Sep 2015 Werewolf - Game thread

[ShipItUp]

oh snap i forgot to vote him in that post lol

MY CHECKLIST IS A FRAUD

a500lbgorilla

[BankItDrew]

I like a lynch around here:

SuperMonkeyFace
Wuf
Kami
Shipitup
Evene

Everyone in this list are players whom few from FTR understand.

[ShipItUp]

the internet is just full of personalities

If you could actually play the game instead of making useless posts like this I'd appreciate it

I kinda hate fluff tbh

[a500lbgorilla]

A lot of throwaway noise in this thread.

bustafooliganism

:thumb:

[a500lbgorilla]

Everyone in this list are players whom few from FTR understand.

Yeah, part of the reason I'd like to lynch them.

[ShipItUp]

If I'm seer I peeked cory villager
If I'm not seer the real seer should peek cory because he's going to win if he's a wolf if you don't.

[BankItDrew]

If I'm not seer the real seer should peek cory because he's going to win if he's a wolf if you don't.

Your logic says Village only wins if Cory is killed.

[BankItDrew]

*Or seered

[ShipItUp]

get an avatar, you shitty werewolf player...

Whatever my action is tonight. I'll probably use it on baudib. I should note, it will not be a kill action

Corey makes a good observation about baudib already:

Baudib hopes to target the tailor early. With 15 players in this game, it's going to be more of a bonus on top of lynching a wolf. it's sooooo much of a crapshoot early on.

Baudib wolfy
corey villagery
corey looking like dhubs 2.0 with his green posts

Something to keep in mind with this post is that he points out the error in baudi's thinking but doesn't then connect that error to being wolfy. Wolves have a tendency to do things like this because they are trying to force reasons to push villagers and believe that it will be perceived that incorrect logic like baudi had in his original post will be perceived as wolfy.

[baudib]

baudi why did you assume that I knew there was a post restriction on me yesterday?
and even if i did know about it how would it have been wolfy for me to spam posts? do you think i'm afraid to post as a wolf? pretty sure you know I'm not.

because it was mentioned in the signup thread probably 5 times?

I don't know what you are trying to say in blue.

is everyone in this game intentionally not making sense?

[BankItDrew]

I am trying to figure out what SIU means by the seer Cory thing...

All I can guess is that he respects his game a tonne

[baudib]

If I'm seer I peeked cory villager
If I'm not seer the real seer should peek cory because he's going to win if he's a wolf if you don't.

decline

[baudib]

Something to keep in mind with this post is that he points out the error in baudi's thinking but doesn't then connect that error to being wolfy. Wolves have a tendency to do things like this because they are trying to force reasons to push villagers and believe that it will be perceived that incorrect logic like baudi had in his original post will be perceived as wolfy.

I'm still sorta leaning toward BiD just being big pile of AIDS.

[ShipItUp]

Lol got excited and forgot to respond to the other quote, thought the fact that Monkey felt the need to clarify it wasn't a killing action felt overly defensive and unnecessary, like he was preemptively trying to take the fire out of a post that called him out for that. That being said I wouldn't expect a wolf to come out in their first post and soft claim pr so he gets villa points for that.

[Cory]

HOME FROM WORK

Playing on a new forum is fun I feel like I have artistic freedom

[ShipItUp]

get an avatar, you shitty werewolf player...

Whatever my action is tonight. I'll probably use it on baudib. I should note, it will not be a kill action

because it was mentioned in the signup thread probably 5 times?

I don't know what you are trying to say in blue.

is everyone in this game intentionally not making sense?

Does this look like the face of a panda who reads signup threads baudi?

[a500lbgorilla]

So here's the situation. For all the FTR guys, our familiarity over the years has lead us to playing a game where we ignore mechanics in favor of interpersonal knowledge, while these cookies have been burning through turbos and 1000 mans to develop mechanically sounder game play.

It's like watching oil and water mix right now.

[ShipItUp]

lol why tf does it keep quoting those posts

[baudib]

so the Captcha thing just lasts for 5 posts and there's no actual post limit?

[Cory]

If I'm not seer the real seer should peek cory because he's going to win if he's a wolf if you don't.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm still sorta leaning toward BiD just being big pile of AIDS.

See, familiarity.

[ShipItUp]

Your logic says Village only wins if Cory is killed.

