Sep 2015 Werewolf - Game thread

[Cory]

I may be hoping Evene is a villager because she's probably the only sane person in this game besides me.

[Cory]

BankItDrew

WINNER OF CRUNKUS AWARD 2015

[baudib]

SIU either will destroy the game D1-D2 and we'll be in good shape or the game will be total AIDS on D3-4 and we can kill him around then.

[GatorJH]

Gator specifically has enough posts where I think I could have a read on him but not really feeling great so he gets to be on the list in grey but whether he's a wolf is a mystery to me

Welcome to my gameplay.

[baudib]

ilu and all, forgot to mention how nice it was to VV in the Disney AIDS game, but you know you have your emo meltdowns.

[baudib]

It MAY be that we should totally ignore SIU and Kami's reads on each other.

IS THE WORLD EVEN REAL ANYMORE

[Cory]

I like a lynch around here:

SuperMonkeyFace
Wuf
Kami
Shipitup
Evene

hm

[baudib]

IS THE WORLD EVEN REAL ANYMORE part deux

I agree with everything Ong said in posts 656-657

[OngBonga]

I just scanned through the thread to look at drew's posts. I think he's a wolf. Here's why...

drew is agreeing with me and talking to me as though I'm a villager. This would be fair enough if he actually said he was townreading me. Drew is actually the only person who has an accurate read on me, and he's somewhat proud of himself for it. He's nailed my alignment early on for probably over a year now. Where is his bragging here? Where does he remind us how sick a read he has on me and tells us all I'm a villager? He doesn't. Yet he's agreeing with me and whatnot.

That said, I'm reluctant to lynch him d1. He only ever flips seer when he dies before d2, I fucking swear it.

[Cory]

ilu and all, forgot to mention how nice it was to VV in the Disney AIDS game, but you know you have your emo meltdowns.

I am mostly trolling

Tom's the only person that actually is capable of getting under my skin afaict because he's one of the few players I show deference to

[Cory]

I will yell at you when I'm a villager and you call me a wolf in any game, LDO

That's not a "meltdown", that's my job, but you went and killed monstrman anyway you dingus factory

[baudib]

I am mostly trolling

Tom's the only person that actually is capable of getting under my skin afaict because he's one of the few players I show deference to

that time you spite-lynched Zdye was special

sorry <3

[GatorJH]

Have you ever played against a strong villager that cares more about people being villagery than wolf short-term "town equity" earners like bussing and toan?

Do you consider yourself a good villager?

I don't think I am as good of a villager as I get credit for, and while some of the early posting was annoying I have already come to enjoy the way you guys look at the game.

Also, part of my villager problem is I rolled wolf like 8 games in a row so I kinda forgot how to honestly try to find wolves instead of making up stories.

[Cory]

that time you spite-lynched Zdye was special

sorry <3

He specifically told me to, so I did

I was still a villager and I wanted to lynch QQ but nobody would let me because he was "peeked" by non-seer XKF and QQ was, gasp, the wolf poisoner.

Town was never winning that game

[Cory]

IS THE WORLD EVEN REAL ANYMORE part deux

I agree with everything Ong said in posts 656-657

he's my #2 villa by a far margin and notepad agrees

Spoiler: Show

Ongbong

+ early voter, paranoid of Gator (#36)
#37 kind of doofy but might be villagery?
+ push on an obvious villager who will fight back (#51)
+ skeptical of Gator #63
+ like his take on rilla (#68)
+ good take on Monkey (#87)
+ love this guy (#305)

is there any reason you do not LOVE THE ONGBONGA

he seems like a pretty smart chap

[Cory]

I don't think I am as good of a villager as I get credit for, and while some of the early posting was annoying I have already come to enjoy the way you guys look at the game.

Also, part of my villager problem is I rolled wolf like 8 games in a row so I kinda forgot how to honestly try to find wolves instead of making up stories.

Okay

If you are a villager can you do your best to help me resolve the following slots:

Wuf
Rilla
Hoopy

As in what you expect from them as a villager and what you expect from them as a wolf?

[baudib]

He specifically told me to, so I did

I was still a villager and I wanted to lynch QQ but nobody would let me because he was "peeked" by non-seer XKF and QQ was, gasp, the wolf poisoner.

Town was never winning that game

yeah i think you guys coulda had 3 extra lynches and not won.

