Sep 2015 Werewolf - Game thread

[a500lbgorilla]

Slick derpclear obv bruv

[OngBonga]

In case the sarcasm didn't smack gabe in the face hard enough, and he's actually unaware, gator is dead and flipped town.

[baudib]

i had hoopy and evene in my 2nd shortest wolf list. if you knew that i was a village, you wold not say the last part

I notice you have this habit of responding to things I say without actually answering my questions or referring to the relevant portions of what I said.

First, you talked about Hoopy in a really weird way when you listed a lynchable group. "I could take Hoopy off but don't see any reason too."

Precisely no one had taken Hoopy off a lynch list. Then you made a later list and there's no Hoopy. That was approximately the time Hoopy was starting to get votes.

Between you and Hoopy, you both did a Rule of 3 on her. Gator and I were obviously villagers and that's your wolf list? gjge

Anyway, your response is not in any way addressing my post because you did not give anyone any reasons to vote, the way you usually do, and you weren't making reads on the rest of the village.

Also what in god's name does "if you knew I was village" mean? I don't know that you're village at all.

[Cory]

People who are probably villagers:

Ongbonga
Baudib
Rascal (lilrascal)
Kami
Shipitup

The thin ones:

Wufwugy
Gabe
Supermonkeyface

The rest:

JKDS
Rilla (a500lbgorilla)
BID (Bankitdrew)

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This is what I had going into the day before rereading with Evene/Hoopy = w (and lesser so Gator = v) so I am going to reread again with that in mind and hopefully should be able to IMPROVE this list

[OngBonga]

who's the last wolf iyo

rascal until proven otherwise.

I can't be fucked to read anything until he posts, or everyone who can still be seer has posted. I'd say rilla based on his play yesterday, but let's see what he does with two wolf flips once it's clear there's still a hunt.

[wufwugy]

Gabe and Rilla are the natural village leaders/wolf hunters and they're not doing any leading or hunting.

gabe is not a village leader. even he would say he's not. he's good and respected, but he doesn't mold opinion to his liking the way you, ong, rilla, or i do.

the point on rilla is valid, but it should be noted that his village leading nature is a product of something else. that something else is a lack of village leading and wolf hunting. it is fully within his nature to take a backseat when there is as much action as your post-blasting buddies have brought.

[a500lbgorilla]

I am very lazy when I can be.

[baudib]

JKDS is almost certainly a villager. He was on the verge of getting there on Hoopy but didn't quite get there. The way he was asking him questions is almost never W/W.

I mean Hoopy is the most tone-neutral player I've ever seen so I can't fault JK for not quite getting there.

[gabe]

i said "hoopy wasnt in contention" because i wasnt going to vote for him. in my original list i said something like "i could take hoopy off my list" because hoopy hadnt done anything wolfy really, he just hadnt done anything villagery. so i wasnt confident on including him on such a list.

remember when everyone was sure i was a villager so i didnt have to try hard? take that into account and its all believable

[wufwugy]

who's the last wolf iyo

are you talking to me? i have an opinion, but it will still take a while to catch up and reread that person's posts with this new information.

i would be the nutlow turbo player. only when im drinking do i stop reading posts and just chat.

[gabe]

I notice you have this habit of responding to things I say without actually answering my questions or referring to the relevant portions of what I said.

First, you talked about Hoopy in a really weird way when you listed a lynchable group. "I could take Hoopy off but don't see any reason too."

Precisely no one had taken Hoopy off a lynch list. Then you made a later list and there's no Hoopy. That was approximately the time Hoopy was starting to get votes.

Between you and Hoopy, you both did a Rule of 3 on her. Gator and I were obviously villagers and that's your wolf list? gjge

Anyway, your response is not in any way addressing my post because you did not give anyone any reasons to vote, the way you usually do, and you weren't making reads on the rest of the village.

Also what in god's name does "if you knew I was village" mean? I don't know that you're village at all.

at the time of my list of 5, i dont remember hoopy getting much attention from the village. the second "list" i made was for who i would vote for at that moment. i said baudib gator or evene. i thought killing one of them would leave the village in a better place

[gabe]

i would be the nutlow turbo player. only when im drinking do i stop reading posts and just chat.

we might need our first drinking turbo at ftr after this game

[Cory]

fwiw i don't hate Gabe's reasoning at all

And honestly I rarely lynch people who are being "wolfy" since it lends to a hodge-podge of lynching a mixture of dumb and incorrect villagers and a Crunkus-wolf or two

I just try not to lynch villagers and I do pretty well irt to that

Hoopy was never actively wolfy afaict (baudib says somethng about the Kami vote but I don't even remember it) but he was also never villagery and that's where I tend to STRING THE NOOSE

[a500lbgorilla]

How long do turbos take?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

That was beautiful. Gj vig

I won't be around much today. Will do a full reread tonight (11hrs away) and get my thoughts into the thread.