No, it says that the village only wins if cory is killed as a wolf, which will be very difficult to do considering he's a very good wolf.

decline

When did you start getting the impression you could read everyone baudi? I miss old indecisive turbo baudi, bring him back plz.

[baudib]

So here's the situation. For all the FTR guys, our familiarity over the years has lead us to playing a game where we ignore mechanics in favor of interpersonal knowledge, while these cookies have been burning through turbos and 1000 mans to develop mechanically sounder game play.

It's like watching oil and water mix right now.

this is a fair observation but does nothing to help anyone determine anyone's alignment, particularly your own.

[Cory]

baudib you used be such a tinfoil mongoose

have you been LIFTING in your absence from POG

[BankItDrew]

See, familiarity.

I lol'd irl

dick

[baudib]

No, it says that the village only wins if cory is killed as a wolf, which will be very difficult to do considering he's a very good wolf.

When did you start getting the impression you could read everyone baudi? I miss old indecisive turbo baudi, bring him back plz.

have you ever seen villager Cory get lynched? I think it may have literally never happened.

[ShipItUp]

baudi you're prolly a villager, your early stuff on me was still super bad tho.

[baudib]

baudib you used be such a tinfoil mongoose

have you been LIFTING in your absence from POG

it's early, almost nothing is going on, the day is loooong

I'm locking in my handful of solid reads (3?) as irreversible stone-cold truth (until proven otherwise)

[BankItDrew]

this is a fair observation but does nothing to help anyone determine anyone's alignment, particularly your own.

rillas post you are referencing here was one of my favorite posts in this game so far, even though it was simply a 3rd party perspective on the game.

don't read into it

[baudib]

baudi you're prolly a villager, your early stuff on me was still super bad tho.

your early stuff was bad

[Cory]

have you ever seen villager Cory get lynched? I think it may have literally never happened.

I've played about ~300 long games and been a villager in 200+ of them.

I have been mislynched once, at LYLO in a game in 2014: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...night-1481441/

It invoked a pretty great deal of trauma

Still leaves my mislynch rate as a villager at about 0.5%

But some of that is because I die n1-n2 so very often

[ShipItUp]

have you ever seen villager Cory get lynched? I think it may have literally never happened.

He doesn't get lynched as a wolf very often either, which is why he's the correct peek.

He's also like 10-1 on pog as a wolf, so best to clarify that he isn't one. None of the rando's in this game look like they're future soah's so seeing very little reason to not peek cory. Peeking me or Kami is fine as well I guess, but only if Kami doesn't make it obvious she's a villager like she did in Disney. I'll let you know.

[Cory]

SIU run me off a list of players who are villagers

Show some CONFIDENCE with it like you're doing it to posture post-game

[baudib]

rillas post you are referencing here was one of my favorite posts in this game so far, even though it was simply a 3rd party perspective on the game.

don't read into it

I'm not reading into it, I'm making Rilla fully aware of that fact that I know he is saying shit that has not utility to the village whatsoever.

Since you're here Rilla, IMO this is the wolfiest post in this game by A LOT

His follow-up post where he distances himself from your villager lean on him is another one of those things that people read as very villagery.

Drop enough of those nuggets in your posts and you can buy yourself some protection from getting lynched.

[ShipItUp]

your early stuff was bad

No it wasn't, just because your meta reads suck on me doesn't make my posts bad.

[baudib]

He doesn't get lynched as a wolf very often either, which is why he's the correct peek.

He's also like 10-1 on pog as a wolf, so best to clarify that he isn't one. None of the rando's in this game look like they're future soah's so seeing very little reason to not peek cory. Peeking me or Kami is fine as well I guess, but only if Kami doesn't make it obvious she's a villager like she did in Disney. I'll let you know.

I wouldn't peek Kami either, unless you want to make the wolves kill her.

[baudib]

No it wasn't, just because your meta reads suck on me doesn't make my posts bad.

no, your posts were independently bad. also, my meta reads don't suck.

[ShipItUp]

SIU run me off a list of players who are villagers

Show some CONFIDENCE with it like you're doing it to posture post-game

I will when I've read the game.

And Cory you should know at this point I posture in post-game whether I show confidence in my reads or not. Post game fellatio is why I play ww.

