May 2015 Werewolf Gameplay Thread

[OngBonga]

I notice dan is saying on the one hand that there are bound to be wolves on the jkds wagon, while telling the vig to shoot me.

Clearly the vig should be hitting someone who voted for jkds, but that's what I'd be doing if I'm the vig. Sadly I'm not.

[Hoopy]

That's bad. I guess now we reread the day to try and learn more.

If JKDS had flipped wolf gabe would've of been cleared, now things are much more murky.

[Hoopy]

Hoopy 's jkds vote seems stupid if he's a wolf.

Exactly, if Ong is a villager as he claims why would I switch to another more prominent villager late as a wolf?

'Deception/cover' would be one reason I guess, though the value of such cover is overestimated imo.

[gabe]

dammit jkds just had to post that gif !!


so hoopy switched his vote off ong. would hoopy do this if....

both hoopy and ong were wolves? possible but unlikely because it requires wolf hoopy bolding wolf ong for a while
neither hoopy nor ong was a wolf? possible
hoopy wolf and ong village? no, too suspicious (assuming hoopy is aware of how his wagon jumping appears)
hoopy village and ong wolf? possible but less likely... i think

[gabe]

the wolves did something wacky here. i'm trying to think through all the situations where jkds is a villager, but at the same time the wolves didnt help him die earlier in the day. my first instinct is that this means hoopy and ong are also villagers. i need to think about it more but shooting BID is better than shooting hoopy IMO

[gabe]

I think this has been the most enjoyable day one of any game I've played. Not sure why.

bad thing to say when we killed a villager....

[rong]

It's day one, we always get a villager killed. Besides which, you got a villager killed, I was trying to kill ong.

[gabe]

i got blood on my hands and theres no remorse,


and i got blood on my...http://genius.com/Dmx-bring-your-whole-crew-lyrics/

[OngBonga]

[gabe]

twat = Too Wolfy All the Time ?

[Luco]

Day 1 vote flow in full

Boog v JKDS (jkds 1)
Gabe v rascal (jkds 1 / rascal 1)
Baud v Hoopy (jkds 1/ rascal 1 / Hoopy 1)
Rilla v gabe (jkds 1/ rascal 1 / Hoopy 1 / gabe 1)
Ong v baudib (jkds 1/ rascal 1 / Hoopy 1 / gabe 1 / baudib 1)
Wuf v gabe (gabe 2 / jkds 1/ rascal 1 / Hoopy 1 / baudib 1)
Boog r jkds
Boog v ong (gabe 2 / rascal 1 / Hoopy 1 / baudib 1 / ong 1)
Ong r Baud (gabe 2 / rascal 1 / Hoopy 1 / ong 1)
Rilla r gabe
Rilla v ong (Ong 2 / rascal 1 / Hoopy 1 / gabe 1)
Wuf r gabe (Ong 2 / rascal 1 / Hoopy 1)
Rascal v Wuf (Ong 2 / rascal 1 / Hoopy 1 / wuf 1)
Gabe r Rascal (Ong 2 / Hoopy 1 / wuf 1)
Wuf v bid (Ong 2 / Hoopy 1 / wuf 1 / bid 1) ***agrees with #312 VC ***
Bid v Wuf (Ong 2 / wuf 2 / Hoopy 1 / bid 1)
Ong v hoopy (Ong 2 / wuf 2 / Hoopy 2 / bid 1)
Baud r hoopy
Baud v ong (Ong 3 / wuf 2 / Hoopy 1 / bid 1)
Jkds v ong (Ong 4 / wuf 2 / Hoopy 1 / bid 1) *** does not agree with #386 vc ***
Baud r ong
Baud v hoopy (Ong 3 / wuf 2 / Hoopy 2 / bid 1)
Gabe v jkds (Ong 3 / wuf 2 / Hoopy 2 / jkds 1 / bid 1) *** does not agree with #422 vc ***
Rascal r wuf
Rascal v hoopy (Ong 3 / Hoopy 3 / wuf 1 / jkds 1 / bid 1)
Boog r ong
Boog v jkds (Hoopy 3 / Ong 2 / jkds 2 / wuf 1 / bid 1) *** agrees with #452 vc ***
Bid r wuf
Bid v hoopy (Hoopy 4 / Ong 2 / jkds 2 / bid 1)
Hoopy v ong (Hoopy 4 / Ong 3 / jkds 2 / bid 1)
Baud r hoopy
Baud v jkds (Ong 3 / Hoopy 3 / jkds 3 / bid 1)
Rong v ong (Ong 4 / Hoopy 3 / jkds 3 / bid 1) *** agrees with #535 vc ***
Luco v ong (Ong 5 / Hoopy 3 / jkds 3 / bid 1) *** agrees with #538 vc ***
Rilla r ong
Rilla v jkds (Ong 4 / jkds 4 / Hoopy 3 / bid 1)
Ong r hoopy
Ong v jkds (jkds 5 / Ong 4 / Hoopy 2 / bid 1)
Hoopy r ong
Hoopy v jkds (jkds 6 / Ong 3 / Hoopy 2 / bid 1)
Ong r jkds (jkds 5 / Ong 3 / Hoopy 2 / bid 1)
Ong v hoopy (jkds 5 / Ong 3 / Hoopy 3 / bid 1) *** agrees with #578 vc ***