[baudib]

i said "hoopy wasnt in contention" because i wasnt going to vote for him. in my original list i said something like "i could take hoopy off my list" because hoopy hadnt done anything wolfy really, he just hadnt done anything villagery. so i wasnt confident on including him on such a list.

remember when everyone was sure i was a villager so i didnt have to try hard? take that into account and its all believable

so you didn't consider voting him when he started being wolfy after that? And when a possible seer was up for lynch?

Let me get this straight, the only people you thought could be wolves included Hoopy at one point. That means you considered Rascal/Kami villagers. So when Rascal/Kami are the wagons, you, as a villager, think they are two villagers and you think it's fine for them to be the wagons?

Then, when someone you are saying was on your wolf list became a viable wagon, you didn't consider voting for him and in fact took him off your short list.

GG YOUR GAME IS OVER.

[gabe]

And honestly I rarely lynch people who are being "wolfy" since it lends to a hodge-podge of lynching a mixture of dumb and incorrect villagers and a Crunkus-wolf or two

I just try not to lynch villagers and I do pretty well irt to that

Hoopy was never actively wolfy afaict (baudib says somethng about the Kami vote but I don't even remember it) but he was also never villagery and that's where I tend to STRING THE NOOSE

good post. people here love to call others wolfy when they should be calling them just incorrect villagers

[Cory]

How long do turbos take?

~1 hr with automod, little longer without

[wufwugy]

we might need our first drinking turbo at ftr after this game

id be down with an ftr turbo, for sure.

[a500lbgorilla]

~1 hr with automod, little longer without

Jesus

[Cory]

alright i have to go help my brother move

i may be back tonight, dk, but if not i'll be around tomorrow during FOOTBALL and will get through everything before EOD

[gabe]

so you didn't consider voting him when he started being wolfy after that? And when a possible seer was up for lynch?

Let me get this straight, the only people you thought could be wolves included Hoopy at one point. That means you considered Rascal/Kami villagers. So when Rascal/Kami are the wagons, you, as a villager, think they are two villagers and you think it's fine for them to be the wagons?

Then, when someone you are saying was on your wolf list became a viable wagon, you didn't consider voting for him and in fact took him off your short list.

GG YOUR GAME IS OVER.

"that means you considered rascal/kami villagers" ...... no, i just assumed the rascal stuff would work itself out and that we didnt need to press it like ong thought we did

and yea i took hoopy off the short list instead of hopping on his viable wagon because I WANTED TO LYNCH YOU. and yours was a viable wagon at one point so i was fine sticking with you

[wufwugy]

Hoopy was never actively wolfy afaict (baudib says somethng about the Kami vote but I don't even remember it) but he was also never villagery and that's where I tend to STRING THE NOOSE

there is a particular way he was wolfy, but yeah you have to know him to see it. baud is right in how tone neutral he is, but he's not content neutral. you can find conviction and purpose in his posts as a villager, but he struggles with it as a wolf. it's the story of 80% of players.

[baudib]

off to play poker for the next 20 hours but I'll be on via phone.

[wufwugy]

how do you iso somebody again?

[Cory]

you can find conviction and purpose in his posts as a villager, but he struggles with it as a wolf. it's the story of 80% of players.

i can't agree with this more from a general werewolf perspective

i think you're alright, wufwugy. i hope you are a villager and we can sweep this baby up today

[Cory]

BankItDrew

because I can

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Also I think hoop flipping vanilla wolf looks good for rascal. Rascal wouldn't claim seer as a pr wolf imo.

Rascal also lived though. But I put more stock in ^ than just him being alive still

[baudib]

BTW I kinda think Rilla is more and more a villager now, but these are posts where we talked about Hoopy.

I don't think about wagons this way. I don't even consider myself pushing for Kami.

But yes, Hoopy has been sliding by, though I've seen it from him before. If rascal does turn out to be a wolf, I would be the wolves would treat the situation with a 'wait and see, stand off to the side' attitude.

The point is not that Hoopy is sliding by but what he did there is objectively very wolfy.

It's not that villagers NEVER find themselves in that spot but it's a very weird progression to make.

And super easy for a wolf to do as they're trying to find an excuse for making a vote.

You wouldn't say that if you agreed with his read.

Wrong. His read is 100% correct insofar as you could call it a "read."