[GatorJH]

I just scanned through the thread to look at drew's posts. I think he's a wolf. Here's why...

drew is agreeing with me and talking to me as though I'm a villager. This would be fair enough if he actually said he was townreading me. Drew is actually the only person who has an accurate read on me, and he's somewhat proud of himself for it. He's nailed my alignment early on for probably over a year now. Where is his bragging here? Where does he remind us how sick a read he has on me and tells us all I'm a villager? He doesn't. Yet he's agreeing with me and whatnot.

That said, I'm reluctant to lynch him d1. He only ever flips seer when he dies before d2, I fucking swear it.

Ong, here is my problem with you tunneling someone. You go into it with a perceived notion and then fit their narrative to meet your notion. You did it the last game with baudib and it distracted the village to the point where rascal almost skated to victory. When you deep dive on someone go into it with an open mind, not a pre-conceived notion.

[OngBonga]

I think gator is a very difficult wolf to spot, but is isn't so hard to spot as a villager. I know that kinda sounds illogical, but he manages to do the right things as wolf to stay alive, and usually on d1 that involves not getting drawn into conflict. Here, he's making too many enemies early on, which isn't in his long term interests. He's not thinking long term. He's trying to find wolves.

I think I can read gator, but the test comes next time he's a wolf. If he's a wolf here, then I can't read him, at least not this early.

[Cory]

I think gator is a very difficult wolf to spot, but is isn't so hard to spot as a villager. I know that kinda sounds illogical, but he manages to do the right things as wolf to stay alive, and usually on d1 that involves not getting drawn into conflict. Here, he's making too many enemies early on, which isn't in his long term interests. He's not thinking long term. He's trying to find wolves.

It doesn't sound illogical at all, in fact it sounds exactly like me

[OngBonga]

Ong, here is my problem with you tunneling someone. You go into it with a perceived notion and then fit their narrative to meet your notion. You did it the last game with baudib and it distracted the village to the point where rascal almost skated to victory. When you deep dive on someone go into it with an open mind, not a pre-conceived notion.

Well, I was looking to see if he did actually say anything about me. Had he done so, I'd have probably town read him. I had an open mind as I read his posts. He seems otherwise villager, but it's definitely worthy of note that he's failed to townread me while agreeing with my points, considering his track record of successfully reading me.

[baudib]

I don't know how anyone makes a read on Hoopy ever.

I remember my first game here and I was a wolf defending Hoopy when everyone wanted to lynch him.

[baudib]

I don't think Gator does this big brother bit as a wolf btw.

[OngBonga]

I swear hoopy always gets PoE'd when he's a wolf.

[Cory]

I don't know how anyone makes a read on Hoopy ever.

I remember my first game here and I was a wolf defending Hoopy when everyone wanted to lynch him.

'
The problem with players like this is that they still rand wolf now and then, and I see too many ~balanced-range players get randomly defended (by villagers, even!) for being acting like themselves when it's pretty much their wolf range

I'm pretty much never down to let people skate regardless of their personality and/or meta

Regardless I want to lynch between BID/Rascal/Rilla today but not sure which just it, let me chew on it

[Cory]

In the ~15% that this is the exact wolfteam (I've done it before!) I will accept nothing less than fellatio from every one of you post-game

[baudib]

yeah I think BID/Rascal for sure, I can totally see Rilla as a wolf here and he should be uber easy to read as a villager when he is one. But I'd hold off on him for now.

I don't like how SMF has totally fallen off a cliff today.

[Cory]

Rescind whoever
Vote Lilrascal

Is this correct vote formatting babidi

[baudib]

In the ~15% that this is the exact wolfteam (I've done it before!) I will accept nothing less than fellatio from every one of you post-game

glgl

I POed the wolf team in post 60 in that May game. it's a good read.

[baudib]

Rescind whoever
Vote Lilrascal

Is this correct vote formatting babidi

[ b] lynch rascal [/b]

[Cory]

SIU has more posts than me and I think that's sort of amazing

[GatorJH]

Okay

If you are a villager can you do your best to help me resolve the following slots:

Wuf
Rilla
Hoopy

As in what you expect from them as a villager and what you expect from them as a wolf?

Let me see what I can do here, even though i haven't read their posts this game (just got home from work).

Wuf - posts too much to be successful as a wolf but stated before this game that he was going to change that up, even if it meant getting lynched early a few games in a row. I would expect wolf wuf to hold that line pretty well, but villager wuf would fall back into normal posting mode. Also reads too much into random shit which murkies some of his good finds. You REALLY have to read through his posts to find the gold as a villager, but that gold is easier to see when he is a wolf.


