May 2015 Werewolf Gameplay Thread

[Luco]

So, now that night's over, please explain how BID was wolfy at all after he switched to hoopy to put hoopy in the lead? What was the logic in that thinking?

The VC just after his vote didn't actually include his vote. It states 'up to post 450' and his bold was post 451

Bid never put hoopy in the lead, you did when you rescinded ong to lynch jkds. See my post #611

[gabe]

i look at the list and see mostly villagers. its day 2 and i feel like the potential wolf pool is already pretty small

[gabe]

villagers
-a500lbgorilla
-baudib
-BooG690
-gabe
-Luco
-rong

i dont know
-rascal
-ong

bad?
-Hoopy
-wuf

[a500lbgorilla]

villagers
-a500lbgorilla
-baudib
-BooG690
-gabe
-Luco
-rong

i dont know
-rascal
-ong

bad?
-Hoopy
-wuf

Wolves are ong wuf hoopy imvo

[gabe]

Wolves are ong wuf hoopy imvo

all have different interesting reasons to lynch. you get to pretty much decide who dies

[a500lbgorilla]

I choose you, then. Give these wolves a fighting chance.

[OngBonga]

I'm not a wolf but I'm a great lynch. We've nearly got this wrapped up, all we can do is derp into the specials, but in lynching me that won't happen. So I'm rolling over.

[baudib]

So, now that night's over, please explain how BID was wolfy at all after he switched to hoopy to put hoopy in the lead? What was the logic in that thinking?

this is one of the most outing posts I've ever seen.

you can't possibly care about this.

lynch Boog

[BooG690]

this is one of the most outing posts I've ever seen.

you can't possibly care about this.

lynch Boog

So at first you won't explain because it was night and now you won't explain because ... um, I'm outing?

I DO care about your logic concerning BID. He was very obviously villager after JKDS was outed as villager yet had him as "Kill with Fire." How?

[rong]

I really agree with that baudib.

[baudib]

Boog, prior to that post you had 8 posts in this thread. I have like 120. Out of 120 I must have, conservatively, ~ 25 where I said objectively stupid things. There have been a billion noteworthy things that have happened in this game so far.

For your 9th post you choose to ponder the question of how I came to the classification of BID as wolfy when I documented how I thought he was wolfy in real time over and over? After I also spent countless posts yesterday arguing against the BID lynch? Because my feelings on dead villager BID will be SO relevant to figuring out the rest of the game, amirite?

Also thanks for spewing your partner Hoopy wolf. TMI much.

[baudib]

I really agree with that baudib.

what are you agreeing with?

[baudib]

Rilla
Rascal*
Gabe
Luco
Rong
Ong
Wuf
Hoopy
Boog

[Hoopy]

n1 rascal v

So rilla, baudib and rascal are all confirmed. Things are looking good.

[gabe]

Hmmm that's a good summary. Lets see where this goes.

rescind ong

lynch JKDS

this becomes wolfier the more i stare at it

"thats a good summary." is that something hoopy would normally type out and post?

[baudib]

this becomes wolfier the more i stare at it

"thats a good summary." is that something hoopy would normally type out and post?

how does Hoopy normally respond to pressure? He's acting as if he's oblivious to the fact that he's a wagon for the rest of the game.

[a500lbgorilla]

So rilla, baudib and rascal are all confirmed. Things are looking good.

Wolf fishing for seer.

[BooG690]

For your 9th post you choose to ponder the question of how I came to the classification of BID as wolfy when I documented how I thought he was wolfy in real time over and over?

Shooting Hoopy or BID, regardless of JKDS flip, has to be profitable.

actually let me nuance that a bit

if JKDS flips wolf I'd shoot BID
if JKDS flips village I'd shoot Hoopy

Your BID suspicions looked to hinge on BID's bold and JKDS being a wolf. Obviously, with JKDS being a villager, your BID suspicions should have been shit. They weren't. You continued being suspicious of him. It's so off the wall inconsistent that I WILL question it.

[gabe]

baudib why do you think what boog did was wolfy? i see why its a question he shouldnt care about, but i dont think its necessarily wolfy. you said you were going to say something, so maybe he had just been waiting for it. seems natural for some people to get hung up on it when you say "i will reveal this later" (even when it becomes semi irrelevant)

[Hoopy]

how does Hoopy normally respond to pressure? He's acting as if he's oblivious to the fact that he's a wagon for the rest of the game.

I'm not really worried because of what I'm about to say.