Her posts are mainly fluff and one-liners is inarguably true. She's also a villager.

[baudib]

I later clarified and said that actually, most of Kami's posts are talking bout people's alignments, which is the opposite of fluff.

[wufwugy]

rilla is within his wolf range, but the things he says are also rational and within his normal personality.

[wufwugy]

i might be leaning towards rilla being villager because i *think* there is something else he would do as a wolf that he isnt now.

[a500lbgorilla]

Even at that, it seems like awfully fluff alignment talk to me.

[baudib]

Also Wolf JKDS wouldn't try to clear Wuf, I also think he's correct and wuf is a villager.

[baudib]

Even at that, it seems like awfully fluff alignment talk to me.

that's how she plays.

she certainly doesn't PWN Ong in a pissing match as a wolf.

she's quadruple lock clear, better than a peek because peeks can be borked anyway.

[a500lbgorilla]

You're familiar with her, I'm not. I can't know a person before having some experiences with them.

And ong won that argument outright.

[JKDS]

Morning, ima copy my night notes here, then read through the thread for eevee and gator reads. Game should be in the bag, because i got 5 almost certainly villagers just from hoopys death.

BID points out hoopy + evene need to participate more. Neglects some players? 184
Hoopy defends Wuf 208
Baudib weird kinda post 346: If BID is also wolf, Baudib could be?
Hoopy Nulls the gator attack 350
Wufwugy HARD DEFENSE of hoopy. “never bold the hoopman, etc”
Shipit “Hoopy wolf, cuz reasons” 534
Baudib questioning hoopy as a wolf, 542. Would he really hard defend?
Shipit is first to vote him seriously 550, seems like a real post
Cory, hoopy villager for raisins 670
But…trying to figure him out still 691 (looks good to me)
Baudib again talking bout hoopy being hard to read 697
Ong talking about POE’ing hoopy at 699
Gator + BID talkin bout how they cant read hoops
Gabe wants to remove hoopy from lynch pool for raisins 813
Baudib 816 Hoopy could be anything
Gator throws in hoopy randomly in a “gabe/gator awesome” post 878
Hoopy wishy-washy on rascal as seer (lack of a plan from wolves) 924
Hoopy goes after kami 932 (deliberate, don’t think kami is a wolf here)
Baudib has hoopy in his top 3 wolves 945
ATTACKS hoopy 946. Pushes it later
Rilla doesn’t think anything of hoopy 988
Baud still pushing it 1002, 1006, 1007
Ship outta nowhere, hoopy 1037
Gator likes a hoopy lynch 1058
Baudib points out suspiciousness from gabe 1072 for dropping hoopy from a list
Ong not really saying anything about hoopy. Pushing rascal over hoopy. 1206 (TWTBAW?)
Monkey makes a weird post about lynching hoopy. Nothing really about hoops prior to this, said there was stuff questioning his villyness…weird post 1208
Ong weird post, aobut how Rascal is a wolf whatever hoopy flips. 1209
Ong REALLY defending hoopy. 1212, more likely to be seer than rascal
ong wants hoopy to arro 1219

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TLDR

Cleared

• Baudib: Pushing hoopy, seems pure
• SHipit
  
  • Suspicious of hoopy for raisins, votes him very early, b4 it’s a real wagon but at a good time
  
  
• Corey
  
  • (these two close together, before it looks like a wagon)
  
  
• Kami (hoopy’s only real vote, doesn’t seem like a bus)
  
  • Hoopy-Kami w/w would make that whole exchange of “fluff posting” fake. Seemed real
  
  
• Wufwugy
  
  • Made a hard defense of Hoopy “don’t lynch the hoopman, hes amazballs”. Weird for a wolf. So blatant.

Wolfy

• Rilla
• Gabe
• Ong
• Monkey

[Cory]

Kami is basically always a villager here

Take it from the people who know her

[Cory]

Lol I have wuf as a villager for that EXACT post JKDS. What a sick post if they are w/w.

[gabe]

im always a villager here. take it from me.



jkds you ignored all the villager facts about me

i also think me posting a lot makes me look worse. aiya

[gabe]

wait

i just realized we have the game locked up. so i dont need to defend myself. gg

[wufwugy]

wait

i just realized we have the game locked up. so i dont need to defend myself. gg

how so?

[OngBonga]

If rascal is the seer, I look really fucking wolfy trying to lynch the seer instead of the wolf. I'm a liability if I get to endgame because I could be presented as wolfy as fuck. It's a good job I'm not special.