I might colour this in later.

- With tied votes the leftmost name in the brackets gets the rope.
- The two VCs that don't match are due to a missed bid vote on wuf
- First half is probably meaningless but I had to start at the start for accuracy
- I've included implicit rescinds as well as explicit. v = vote, r = rescind

Too many unknowns to make a lot of sense out of it just yet, but I can see all three of ong jkds hoopy spent some time in the hot seat toward the end there. Something to come back to.

[Luco]

dammit jkds just had to post that gif !!

This kinda sounds insincere. Maybe it's just the smilies.

[BankItDrew]

also of note, BID was all up in Ong's shit, proclaiming he was an expert Ong reader.

I have no read on ong because I'm only reading posts with my name in it.

Please don't hide "bid" or "drew" within your posts because then I'll be fucked. I'm simply not into this bame the way I should be. I'm too afk over the next few weeks with shit.

[Luco]

bad thing to say when we killed a villager....

I don't think a wolf would say that there. Rong looks good to me.

[BankItDrew]

I'm very very very confident in my tone read of gabe and luco.

Gabe is a villager
luco is a wolf

not changing unless epic things happen

[baudib]

Villagers

Rilla
Gabe
Luco
Rong
------
Neutral
Rascal
Boog
Wuf
Ong
-----
Kill with Fire
BID
Hoopy

Estimate 0.8 wolves in Wuf/BID, 1.2 wolves in Ong/Hoopy

[BankItDrew]

If I post anything that resembles content - consider yourself lucky.

[BankItDrew]

Baudib failing hard at reading me.

[gabe]

Villagers

Rilla
Gabe
Luco
Rong
------
Neutral
Rascal
Boog
Wuf
Ong
-----
Kill with Fire
BID
Hoopy

Estimate 0.8 wolves in Wuf/BID, 1.2 wolves in Ong/Hoopy

its worth saying that i think you are a notch higher than rilla and luco. notice rilla's activity last 24 hours...it will be interesting to see what dawn brings

[BooG690]

Villagers

Rilla
Gabe
Luco
Rong
------
Neutral
Rascal
Boog
Wuf
Ong
-----
Kill with Fire
BID
Hoopy

Estimate 0.8 wolves in Wuf/BID, 1.2 wolves in Ong/Hoopy

BID isn't very wolfy after his Hoopy bold.

[baudib]

I don't have to reveal all of my true intentions before the results of night actions. levels and all.

