyone (including JKDS) other than myself and I was active and obviously looking to snipe.

I think barring a clearly stated "votes after :59 do not count" or a "IT IS NIGHT" message, those votes should count.

[OngBonga]

We should run this set up again.

I agree, only flipping the power roles to give village the rolecop and wolves the jailer.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I think the time stamp this is problematic because my time stamps don't have seconds.

In court, 12:00:01 is late. But meeting someone at noon and showing up at 12:00:01 is clearly fine. It's not clear cut.

You don't do seconds. Just minutes

[OngBonga]

The disallowed votes, I guess I've set the precedent as far as my modded games go.

During the ten minutes I was mulling it over, I was trying to justify allowing the votes. But I knew the instant I saw them that I felt they were late.

I'm not sorry for the decision, but I am sorry I wasn't crystal clear, and for the casual "8 mis left" reminders. Like rilla says, learning curve. I'm sure it's happened here before, but I couldn't specifically remember a game, and figured it would take maybe hours to find a precedent. I felt like I was making the technically correct decision, one which I stand by.

Thanks to all parties for not allowing it to become a problem.

[OngBonga]

Actually I was probably making the technically correct decision.

I mean there's a ridiculously small chance that the first or even both of those votes were at precisely 12:00:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 etc

[baudib]

Obviously this game is tainted and the win should go to the aggrieved wolves.

Lettuce forget this game actually happened.

[OngBonga]

The amusing thing is, I was refreshing as deadline loomed thinking "why the fuck isn't baudib on luco or jkds yet"

[OngBonga]

Obviously this game is tainted and the win should go to the aggrieved wolves.

Lettuce forget this game actually happened.

We'll call it a mod win.

[baudib]

BTW, Wuf's case on why it has to be Gator was as hilarious and bad as him reading BID villager last game.

SMF truly GOATed it here by ignoring how a wolf treated his partners and just shot the wolfy people.

SMF for MVP over Rilla by the slimmest of margins, I'll never really understand why Rilla was all over me from post 1.

[baudib]

This village was truly annoying. JKDS had it right when he said he couldn't really come up with anything wolfy anyone had done.

For instance, Rascal, having not randed seer for the first game in forever, was unusually active on D1. Even Hoopy was villagery FFS.

The only really bad posts from villagers came from BID, and when there was no momentum to get him lynched it was pretty much gg. Especially since BID actually had good reads.

[wufwugy]

BTW, Wuf's case on why it has to be Gator was as hilarious and bad as him reading BID villager last game.

never happened. seriously read my posts please

i said i had a read and was going to be consistent. i didnt think he was terribly likely to be a wolf, but at that point nobody was.

[BankItDrew]

The only really bad posts from villagers came from BID, and when there was no momentum to get him lynched it was pretty much gg. Especially since BID actually had good reads.

Reading this is an emotional rollercoaster.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Don't think it mattered anyway ong thx for game

Looking forward to the next one

[wufwugy]

eh you get a partial pass. i did say "im pretty sold it's gator". i remember meaning "im pretty sold on gator", which is different.

anyways that was more of a "it's a case that works and im sticking to it in this time where who we lynch doesn't really matter"

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I really enjoy playing on this site with you guys btw

It's more ww than anywhere else I've played

I don't think it's biased because of two villa wins. Moreso short threads, easy to read, easy to post whatever I'm thinking

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Oh and good formats

[wufwugy]

we keep a solid crew

[lilrascal]

GG guys.

[gabe]

gg everyone who participated (not me)

everyone is too good at villaging. we need to give the wolves a handicap

[lilrascal]

I'm glad I was right about Luco and hoopy.

Gabe and gator, you should have helped us better to get the perfect villa sweep.

[lilrascal]

Thanks for modding Ong.

[gabe]

I really enjoy playing on this site with you guys btw

It's more ww than anywhere else I've played

I don't think it's biased because of two villa wins. Moreso short threads, easy to read, easy to post whatever I'm thinking

cool... glad to have you... what do you mean by the bold?

[BankItDrew]

I'm interested in playing b2b games on ftr indefinitely. It's very enjoyable to me.

[gabe]

I'm glad I was right about Luco and hoopy.

Gabe and gator, you should have helped us better to get the perfect villa sweep.

gator and gabe both said not to lynch gator

if i were gator id be offended the village thought a wolf gator would play this "weak"



just so everyone is clear, i did not play this low-content strategy to balance for when i am a wolf and do the same

[lilrascal]

Oh and good formats

I still want to know who you are.

We should have a shats game here.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

cool... glad to have you... what do you mean by the bold?

Actual ww instead of a dick measuring contest.

No one calls people good or bad n doesn't seem like anyone cares about that. Everyone makes ww reads from peoples posts.

[lilrascal]

gator and gabe both said not to lynch gator

if i were gator id be offended the village thought a wolf gator would play this "weak"



just so everyone is clear, i did not play this low-content strategy to balance for when i am a wolf and do the same

No problem and not intending to be attacking you here. I just really wanted to get a perfect villa sweep. At least I narrowed it down to the two AFKs (who could be wolves) and Kami.

[lilrascal]

Actual ww instead of a dick measuring contest.

No one calls people good or bad n doesn't seem like anyone cares about that. Everyone makes ww reads from peoples posts.

Also, for the most part, people here truly understand slank cover is real, which I for one really appreciate.

[wufwugy]

gg everyone who participated (not me)

everyone is too good at villaging. we need to give the wolves a handicap

hmmm i dunno. when we have large enough games for 4 wolves, the wolves tend to win. plus pretty much every time the village has been weakened, they lose.

could be variance

[wufwugy]

Actual ww instead of a dick measuring contest.

No one calls people good or bad n doesn't seem like anyone cares about that. Everyone makes ww reads from peoples posts.

yeah in game we play ww but out of game we have sometimes been mean to each other

the hoopman keeps us cordial. one time i called ong a loser then cried myself to sleep with the mental image of the hoopman shaking his head

[baudib]

Actual ww instead of a dick measuring contest.

No one calls people good or bad n doesn't seem like anyone cares about that. Everyone makes ww reads from peoples posts.

you're bad and should feel bad

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I still want to know who you are.

We should have a shats game here.

I'm afraid it will kill any credibility I have.

Shats would be fun

[OngBonga]

Thanks to this game, I've figured out how to read baudib...

Spoiler: Show

ask rilla

[MadMojoMonkey]

This is hilarious because all that crap I said about gator and jkds was 100% manufactured. Kinda trolling the village as a villager there...

[Luco]

Actual ww instead of a dick measuring contest.

No one calls people good or bad n doesn't seem like anyone cares about that. Everyone makes ww reads from peoples posts.

btw, when I said 'smf can't play ww' I was just pushing buttons. I like to rattle people's cages a bit D1 and see if they sing but there's never anything malicious or personal behind what i say

[Hoopy]

GG everyone, solid village crush this time around.

We should run this set up again.

This. I'd like to do a few more runs to see what the balance is like.

I really enjoy playing on this site with you guys btw

It's more ww than anywhere else I've played

I don't think it's biased because of two villa wins. Moreso short threads, easy to read, easy to post whatever I'm thinking

Clutch vig shots MVP. JKDS in particular was mad good.

[Luco]

Yeah the jkds shot was strong, gj SMF

[JKDS]

I found that when trying mafia scum formats, wolves are typically disadvantaged. Dunno why, but it always seems like the village is favored.