I should eat the bullet tonight. I'm not joking. Don't waste the lynch on me though. More so because I can't be bothered to fight it if it happens.

[JKDS]

Evene stuff!

• Evene Attacks the traitor / tailor argument. Ong started it, villager points for ong 227
• Evene claims monkey, baudib, gabe corey are villagey. Rule of 3 = one a wolf?
• Cory doesn’t have feelings over evene’s catch up. Weird thing to say if they were w-w. Cleared harder 242
• BID asks Evene if Femaile, maybe means BID is villager since didn’t Den talk it?
• Baudib has a “Evene said this exact thing as a wolf in another game”. Cleared harder 332
• Shipit has a reads list with two wolves in the orange and red areas. More reason to clear him 541
• Gabe’s elimination list has 6 people left, two of which are hoopy and evene 813. Less suspicious
• Baudib makes a “like, .8 wolves on it” comment. Less cleared
• Baudib thinks evene villager for a while.
• Rilla voices how he wants to kill evene 988
• BID wants to kill evene 996
• But, even with all baudib’s defending, moves to hoopy after
• Gabe mixes up hoopy and evene? Or volunteers evene when unnecessary? Weird 1132

Villagers

• Baudib (defends evene for awhile, but likely not a wolf anyway. Also has good stuff attacking evene. Hoopy stuff too good. Still super cleared)
• Ship (super cleared)
• Corey (super cleared)
• Wuf
• Kami
• BID?

Wolves

• Rilla (wanted to kill evene, not much of a post though)
• Gabe (I don’t get 1132 at all)
• Ong (less suspicious cuz of tailor/traitor disagremenet with evene)
• Monkey

Baudib: "Gabe, how did you decide to elminate hoopy from contention?"

i never said he was in contention to be voted for. ive been on you the whole time. i didnt eliminate evene because i dont have much of an impression so far. i have no village lean for evene like i do for a lot of posters

[wufwugy]

god ong you're so fucking moody and self-deprecating.

several of us were right there with you on rascal, just we know the problem solves itself when left alone. ive done the exact thing you have because it feels wonderful to call bullshit on special claims.

he could still be the wolf. there are pathways for it. but it's unlikely.

[baudib]

I don't think BID hits on Evene ITT as W/W

[OngBonga]

wuf I still think he's the wolf but with every player that posts for the first time today, that becomes less and less likely. JKDS isn't the seer because he knows we've won if he is. That leaves kami and drew, right?

I'm just acknowledging the point cory is making. I worked hard to get rascal lynched instead of hoopy, and you know I'd have the balls to do that as a wolf. I think I'm obviously villager in my tone, but tone alone shouldn't cut it because I've village toned before as wolf. I don't want to get to final three after my close to d1, it's too risky.

[baudib]

I Wish for ITAs

Put Ong out of his misery

Don't say I never did anything for ya, I tried.

[OngBonga]

Also, I'm not moody at all. Just because I snapped at baudib, doesn't mean I'm any moodier than the next person. How often do you see me actually insult someone here? I think I'm just misunderstood in type. bikes would be the last person who actually pissed me off here, it's rare that I actually lose my cool.

[JKDS]

K last few things.

Gator's death may mean the last wolf is FTR. I feel like the wolves would be 100% angel hunting right now, but if they got into a toss up like "both an FTR and a New player could be angel" FTR would pick gator every time.

[OngBonga]

Seriously though if rascal is the seer then I don't want to get to final three after trying to lynch the seer instead of the wolf.

vig please shoot me tonight if there's a tonight, it will help with PoE immensely.

[wufwugy]

wuf I still think he's the wolf but with every player that posts for the first time today, that becomes less and less likely. JKDS isn't the seer because he knows we've won if he is. That leaves kami and drew, right?

I'm just acknowledging the point cory is making. I worked hard to get rascal lynched instead of hoopy, and you know I'd have the balls to do that as a wolf. I think I'm obviously villager in my tone, but tone alone shouldn't cut it because I've village toned before as wolf. I don't want to get to final three after my close to d1, it's too risky.

no ong you're not a wolf

[gabe]

jkds this is 1132...

i never said he was in contention to be voted for. ive been on you the whole time. i didnt eliminate evene because i dont have much of an impression so far. i have no village lean for evene like i do for a lot of posters

i did not mix up hoopy and evene.

hoopy was on my list but i was thought i was pretty clear on who i was trying to have killed. maybe subconciously i thought hoopy had done a little more village effort than evene or something

evene seemed good because they are new and hadnt done anything for the village.


also jkds i'm trying to disagree with you about last wolf being FTR but youre probably right

[gabe]

Seriously though if rascal is the seer then I don't want to get to final three after trying to lynch the seer instead of the wolf.

vig please shoot me tonight if there's a tonight, it will help with PoE immensely.

youre being crazy man

[OngBonga]

no ong you're not a wolf

I might be. I'm not so easy to read. Fuck you.