I shot bankitdrew last night because he could of been a problem in the endgame & had a non zero chance of being a wolf.

Now the village doesn't have to worry about me today. Either I survive the night or get shot, I'm betting on the first outcome.

[gabe]

how does Hoopy normally respond to pressure? He's acting as if he's oblivious to the fact that he's a wagon for the rest of the game.

this is kinda funny. HOOPY CAN YOU SEE US? WE THINK YOU ARE A WOLF. EARTH TO HOOPY. COME IN

[gabe]

I'm not really worried because of what I'm about to say.

I shot bankitdrew last night because he could of been a problem in the endgame & had a non zero chance of being a wolf.

Now the village doesn't have to worry about me today. Either I survive the night or get shot, I'm betting on the first outcome.

this day keeps getting better

hoopy who would you want between boog and wuf?

[Hoopy]

this is kinda funny. HOOPY CAN YOU SEE US? WE THINK YOU ARE A WOLF. EARTH TO HOOPY. COME IN

Ong sent me some of his "good stuff", you won't believe the things I'm seeing.

[baudib]

Gabe, it just struck me as incredibly wolfy. Boog has been posting infrequently AND carefully, and I don't see how a villager with such an economical posting style has that as his burning question.

I don't think I would have shot BID in that spot (sorry, there goes my Vig cover) but it was a perfectly reasonable/justifiable shot. Ultimately I would have been stopped by Wuf's post-lynch rantings about how no one else was lynchable.

[baudib]

DAYUM.

hoopy, I didn't come out guns blazing for you today because I considered the Anon game where you were seer.

[a500lbgorilla]

Haha. You my wolf, hoopy.

[baudib]

FWIW, Hoopy's claim makes perfect sense...I think most other vigs actually shoot Hoopy over BID last night. And it's unlikely he'd make that sort of claim right now as a wolf.

Obviously if the vig is someone else, just keep quiet and shoot Hoopy tonight.

[a500lbgorilla]

I didn't even see his vig claim.

[baudib]

I didn't even see his vig claim.

on another site I would say it's not even a hard claim but it's amazingly unlikely Hoopy says that as wolf or vanilla.

[gabe]

should we kill wuf?

[Hoopy]

this day keeps getting better

hoopy who would you want between boog and wuf?

Boog currently mainly because of gut feel. wuf seems like he is trying out a new style but I don't think it automatically makes more likely a wolf.

[Hoopy]

Haha. You my wolf, hoopy.

I'm well aware how wolfy I've looked so far, sorry for the spanner in the thought process.

[baudib]

Well this should be a low-stress day. Rilla, tell us who to lynch and we move on.

glgl

[baudib]

Wolves despondent ATM.

[gabe]

good job. never seen wolves crushed so hard so fast, and we havent even killed one yet

[BooG690]

This looks bad for me and I'm sure there's almost no getting out of me getting lynched today. I'm a vanilla villager. Do what you will.

[rong]

good job. never seen wolves crushed so hard so fast, and we havent even killed one yet

The wolf choice and Angel choice reveal gabe us a major advantage.

[a500lbgorilla]

So let's kill rong then.

[baudib]

Boog at least gets some points for actually posting but wowza.

it does seem unlikely that Boog and Ong are W-W.

[gabe]

The wolf choice and Angel choice reveal gabe us a major advantage.

what are you saying

[baudib]

what are you saying

gabe = gave

the angel block is obviously huge, is what he's saying.

[wufwugy]

great stuff

lynch baud

[baudib]

great stuff

lynch baud

lol

thanks for claiming wolf

[wufwugy]

because whenever anybody does something you dont like they're a wolf

[Luco]

This page.

Thanks hoopy, thanks wuf

[Luco]

With even numbers this is easy.

Pick two from wuf Ong boog, lynch one and shoot the other.

[baudib]

The cases for Boog and Ong are both compelling but I really kinda doubt they are W-W. Does Boog come out hard bussing Ong out of the gate on D1? That wagon could have easily spun out of control and it would have been hard for him to hop off.

I definitely think Boog is the higher % wolf of the two.

Wuf seems like a lock, he isn't even pretending to make any effort to do villagery things.

[baudib]

In Boog's favor, he definitely seems to have greater conviction than Ong, who basically admitted he hasn't even believed half the stuff he's said this game.

