May 2015 Werewolf Gameplay Thread

[baudib]

My take is this:
We have 1 claim that is highly believable and unlikely to be a line taken by a wolf
We have 1 claim that is highly dubious
50-50 on the other

[baudib]

Ong if you were the angel you should be lynching Wuf.

[wufwugy]

lol ong all that time and this is what you came up with

ez game

[baudib]

lynch wufwugy

[OngBonga]

He's only confirmed wolf from my pov and the seer's. He'll be confirmed wolf from everyone's pov tomorrow.

[OngBonga]

lynch wuf

I'm not arguing if it happens, obviously.

[baudib]

So Ong, talk to me about Boog.

[baudib]

rescind

Dhuber, is it 6 to lynch?

Might as well let Wuf retract his claim and explain it as VV FPS or whatever his song and dance will be.

[OngBonga]

boog is a sneaky fucker. He's claimed vanilla, he's a clean lynch. I'm assuming due to the lack of seer counterclaim that the seer is not ready to claim yet. Last thing we wanna do is force him into claiming, right? Boog isn't the seer. Neither is wuf, for that matter. But everyone knows boog isn't the seer.

Why are you willing to lynch someone who from your pov could be the seer?

[baudib]

not a single person bought Wuf's claim.

[baudib]

If Wuf's claim was credible we would have MAJed you by now.

[baudib]

But your angel claim is effectively a counter claim to Wuf - Seer.

from your POV you should be lynching him 100%

[wufwugy]

lol baud. you keep the games funky that's for sure.

it's the weekend. nobody plays the weekends. especially when it's sunny. the place is a ghost town on saturday/sunday summer.

[OngBonga]

But your angel claim is effectively a counter claim to Wuf - Seer.

from your POV you should be lynching him 100%

No because I'm not the village. There are two people who know wuf's claim is bullshit. If the seer isn't ready to counter, then wuf should be left for tomorrow. Just because I know wuf is full of shit, that doesn't make him an optimal lynch from an observer's pov.

I don't expect anyone to believe my claim based on the way I've played, so why the hell would I expect to rally up votes for someone claiming to be seer with a guilty on me?

[baudib]

Wuf, I know you're not the seer. Give it up already.

[baudib]

No because I'm not the village. There are two people who know wuf's claim is bullshit. If the seer isn't ready to counter, then wuf should be left for tomorrow. Just because I know wuf is full of shit, that doesn't make him an optimal lynch from an observer's pov.

I don't expect anyone to believe my claim based on the way I've played, so why the hell would I expect to rally up votes for someone claiming to be seer with a guilty on me?

I'll be your huckleberry. for now.

[baudib]

Ong, FWIW, I thought your reaction to Wuf's claim was pretty good. Why did you wait so long to claim angel?

[wufwugy]

Wuf, I know you're not the seer. Give it up already.

normally you would only "know" this because you're a wolf, but as a wolf you wouldn't be so blatant about it. i think you're just a villager stuck up his own hubris asshole

[baudib]

and yeah, from the rest of the village's POV, lynching outside the claims makes the most sense today.

[OngBonga]

I was waiting to see if the seer was ready to counterclaim.

[baudib]

normally you would only "know" this because you're a wolf, but as a wolf you wouldn't be so blatant about it. i think you're just a villager stuck up his own hubris asshole

LOL!

how would I "KNOW" who the seer was if I were a wolf?

you've practically locatted

[baudib]

I'm actually buying this line from Ong. Good lord.

[baudib]

I was waiting to see if the seer was ready to counterclaim.

The real seer should actually never counterclaim in that spot. Trading a wolf for the seer on D2 is pretty horrible.

[baudib]

OK Ong, after Wuf and Boog, who do you think the final wolf is?

[OngBonga]

OK Ong, after Wuf and Boog, who do you think the final wolf is?

gabe

He was keen as anything yesterday, today he's very quiet. Perhaps the angel save and the cleared villager pissed on his bonfire.

[baudib]

gabe

He was keen as anything yesterday, today he's very quiet. Perhaps the angel save and the cleared villager pissed on his bonfire.

I've got it ~ 20% that the team is exactly you, Boog and Wuf, but otherwise I'm leaning toward the final wolf in Gabe/Luco.

for raisins

[OngBonga]

rong is an outsider too

[baudib]

should be an interesting rest of day.

[baudib]

Well others' thoughts will be needed here but I believe that if the angel is NOT Ong he should probably counterclaim now.

There could be a couple of exceptions, depending on the identity of the angel, but I trust if you're one of those, you'll realize it.

The real seer should absolutely not CC here.