[OngBonga]

youre being crazy man

crazy is fun

[OngBonga]

It's not so crazy though. I'm just being realistic about this. I mean last thing we want is the vig shooting the angel. And last thing we want is a villager who insisted the seer is a wolf while a wolf gets wagonned getting to lylo. If I get that far as "obvious villager" the other villager will be paranoid, especially if the last wolf picks him well.

I am a liability at final three, regardless of how villagery I am right now.

[OngBonga]

lylo = lynch or lose for ftr'ers used to final three. I MS slipped there.

[JKDS]

jkds this is 1132...

i did not mix up hoopy and evene.

hoopy was on my list but i was thought i was pretty clear on who i was trying to have killed. maybe subconciously i thought hoopy had done a little more village effort than evene or something

evene seemed good because they are new and hadnt done anything for the village.


also jkds i'm trying to disagree with you about last wolf being FTR but youre probably right

Didnt you? You did it again today. Baudib is questioning you about it, you say

i said "hoopy wasnt in contention" because i wasnt going to vote for him. in my original list i said something like "i could take hoopy off my list" because hoopy hadnt done anything wolfy really, he just hadnt done anything villagery. so i wasnt confident on including him on such a list.

remember when everyone was sure i was a villager so i didnt have to try hard? take that into account and its all believable

Baudib questioning you about it yesturday, and you say

i never said he was in contention to be voted for. ive been on you the whole time. i didnt eliminate evene because i dont have much of an impression so far. i have no village lean for evene like i do for a lot of posters

LYNCH Gabe

[OngBonga]

rascal dooby doo, where are you

[OngBonga]

I'm going out and will be drunk when I'm back.

You've been warned. Wolf should just concede to avoid the shitfest.

[JKDS]

@ONG: The "real seer" should absolutely NOT counterclaim. I think rascal is incredibly likely to be a villager giving seer cover, somewhat likely to be the seer, and unlikely to be a wolf. Regardless, the wolves must kill him or risk getting a bunch of villagers cleared since the roleblocker is dead. Even if rascal isnt the seer, the actual seer is also clearing villagers.

Anyway you look at it, the wolves are absolutely fucked regardless of whether rascal is the seer, a lying vil, or a lying wolf.

[OngBonga]

Oh yeah there's a one in a billion chance that rascal is FPS'ing. How could I forget.

[gabe]

Didnt you?

no, i'm telling you i didnt. i was talking about hoopy, then i was talking about evene

[gabe]

jkds ive reread my posts a couple times. i did not mix up who i was talking about at any point. i could have added more bridgelike sentences but i didnt

[wufwugy]

i reread all of rilla's posts. he's the wolf. baud is right that he's off his game too much. while rilla could take a backseat in this crowd, he is doing even less than that. it's like the people in the back of the bus are talking about physics and rilla is sitting there yet not joining in the physics discussion but instead just commenting on tangentially related things.

plus he's begging us to kill him. dude hates wolfing so hard.

im really hoping day 2 goes for 20 pages. we can do this

Nah

lynch rilla

[JKDS]

Wolf is in here somewhere: Gabe, Rilla, Ong, Monkey, with wolfiest on the left. Monkey's only really on here cuz I dont see much on him one way or another.

[OngBonga]

JKDS, I assume the tailor can act on himself, which means any seer results cannot be relied upon. Unless luco intends to clarify that mechanic, then we should assume seer is no more than a named villager who can confirm himself only.

[Cory]

The tailor can self-tailor every night

Seer has zero use JKDS

[OngBonga]

rilla lynch is fine but cmon let's wait for rascal.

[wufwugy]

lol if the tailor can self tailor the correct move would be for him to destroy his buddies then cruise to confirmed vil victory

[OngBonga]

Seer has zero use JKDS

He's not quites as zero as vanilla. Seer is self confirming obv.

If rascal insist he's the seer, I believe him because I know he concedes as wolf.

[Cory]

This game isn't going to f3

This game isn't going to d3 ffs

Believe in me and believe in the me that believes in you

[OngBonga]

Anyway, fuck this shit.

Cider and fire awaits.

[Cory]

He's not quites as zero as vanilla. Seer is self confirming obv.

If rascal insist he's the seer, I believe him because I know he concedes as wolf.

"Named villager"

Which is nice, sure