[lilrascal]

n1 rascal v

[baudib]

you should peek me too, you know the drill

[lilrascal]

So, now that night's over, please explain how BID was wolfy at all after he switched to hoopy to put hoopy in the lead? What was the logic in that thinking?

this is one of the most outing posts I've ever seen.

you can't possibly care about this.

lynch Boog

So at first you won't explain because it was night and now you won't explain because ... um, I'm outing?

I DO care about your logic concerning BID. He was very obviously villager after JKDS was outed as villager yet had him as "Kill with Fire." How?

I really agree with that baudib.

Boog, prior to that post you had 8 posts in this thread. I have like 120. Out of 120 I must have, conservatively, ~ 25 where I said objectively stupid things. There have been a billion noteworthy things that have happened in this game so far.

For your 9th post you choose to ponder the question of how I came to the classification of BID as wolfy when I documented how I thought he was wolfy in real time over and over? After I also spent countless posts yesterday arguing against the BID lynch? Because my feelings on dead villager BID will be SO relevant to figuring out the rest of the game, amirite?

Also thanks for spewing your partner Hoopy wolf. TMI much.

Baud, how can you read Boog as wolfy for asking that question?

I agree with Rong here. It was not a wolfy question. You stated you'd discuss this later and when he asks about it you call him wolfy.

You're not being a helpful villa here to an honest question by Boog.

[lilrascal]

you should peek me too, you know the drill

I'm still working on my read of you and I have a couple of concerns. Nothing major, so hopefully we can work them out.

[lilrascal]

So rilla, baudib and rascal are all confirmed. Things are looking good.

Wolf fishing for seer.

I'm not really worried because of what I'm about to say.

I shot bankitdrew last night because he could of been a problem in the endgame & had a non zero chance of being a wolf.

Now the village doesn't have to worry about me today. Either I survive the night or get shot, I'm betting on the first outcome.

I'm with rilla here.

Hoopy points out baud's soft claim of seer. Rilla points it out as wolfy, then hoopy hard claims villa vig.

Why would a villa make those posts essentially outing 2 villa PR's?

I find it very suspicious of Hoopy.

[baudib]

Rascal, take my word for it, I'll rarely be more out of my wolf range than I am in this game. I hard cleared you and Gabe in the most -EV possible if I were a wolf.

I don't see how the Boog question can possibly be an honest question and I'm going with the visceral reaction I had that it was literally one of the wolfiest things I've ever read.

[lilrascal]

baudib why do you think what boog did was wolfy? i see why its a question he shouldnt care about, but i dont think its necessarily wolfy. you said you were going to say something, so maybe he had just been waiting for it. seems natural for some people to get hung up on it when you say "i will reveal this later" (even when it becomes semi irrelevant)

Gabe, it just struck me as incredibly wolfy. Boog has been posting infrequently AND carefully, and I don't see how a villager with such an economical posting style has that as his burning question.

I don't think I would have shot BID in that spot (sorry, there goes my Vig cover) but it was a perfectly reasonable/justifiable shot. Ultimately I would have been stopped by Wuf's post-lynch rantings about how no one else was lynchable.

I now see where you responded to your reading of Boog as wolfy. But I don't see much conviction in your response.

Also, why don't you share your thoughts that you didn't want to during the night?

I understand you not wanting to do it during night when actions could still be submitted, but we're past that now.

[baudib]

The main thought I held to the vest over night was that Boog makes sense as a wolf, although I alluded to it yesterday.

[baudib]

Oh, and a creeping paranoia about Rilla based on Gabe's comment near EOD but that's obviously a non-starter.

[lilrascal]

Rascal, take my word for it, I'll rarely be more out of my wolf range than I am in this game. I hard cleared you and Gabe in the most -EV possible if I were a wolf.

I don't see how the Boog question can possibly be an honest question and I'm going with the visceral reaction I had that it was literally one of the wolfiest things I've ever read.

I get what you're saying in the first paragraph.

But I'm not getting any wolfy vibes from Boog. I was getting some from Gabe, but today he's starting to put me at ease.

I still have my suspicions about you and your reaction to Boog is just one. I also don't understand how your interactions with wuf over night were of any possible benefit.

[BooG690]

Gabe, it just struck me as incredibly wolfy. Boog has been posting infrequently AND carefully, and I don't see how a villager with such an economical posting style has that as his burning question.

I post when I've something to say. It's hard for me to post in real-time and I make reads as quickly as others do.