Rilla - Really good at reading tone and finding wolves through their disingenuous attempts to find wolves among villagers. I don't remember a game where he was a wolf, but I would expect the tone reading to fall closer to the disingenuous side than genuine.

Hoopy - Very methodical in his thought process so while his early game reads may not be great his late game reads are pretty spot on. Doesn't read tone as much as he puts pieces of the puzzle together around late D2 - early D3. Pretty tone neutral as a wolf so pretty hard to spot.

[Cory]

Oh I must have erased Drew by accident

If you could do Drew too I will give you a gold star and I don't give those out easy

[OngBonga]

This one will be amusing.

[BankItDrew]

Does BID constantly use ellipses in both roles?

Very good question. I have no idea. Maybe someone else does though but I dunno...

Do you think the wolves actually thought baudib was a serious conceivable wagon at this point? He was @ 4 with no other serious wagon atp

IDK what to do with this guy, he's a wolf or his thought process is going to make him a hilarious liability

I might just hope he's a wolf

At the point of baudibs wagon, yes I thought it was a legit wagon. I mean, he had 4 votes on him and the player behind him had only one.

You think I'm either a wolf or a hilarious liability? WELCOME TO FTR WEREWOLF. hahahaha You're thoughts are shared among many here.

you are probably right that two people i am pushing as wolves are villagers after coming in and barely browsing and having someone agree with you about

but remember that's what they could be going for as wolves!

fair enough

I just scanned through the thread to look at drew's posts. I think he's a wolf. Here's why...

drew is agreeing with me and talking to me as though I'm a villager. This would be fair enough if he actually said he was townreading me. Drew is actually the only person who has an accurate read on me, and he's somewhat proud of himself for it. He's nailed my alignment early on for probably over a year now. Where is his bragging here? Where does he remind us how sick a read he has on me and tells us all I'm a villager? He doesn't. Yet he's agreeing with me and whatnot.

That said, I'm reluctant to lynch him d1. He only ever flips seer when he dies before d2, I fucking swear it.

You're a villager >90% of the time. Sorry I'm late...

Okay

If you are a villager can you do your best to help me resolve the following slots:

Wuf
Rilla
Hoopy

As in what you expect from them as a villager and what you expect from them as a wolf?

I'll answer this:

wuf - as a villager, he talks about himself all the fucking time. However, as a wolf, he only talks about himself in maybe 80% of his posts. He's also very very active in both roles, so it's unfortunate that he's busy irl during this game.
rilla - one of the best quality:quantity posters. As a villager, he hunts wolves well. As a wolf, he hunts wolves well.
Hoopy - IDK... I've never gathered a good read on either him nor JKDS for some reason.

Ong, here is my problem with you tunneling someone. You go into it with a perceived notion and then fit their narrative to meet your notion. You did it the last game with baudib and it distracted the village to the point where rascal almost skated to victory. When you deep dive on someone go into it with an open mind, not a pre-conceived notion.

This should be ongs signature. he would greatly benefit from it.

To be fair, ong hasn't tunneled anyone yet this game, albeit D1.

FYI my epic soulread I have on him is 100% tone, so him playing differently as far as tactics are concerned does not affect my read.

[GatorJH]

Oh I must have erased Drew by accident

If you could do Drew too I will give you a gold star and I don't give those out easy

Drew spends too much time focusing on the wrong shit which makes him look wolfy even when he is a villager. It's almost like he is trying to find the most obscure reason for someone to be a wolf so in the cases where he is right he can go all "Damn I'm Good!!". He is another one I don't remember as a wolf too much, but iirc, his obscurity ends up more to the mainstream types of reads.

[baudib]

I think that a major feature of BID's villager style is he makes very crisp posts, short posts that are easy to understand and sometimes have sharp observations included.

In that hotshots game I remember telling him he should stop overexplaining in his posts because he doesn't do that as a villager. I feel like this post is something I'd expect from him as a wolf.

I see what you're getting at but just because someone is putting in an effort - does not mean they are putting together a "trick".

D1 is such a hilar crapshoot that I don't anyone can actually pin down someone at a high rate of success.

I've fallen victim to being lynched D1 many times in the past solely based on "bid is different this game." Most of the time, the village was wrong and I was a villager. However, I do see the merit in it because of how little we have to go on.