[baudib]

Worth discussing

Theory: Wolf Ong makes this claim to draw angel away from (any number of villagers)

My guess is probably no.

[OngBonga]

Seer definitely shouldn't counterclaim today because I need to protect hoopy in ordert o block him and prove my alignment.

[baudib]

Why is it better to block him than simply protecting yourself?

[baudib]

^^ that way Hoopy is free to shoot a wolf.

[OngBonga]

It actually doesn't matter if I block myself or hoopy. In fact I'll toss a coin so the wolves don't know who I protected. Just so long as hoopy shoots me and I protect one of us, then I survive the night and am confirmed angel tomorrow.

[OngBonga]

Hoopy isn't free to shoot though. He already said he isn't shooting without good reason, and that's wise. Well he can shoot at me knowing he either kills a lying wolf, or is blocked.

[baudib]

I was being greedy.

well done Ong. I'll give you credit for playing well here.

[OngBonga]

I feel like a kid, where my evil stepmother says something nice to me and I'm happy for just one minute.

[baudib]

We have a lot of work to do here. Having 2/3 of our specials fully outed vs. 1 LOLwolf fake claim isn't ideal.

[baudib]

it means we have 1-2 deep wolves probably.

[dhubermex]

There are approximately 42 hours remaining in Day #2

Lynch Vote Count (as of Post #864)

OngBonga - 3
wufwugy - 2

6 Votes are required for a majority lynch

[rong]

I don't really know what's going on. I don't know why wuf isn't believed and ong is.

I need to read the last few pages properly. Sorry I went awol for a day. I should be back sometime tomorrow morning.

[Luco]

It's late and I'm drunk

[Luco]

We have a lot of work to do here. Having 2/3 of our specials fully outed vs. 1 LOLwolf fake claim isn't ideal.

Come on baud, Hoopy's fakeclaim wasn't all that bad

[baudib]

I don't really know what's going on. I don't know why wuf isn't believed and ong is.

I need to read the last few pages properly. Sorry I went awol for a day. I should be back sometime tomorrow morning.

Lots of reasons.

I can give you a few:

1. Wuf's claim is pretty B.S., it reads a lot like when he fake claimed as Turncoat. It's just a little too convenient that he's the seer with a W peek on his most likely counter wagon.

2. Ong's reaction is not at all like that of a peeked wolf. Ong has been a peeked wolf before, this should be a familiar scenario to you.

3. Read Wuf's last post.

[baudib]

Read this post again and imagine for a moment that you are the seer with a W peek on Ong.

normally you would only "know" this because you're a wolf, but as a wolf you wouldn't be so blatant about it. i think you're just a villager stuck up his own hubris asshole

First off, if Wuf's claim were legit, a wolf would absolutely be terrified of drawing the seer's attention, and would absolutely have to respect the fact that Wuf is the actual seer.

Second, if you're the actual seer with a W peek, you know this. Forced/fake reaction is forced, and fake.

[baudib]

Ong said from the start that we should lynch Wuf and shoot him, he knew he had a trump card to play and didn't want to out yet. It's a pretty legit strategy/planning from Angel Ong's perspective.

[Luco]

Ong I don't know which part of your angel claim I believe more. The fact that you've repeatedly claimed vanilla before this, the fact that you rolled over when the day started, or the fact that you voted boog when surely wuf must be a wolf if he's wrong about his lookup on you

Its pretty entertaining though

[wufwugy]

Read this post again and imagine for a moment that you are the seer with a W peek on Ong.



First off, if Wuf's claim were legit, a wolf would absolutely be terrified of drawing the seer's attention, and would absolutely have to respect the fact that Wuf is the actual seer.

Second, if you're the actual seer with a W peek, you know this. Forced/fake reaction is forced, and fake.

that is not remotely close to what i said.

you're the one claiming to know things. im left here wondering wtf you mean when you say you "know" im not the seer. no, you don't know that, because im the seer. part of me wants to look forward to me flipping so that you can finally develop some level of introspection, but we both know that won't happen.

[wufwugy]

Ong said from the start that we should lynch Wuf and shoot him, he knew he had a trump card to play and didn't want to out yet. It's a pretty legit strategy/planning from Angel Ong's perspective.

what?

how does this make a lick of sense?

[wufwugy]

1. Wuf's claim is pretty B.S., it reads a lot like when he fake claimed as Turncoat. It's just a little too convenient that he's the seer with a W peek on his most likely counter wagon.

i dont remember this. what game was it?

[baudib]

hush wolfwugy.

[Luco]

I'm not a wolf but I'm a great lynch. We've nearly got this wrapped up, all we can do is derp into the specials, but in lynching me that won't happen. So I'm rolling over.