As for it being a burning question, it's something that makes absolutely NO sense to me. You disregarded it by saying you wouldn't want to share at night so obviously there was SOMETHING to be shared. For you to call me a wolf when asking what that something was is strange.

[lilrascal]

Oh, and a creeping paranoia about Rilla based on Gabe's comment near EOD but that's obviously a non-starter.

If that's the case, then why aren't you concerned about Gabe now that Rilla is a confirmed villa?

[lilrascal]

FWIW, Hoopy's claim makes perfect sense...I think most other vigs actually shoot Hoopy over BID last night. And it's unlikely he'd make that sort of claim right now as a wolf.

Obviously if the vig is someone else, just keep quiet and shoot Hoopy tonight.

Why wouldn't he make that claim as a wolf?

By making that claim, he's essentially asking to be angeled.

If he's a wolf, it's a +EV play as it eliminates the angel protection of a villa and clears the way for a wolf NK.

[baudib]

on the off-chance Wuf is a villager he needs to get his head out of his ass.

here's the problem with that Boog post:

1. While I noted that we would not/should not be lynching BID on D1, I called out several of his posts as very wolfy. As I have basically given my opnion on everyone in this game. Like, my thoughts on anyone's alignment is not secret at this point.

2. I explained explicitly why BID was still a good shot regardless of JKDS' flip. The UNCC'd vig agreed with me!

3. The post also presumes to information about Hoopy's alignment/nature of the wagons that a villager wouldn't know.

[lilrascal]

should we kill wuf?

That's where I'm leaning.

[baudib]

Why wouldn't he make that claim as a wolf?

By making that claim, he's essentially asking to be angeled.

If he's a wolf, it's a +EV play as it eliminates the angel protection of a villa and clears the way for a wolf NK.

it's just not how things are done here. you've played enough games, how many fake claims have you seen? hardly anyone ever even softs at being a special.

[BooG690]

Villagers

Rilla
Gabe
Luco
Rong
------
Neutral
Rascal
Boog
Wuf
Ong
-----
Kill with Fire
BID
Hoopy

Estimate 0.8 wolves in Wuf/BID, 1.2 wolves in Ong/Hoopy

The main thought I held to the vest over night was that Boog makes sense as a wolf, although I alluded to it yesterday.

Boog makes sense as a wolf. Let's put him in the neutral set.

[baudib]

Boog makes sense as a wolf. Let's put him in the neutral set.

did you miss the part where I was keeping it close to the vest?

[baudib]

lol boog

[baudib]

I don't have to reveal all of my true intentions before the results of night actions. levels and all.

...

[a500lbgorilla]

Literally zero percent chance Baud is a wolf. Bank it.

Gabe also in the halo of unimpeachable villagers.

[BooG690]

here's the problem with that Boog post:

3. The post also presumes to information about Hoopy's alignment/nature of the wagons that a villager wouldn't know.

No it doesn't. I saw BID not getting on the JKDS bandwagon and decided that W BID always votes JKDS there. You saw the same thing and remarked on it wolfy (presumably because it looked like resistance to the JKDS wagon). Then, when you made your list after JKDS was a confirmed villager, you maintained BID as wolfy even though it was obvious he wasn't.

[BooG690]

did you miss the part where I was keeping it close to the vest?

Why keep it close?

[a500lbgorilla]

People who are highly peachable villagers - wuf and ong.

I believe Hoopy's claim.

So I'll figure out Boog, rong later.

Unmentioned players not worth mention, like lilrascal who I believe is a villager.

[a500lbgorilla]

Oh yeah, loluco. I also believe he's a villager.

[lilrascal]

lol

thanks for claiming wolf

This first quote is in response to Wuf.

The cases for Boog and Ong are both compelling but I really kinda doubt they are W-W. Does Boog come out hard bussing Ong out of the gate on D1? That wagon could have easily spun out of control and it would have been hard for him to hop off.

I definitely think Boog is the higher % wolf of the two.

Wuf seems like a lock, he isn't even pretending to make any effort to do villagery things.

In Boog's favor, he definitely seems to have greater conviction than Ong, who basically admitted he hasn't even believed half the stuff he's said this game.

Baud, this is what concerns me. You talk about wolves in Wuf, Boog and Ong. It seems like from your posts you think Wuf and Ong are the most likely wolves, but only mention them in passing.

You point out things in Boog's favor and then still keep pushing him.

Normally, I find you more consistent in your reads.

FWIW, I think Wuf and Ong should be today's wagons.

[BooG690]

Lynch OngBonga