Take rilla for example, I know it's only been like 24hrs irl into D1 but he's nowhere to be seen. > rando wolf
baudib and ong are baudib and ong. Their balancing in this game is great as far as post count goes. Ong sucks at being tone consitent tho lol ... No wolfy vibes from either.

rascal and wuf are using irl excuses for their lack of content, albeit wuf stated prior to the game (which is a solid strat even if irl is not busy). Anyways, both are > rando wolf.

I never have a read on JKDS. Ever. Fuck him.

Hoopy and evene need to participate more.

I have zero reads on the other new players and I'm sure I've missed many...

Hoopy noted the bolded part above. This doesn't really make sense because obviously being busy is role neutral and both have been saying these things for several games now.

I admit I was grasping at straws when trying to sling pasta at a sticky wall.

^^ this a lot of metaphors

the problem I see is that it's the opposite of throwing pasta at a wall. in this long post, it's by far his strongest stance.

[BankItDrew]

This one will be amusing.

stfu

[BankItDrew]

Drew spends too much time focusing on the wrong shit which makes him look wolfy even when he is a villager. It's almost like he is trying to find the most obscure reason for someone to be a wolf so in the cases where he is right he can go all "Damn I'm Good!!". He is another one I don't remember as a wolf too much, but iirc, his obscurity ends up more to the mainstream types of reads.

I was sharing a hand history with a friend today about a live game I was playing last night. He's a very successful player whom I admire and respect. We came to this exact same conclusion in that I play retarded because I'm constantly thinking to myself "This would look hella cool on TV".

[Cory]

Well if you are a villager I prefer winning this game to basking in your hilarious antics

If you're a wolf keep it up :thumb:

[BankItDrew]

I think that a major feature of BID's villager style is he makes very crisp posts, short posts that are easy to understand and sometimes have sharp observations included.

In that hotshots game I remember telling him he should stop overexplaining in his posts because he doesn't do that as a villager. I feel like this post is something I'd expect from him as a wolf.



Hoopy noted the bolded part above. This doesn't really make sense because obviously being busy is role neutral and both have been saying these things for several games now.



^^ this a lot of metaphors

the problem I see is that it's the opposite of throwing pasta at a wall. in this long post, it's by far his strongest stance.

WW is frustrating for obvious reasons. Add to that, the constant ridicule I receive. This makes me want to change my game somewhat.

So it's a catch 22. I'm ridiculed for playing lazy. Then when I make a post with effort, players then get on my case about how I must be a wolf because I put effort into the game.

[BankItDrew]

So I basically have to play like a retard forever or get lynched hahahaha

[baudib]

I might prefer Wuf to Drew as a wagon but it's close.


Rascal 45%
Wufwugy 40%
BiD 37%
Rilla 35%
Hoopy 25%
JKDS 24%
Evene 22%
Gator 18%
Kami 16%
Gabe 12%
SuperMonkey 10%
Ship 9%
Ong 4%
Cory 3%

[baudib]

So I basically have to play like a retard forever or get lynched hahahaha

this is not at all what I've been saying

[BankItDrew]

this is not at all what I've been saying

I don't think very highly of myself.

[baudib]

like throwing pasta at the wall would be this:

"It'd be pretty sick if Kami and Ship were W/W and planned that little fight & makeup session. I could see them doing that and pulling it off."

compared to

Wuf and Rascal are > rando wolf

[Cory]

So I basically have to play like a retard forever or get lynched hahahaha

This is the opposite of the truth

[Cory]

I might prefer Wuf to Drew as a wagon but it's close.


Rascal 45%
Wufwugy 40%
BiD 37%
Rilla 35%
Hoopy 25%
JKDS 24%
Evene 22%
Gator 18%
Kami 16%
Gabe 12%
SuperMonkey 10%
Ship 9%
Ong 4%
Cory 3%

Does this equal 300

If not the remaining percentage is you WOLF

[Cory]

equals 321 but i'm bad at math

Wolfy

[Cory]

Drew I am going to strike you a deal

Don't be a doofus and play your best goddamn villager game for this game. I mean play with some URGENCY. There are people in this group of fifteen trying to kill all of us and some of these bubs are my frands so I'm gonna be real mad if we just let them die. If you're just going to sit back and let it happen how are you any better than them?