Let's avoid derping into the specials by lynching the angel, Yay

[wufwugy]

hush wolfwugy.

i fully expect you to block this game from your memory.

[baudib]

Wuf, refer to this link for your rest-of-game posting needs

lolcats

[baudib]

Wuf: "No I'm the seer! Really!"

hahahahahaha good one

[wufwugy]

i guess i would expect nothing less from you

[baudib]

Get on my level.

[wufwugy]

you mean the level where you call me a villager then the next minute call me a wolf?

sorry, not interested in batshit

[Luco]

LOL!

how would I "KNOW" who the seer was if I were a wolf?

you've practically locatted

Ding ding ding

[Luco]

Everyone ignpre me then. Im off to bed

[BooG690]

If I was a wolf who thought it, I wouldn't have pointed it out. He's getting lynched, and if he is the angel, it's better than I'm saying it rather than someone else.

He certainly shouldn't clarify unless his claim is forced.

His first post says "hey it's a game". What does that mean? It's odd, the first letters seem like they could be saying "hi i'm angel". I thought it when I first saw it, which is why i haven't really wanted to put any pressure on him today. I actually think it's wolfy, I think a wolf is more likely to crumb a special role than a special, but that's for later.

Today we should lynch someone else imo, me if needs be.

Bold don't make no sense coming from the angel.

[BooG690]

I'm gonna say it so wuf doesn't have to.

I think wuf crumbed angel first post.

.

[BooG690]

Wait, if you think wuf has claimed angel why isn't he in your town list?

It's probably not a crumb, idk I guess I was being stupid. Even if it is a crumb, that doesn't mean he's angel, it means he's angel or wolf, and there's 3x more wolves than angels.

More Ong angel talk.

[baudib]

Boog, I actually think that makes more sense coming from Ong if he's the angel...because of levels and whatnot. because as thin as that is, his explanation of "Wuf crumbed angel" made even less sense in any other role.

I know it's dubious and all but I don't see what we can do here. It almost doesn't matter because we probably always lose a villager and get a wolf out of this sequence.

The wolves cannot stop Hoopy from shooting Ong and we turbo lynch Wuf tomorrow if he lives.

[baudib]

Rilla/Rascal/Hoopy/Gabe et al.

feel free to tell me I'm crazy here.

[OngBonga]

Yeah I mean we could get on my back about me trying to throw the wolves off the scent, or we could just leave it to be resolved overnight.

[baudib]

And Wuf, if you flip Vanillager I'll give you a golf clap for trying to take one for the team. But if you flip wolf then LOL, and we know you ain't flipping seer.

[wufwugy]

And Wuf, if you flip Vanillager I'll give you a golf clap for trying to take one for the team. But if you flip wolf then LOL, and we know you ain't flipping seer.

this logic is not compatible with you being a villager.

after ong, guess who

[baudib]

Wuf if you're actually a vanillager then get on my level. Think long and hard.

otherwise hush.

[baudib]

Seer Wuf knows Ong's claim is total BS and calls for angel to protect him instead.

[gabe]

my quick read makes me think:
hoopy is legit
ong is legit
wuf is a wolf?

how do we untangle this situation

and thoughts of me being wolf are crazy. i'm locked in to bolding whoever rilla bolds. it feels like it should be wuf but maybe we can come up with a night play that doesnt require that

[wufwugy]

Seer Wuf knows Ong's claim is total BS and calls for angel to protect him instead.

do you get high?

i looked ong up. i know he's not the angel

it's a good thing im not playing on your level. if i was i'd probably have looked myself up.

[wufwugy]

my quick read makes me think:
hoopy is legit
ong is legit
wuf is a wolf?

how do we untangle this situation

and thoughts of me being wolf are crazy. i'm locked in to bolding whoever rilla bolds. it feels like it should be wuf but maybe we can come up with a night play that doesnt require that

let me get this straight

you come up with a convoluted d1 plan to kill arguably the most valuable villager on ftr, baud hops along like a walrus chasing a child. i said it was a bad idea, jkds dies anyways. then baud all but blames me for somehow not preventing that lynch.

then today literally nothing happens except baud spewing more bullshit and me outing, and you think im faking?

no wonder i hit a wolf n1 while i was looking for a villager. everybody's a fucking wolf.

[baudib]

Other than Hoopy,ong is like the nut low N1 lookup. He's getting vigged or wagoned on D2 so often.

no one actually thinks you play that bad as seer Wuf

[baudib]

Wuf if you're a VV u need to retract your fake W peek.