[wufwugy]

worst. lynch. ever.

hey at least now we get to say we did the unfathomable, we killed jkds on d1 while leaving bid alive

[wufwugy]

baud, i said it's bad to go back to a previous lynch with the previous information. if bid were to not up his activity in such a way that we got more information about him as the game progressed, it would be utterly terrible to vote to kill him at a later date with the same rationale for the d1 kill. any village that plays like that loses 110% of the time

ofc you're going to disagree with this.

[baudib]

I'm going to lynch Hoopy for exactly the same reason I was going to lynch him yesterday and feel great about it.

[wufwugy]

i would expect nothing else out of you

[baudib]

Also, leaving a vote off-wagon while you were a viable wagon leaves you as basically a non-participant and as lynchworthy as JKDS. you don't get to MMQB a perfectly justified lynch while you contributed nothing.

[wufwugy]

sunday morning quarterbacking. i didnt bold jkds because it was a bad lynch. i bolded bid because it was a good lynch.

basing your vote on whether you're on or off wagon is awful. instead base your vote on who the best lynch is.

[baudib]

sunday morning quarterbacking. i didnt bold jkds because it was a bad lynch. i bolded bid because it was a good lynch.

basing your vote on whether you're on or off wagon is awful. instead base your vote on who the best lynch is.

dude we had a HIGH LEVERAGE situation in which you could have easily gotten CFD. refusing to even consider voting for someone who might actually get lynched makes you the worst villager of D1 if you are one.

[wufwugy]

avoiding a cfd is not a priority. avoiding bad lynches is.

[baudib]

avoiding getting lynched is your priority no matter what your role is.

and you did nothing to avoid a bad lynch.

this isn't like America, where you vote doesn't actually count. you REFUSED to even voice opinions on the non-BID wagons or consider voting for someone who might die.

[baudib]

Wuf laying on the empty platitudes and aphorisms like he actually knows anything is amusing

Wuf, just because your "play bad, get there" style keeps you alive doesn't mean the "play bad" part is actually good.

[wufwugy]

Look, I understand if the people who voted for JKDS did so because they thought it was the best lynch. I'm fine with that. I'm nobody's mommy and I'm wrong more often than just about anybody. The village wins when people have conviction for their lynches, and if that was JKDS for a majority, then so be it, and the presence of conviction means the village is optimally engaged to win.

But don't turn this around on me. Just because I put my bold where I wanted it and you put your bold on a mislynch doesn't mean I did something wrong.

Actually, you know what, it's not a "mislynch". I always fucking hated that word. It assumes that the only thing that matters is results. How ironic for a forum full of people who endeavor to be greats at poker, where the first lesson is to not be results oriented. What matters is the rationale, regardless of the flip.

[baudib]

the bottom line is you don't get to MMQB when you contributed less than nothing (worse than JKDS, who was perfectly lynchable).

hunt for a wolf for the first time this game or get shot.

it might be coming sooner than you think.

[wufwugy]

baud do me a favor and bold me and never stop bolding me until one of us is dead.

jv once told me that i wouldnt get better until i realized what my problem is. it pissed me off. but he was right.

you won't get better until you realize what your problem is.

[baudib]

I don't need to get better dude, I'm perfectly happy with my level of WW ability.

your problem is you're not a team player and are incapable of doing so or even comprehending how that might actually be a benefit.

[baudib]

eg. I could get vigged or eaten tonight and leave plenty of material behind for other villagers to sift through and get an inkling of what I felt about various topics and how wolves responded to it.

if you get vigged tonight you left us with "we should policy lynch BID based on nothing but not after D1."

thanks for that.

JKDS at least left us one post where he expressed opinions (lol)

[wufwugy]

is it possible for you to realize that you're telling me i should have chosen to bold somebody i thought was a bad lynch so i could be a team player?

[wufwugy]

we have a fundamental difference of opinion about how information is gathered.

only a handful of what people do matters, and quantity of opinions is not one of them.