[Cory]

I would argue that I'm a generally suboptimal peek because my villager lifespan is extraordinarily low but I don't feel like getting into that argument in a new forum

Do as you please

Game is pretty low content so I'll fire up a notepad and see where I'm at

[ShipItUp]

I wouldn't peek Kami either, unless you want to make the wolves kill her.

Nah it's okay, I'll protect bae. Not gonna let the bad men get her obv.

no, your posts were independently bad. also, my meta reads don't suck.

If they led you to believe I was a wolf they suck.

[Cory]

And Cory you should know at this point I posture in post-game whether I show confidence in my reads or not. Post game fellatio is why I play ww.

I remember looking at the Disney game and you had a list of like 15 players on your village list and it contained exactly one wolf (Stork IIRC)

LMK when you've read up, I'm going to read everything now

[ShipItUp]

get an avatar, you shitty werewolf player...

Whatever my action is tonight. I'll probably use it on baudib. I should note, it will not be a kill action

Your logic says Village only wins if Cory is killed.

I wouldn't peek Kami either, unless you want to make the wolves kill her.

I would argue that I'm a generally suboptimal peek because my villager lifespan is extraordinarily low but I don't feel like getting into that argument in a new forum

Do as you please

Game is pretty low content so I'll fire up a notepad and see where I'm at

Clear me you won't

[ShipItUp]

I remember looking at the Disney game and you had a list of like 15 players on your village list and it contained exactly one wolf (Stork IIRC)

LMK when you've read up, I'm going to read everything now

Is that supposed to be good?

[ShipItUp]

Fuck Stork for being a wolf and ruining my perfection btw, gonna spite kill him asap in our next game.

Ughhh and now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I had him as a wolf early which makes that even more tilting.

[ShipItUp]

God damnit man I just love the hell out of this panda.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm not reading into it, I'm making Rilla fully aware of that fact that I know he is saying shit that has not utility to the village whatsoever.

Since you're here Rilla, IMO this is the wolfiest post in this game by A LOT

I've gotta meet some new people before I can get a sense of the village composition.

And the post is a pretty straightforward observation.

[a500lbgorilla]

There is so much noise.

[ShipItUp]

If Gator is a wolf baudi is spewed ridiculously clear just based on the first 30 posts alone.

[Cory]

Is that supposed to be good?

It was pretty good for like a list you made five hours into the game or something lol

[ShipItUp]

*35!

[ShipItUp]

It was pretty good for like a list you made five hours into the game or something lol

oh neat, go me.

[ShipItUp]

Yeah I still think Gator saying traitor instead of tailor early is kinda villagery, I probably shouldn't but I do. Feel like a wolf rarely unintentionally makes that mistake or thinks to intentionally make it to derp clear themselves.

[ShipItUp]

gator pretending to have not read the role clearly enough to know it's tailor, not traitor. Coming from gator, this could be a deliberate derp designed to make it look like he's not the tailor. I would expect gator to have read the roles, as either alignment. I think we might have found the tailor already.

This is pretty awful, like, why are you automatically assuming he made the mistake intentionally? to be clear i don't currently think this is wolfy just pointing out that the logic is flawed.

[BankItDrew]

There is so much noise.

Yeah, these new players are kind of annoying so far.

[baudib]

Ship, do you realize that telling the real seer to peek Cory undermines the equity of you fakepeeking him?

[ShipItUp]

The traitor?

How is it that 'the great' gator derps like this?

rescind baudib
lynch gator

Yeah this is the second time in the first 50 posts that he's voted someone without the reasoning actually lining up with it being a wolf read.

BankItDrew

[Cory]

Ship, do you realize that telling the real seer to peek Cory undermines the equity of you fakepeeking him?

Think about this for a second from the perspective of SIU being the seer and you'll laugh at yourself

I mean I'm obv. the seer LDO but I'll peek myself JIC

[ShipItUp]

Ship, do you realize that telling the real seer to peek Cory undermines the equity of you fakepeeking him?

If the wolves assume that the seer will listen to someone who is likely a random person whose role they aren't sure of then yes, it would.

[baudib]

Nah it's okay, I'll protect bae. Not gonna let the bad men get her obv.

If they led you to believe I was a wolf they suck.

1. why does she need protecting? do you know she's a villager?
2. Like I intentionally and purposes stated I wouldn't talk about your meta so what the hell are you even saying?

If you think I suck at reading you, well, I don't know what to tell you. You're wrong.