IDK about your "I have to act like a retard" meta. I promise you that if I can see the GEARS TURNING in your head and the lightbulbs coming on, I will protect you from the savages for as long as my selective lifespan is during this game, and I know you're probably like "who the fuck is this new guy" but I promise you that I am king upon king of white knights and I never let one of my heroes fall.

Ball is in your court friendo

[baudib]

did you really just use "friendo" and "frands" in the same post, while also using a ALL CAPS ITALICS?


​GOT ONE, BOYS

[Cory]

ah, the old "can't keep a consistent friendo/frands" narrative

the oldest tell in the book

[baudib]

Rilla looks bad in ISO IMO.

Commentary mode isn't unusual for Villa Rilla, but usually he'd have one of those "out of his wolf range" posts by now.

[MadMojoMonkey]

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
|| VOTE COUNT ||
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

player (votes) || who's voting for them

rascal (4) || baudib, Cory, Kami, ship

baudib (3) || BID, gabe, gator

Gator (1) || Evene
JKDS (1) || SMF
Kami (1) || rilla
ong (1) || wuf
SMF (1) || JKDS
wuf (1) || ong

no vote (2) || Hoopy, rascal

8 to lynch. Please notify me if you spot an error in the VC.

Day 1 ends in a while.... on Friday.

Spoiler: Show

No one has died.

[GatorJH]

rescind I will look at the thread tomorrow

[ShipItUp]

SIU has more posts than me and I think that's sort of amazing

*eats bamboo*

[ShipItUp]

like throwing pasta at the wall would be this:

"It'd be pretty sick if Kami and Ship were W/W and planned that little fight & makeup session. I could see them doing that and pulling it off."

compared to

Wuf and Rascal are > rando wolf

Pfff waaaat we would never do that (hopes baudi didn't read the hydra game)

[Kami]

lynch cory

[baudib]

Pfff waaaat we would never do that (hopes baudi didn't read the hydra game)

that's actually one of the games I didn't follow at all but everything I hear about it makes me think I should for the lols

[Cory]

lynch cory

it is too late kami you cannot stop me

[Kami]

cory legit undercover woof

[Cory]

that's actually one of the games I didn't follow at all but everything I hear about it makes me think I should for the lols

it was pretty bad

i was a wolf and idr how we even won, we got wrekt pretty hard

i think some villagers modkilled themselves and we had mets by the balls long enough to win at MYLO with the hulbuddies

SIU pretty GOAT

[Cory]

cory legit undercover woof

don't be a hero bub

remember the principle of correct reads > incorrect reads

[baudib]

sounds fun

My last vanilla game on 2+2 was Aids and a half, I think I'm only playing mashes and turbos there, and play vanillas here.

I legit don't think I can be a good wolf anymore, my villager game has changed so much I don't know how I'd pull off this style as a wolf.

[Kami]

i always hero

even if im wrong im the hero

[Cory]

I remember you being a high-functioning wolf volume wise but that you had trouble duplicating your mindset

Same thing I struggle with but I can coast on my weird charm as a wolf for long enough to kill all the relatively competent players

But I won't play werewolf at POG as long as the Rogue Monkey dictatorship is in effect, it just doesn't feel safe anymore

[Cory]

i always hero

even if im wrong im the hero

please do not annoy me for your amusement, i already have players like Drew to annoy me and my work schedule is a monster during the end of summer so i have IRL stress to deal with (and take out on all of you, LDO)

just a warning bub

[Cory]

hero JKDS imo

he's one of those "i like some of his posts but not his breadth of content" players that could always be wolves

[Cory]

okay good talk

goodnight sloots

[baudib]

It's kind of a shame because I'll probably never play in a Benneh modded game.

Kami-SIU-Cory as W/W/W sounds amazeballs.

[Kami]

the POG mods r cancer tbh

[Kami]

fight me cory LOL

[baudib]

If Wufwugy were still alive he'd really enjoy this game.

RIP Wuf

[baudib]

Hmm, these are posts that I don't think Wolf BID makes very often.

I've only played on my phone this game and yet am destroying you in quality/quantity.

I actually don't think baudib and Cory are wolves together >5% of the time. There is just no way baudib defends his baddie like this.

[lilrascal]

Just got to the hotel.

It's been a really long day and I don't have time to catch up right now.

Lynch Kami

I said I would policy lynch her if she kept up her trolling like she did last game. She's starting it again this game, so she's earned my policy lynch vote until she changes her ways.