[a500lbgorilla]

OB, Baud, BID are villagers.

[a500lbgorilla]

Different tone in the top and bottom portions of this post is pinging me, makes it seem like the top wasn't genuine.

1)I've made similar posts as a villager before
2)You know I've made similar posts as a villager before because you copied an opener I did like that
3)The fact that I posted in a certain way in one of my 60 turbo wolf games isn't really relevant. Especially considering the fact I've done it as a villa as well.

Baudi can't read me and considering you have no knowledge of our history there is no way you should be confident enough in that to vote me. You're just playing guess work which is hypocritical considering you're pushing me for a weak vote.

This is reaching pretty hard

This is the kinda stuff that I mean about mechanically sound. Someone calls a post by you wolfy, counter that you've done it as a villager to brush it off their mind. Reassert that they can't read you, anyway.

[Cory]

That's pretty SIU

He does that in either alignment

So he's technically correct, the best form of correct

[ShipItUp]

Yeah, these new players are kind of annoying so far.

oldmanyellsatcloud.jpeg

[Cory]

Tips for reading SIU:

Spoiler: Show

[baudib]

That panda face would be cuter if it weren't warped.

I like your 2+2 avatar a ton though.

[ShipItUp]

get an avatar, you shitty werewolf player...

Whatever my action is tonight. I'll probably use it on baudib. I should note, it will not be a kill action

Your logic says Village only wins if Cory is killed.

I wouldn't peek Kami either, unless you want to make the wolves kill her.

1. why does she need protecting? do you know she's a villager?
2. Like I intentionally and purposes stated I wouldn't talk about your meta so what the hell are you even saying?

If you think I suck at reading you, well, I don't know what to tell you. You're wrong.

Yeah I'm a wolf and just slipped, SIU confirmed sloppy.

What do you think my role is right now?

[baudib]

Yeah I'm a wolf and just slipped, SIU confirmed sloppy.

What do you think my role is right now?

I'm reserving judgment.

[ShipItUp]

That panda face would be cuter if it weren't warped.

I like your 2+2 avatar a ton though.

Baudi that's rude af, my panda can't control how its face looks and to call it warped is just outta line. Especially because when he gets upset he starts stress eating bamboo and I don't want to have to worry about long term obesity issues with him.

[baudib]

SIU the thing I don't get about you is why your turbo game doesn't translate directly to longer games.

like, of all the better players who turbo a lot, I would think yours does and I haven't seen evidence of it in the mashes we've played.

Why do you think that is? What makes your approach/mentality different?

This isn't a knock on you or anything, I'm just trying to get into your head.

[baudib]

^^ as a villager

wolfing in turbos is a lot different obviously.

[a500lbgorilla]

Gabe's not a wolf either.

[ShipItUp]

I see baudi got the haters UPSET early, that's what I like to see. Keep up the good work my friend.

[OngBonga]

This is pretty awful, like, why are you automatically assuming he made the mistake intentionally? to be clear i don't currently think this is wolfy just pointing out that the logic is flawed.

It's a healthy mix of paranoia (based on respect for gator's wolf game), and an effort to engage him. I don't give a crap how awful my d1 logic is. I don't automatically assume he made the mistake intentionally... I merely entertained the idea and said it out loud.

Oh and cory, the comment about lynching baudib for amusement wasn't serious, I was just baiting him. We probably dick around a little more here than on other sites, because we're all so familiar with each other, plus it's a poker forum, not a ww forum. That's not to say we don't try to win, and I assure you that I am not going to seriously vote for baudib on the basis of it being funny. But you can probably expect people to be less serious, especially this early, than what you're used to.

[ShipItUp]

SIU the thing I don't get about you is why your turbo game doesn't translate directly to longer games.

like, of all the better players who turbo a lot, I would think yours does and I haven't seen evidence of it in the mashes we've played.

Why do you think that is? What makes your approach/mentality different?

This isn't a knock on you or anything, I'm just trying to get into your head.

I have no idea, I just play how I want in either role. That doesn't change because of the type of game I'm playing.

[baudib]

I'm also reserving judgment on Evene.

she's like definitely within the bounds of her wolf range even though her burst of posting indicates she's reading and forming opinions.

But I love the way she attacks the game as a villager, with cold logic without being irrational or emotional.

it looks like those are qualities we will need in this game.