[baudib]

and no I'm not going to bold you until one of us is dead. one-on-one prolonged pissing matches are inherently destructive and I have pro-village ways of using my vote. it's amazing you don't understand this. \

[baudib]

is it possible for you to realize that you're telling me i should have chosen to bold somebody i thought was a bad lynch so i could be a team player?

I know you haven't actually thought about these things, but the fact that you think it's impossible to ever find a wolf in JKDS/Hoopy/Ong is just astonishing.

your approach this game won't even be validated if BID flips 7X wolf JOAT.

[wufwugy]

I know you haven't actually thought about these things, but the fact that you think it's impossible to ever find a wolf in JKDS/Hoopy/Ong is just astonishing.

it's also just as possible to find a wolf in rong/rilla/rascal.

inb4 you realize that you just demonstrated that your argument is that i should have chosen to bold somebody based on criteria other than which lynch i think is best.

[baudib]

it's also just as possible to find a wolf in rong/rilla/rascal.

it's possible but not AS possible

inb4 you realize that you just demonstrated that your argument is that i should have chosen to bold somebody based on criteria other than which lynch i think is best.

you gave absolutely no indication yesterday that even trying to find a wolf was a reasonable or worthy goal

[baudib]

Wuf, there has literally never been a WW game in history where the developments, interactions and wagons of D1 did not provide many of the clues necessary for the village to solve the game.

your approach would have us ignore ~500 posts and just move on to D2 with us possibly being down 3-0 and without even trying to provide any context.

that's the world you create where everyone plays the game like Wufwugy.

[wufwugy]

it's possible but not AS possible

Not true. You say this because you assume your premise that you're right about your wolf picks. I didn't bold who you wanted me to because I didn't think they were good wolf picks.

you gave absolutely no indication yesterday that even trying to find a wolf was a reasonable or worthy goal

You give no indication that you care to read my posts.

Wuf, there has literally never been a WW game in history where the developments, interactions and wagons of D1 did not provide many of the clues necessary for the village to solve the game.

How hilarious it is that you say this while also saying you think you understand my game. I have used d1s to find all sorts of wonderful things, things entirely different than what I found while playing a current d1

your approach would have us ignore ~500 posts and just move on to D2 with us possibly being down 3-0 and without even trying to provide any context.

You are confusing lynching a player just because he has been active with making the right lynch.

These pages don't disappear. When we make the right lynches, we end up in the endgame with the best possible pool of players and the ability to examine the entire game and get all that information that you somehow think can only be gotten by killing the players you want.

I'm not even saying that BID was absolutely the right lynch. He was the right one from my perspective. You're acting like I should have chosen a bold based on your perspective.

that's the world you create where everyone plays the game like Wufwugy.

inb4 you realize you're attacking me for bolding the person I wanted to lynch. What hubris that must take when it's you who just came off of lynching one of the best players we have on shaky ground.

[baudib]

dude you have any idea how annoying it is for you to fail to try to lynch and wolf and then come in and be like "haha you guys fucked up?"

gjge

[baudib]

this game seems pretty straightforward, we sort out who the wolf is out of Wuf/Ong/Boog/Rascal and then kill everyone who's not playing WW (Wuf, Hoopy, BID)

[baudib]

These pages don't disappear. When we make the right lynches, we end up in the endgame with the best possible pool of players and the ability to examine the entire game and get all that information that you somehow think can only be gotten by killing the players you want.

I'm not even saying that BID was absolutely the right lynch. He was the right one from my perspective. You're acting like I should have chosen a bold based on your perspective.

no I am acting like you should have done SOMETHING that would have accomplished something...either lynching a wolf or giving us wagon movement from which we can make reads off later. your vote on BID accomplished nothing.

[baudib]

and it has nothing to do with hubris and everything to do with having a fundamentally correct way to play the game.

"I'm not going to consider 500 posts of information or try to engage or push anyone or get any information from anyone cuz, lol D1 and let's do a policy lynch even though no one else wants to do that."

this is all about you trying to create the endgame that you desire and nothing to do with helping the village out (I realize you never think in those terms and that's why you are having a hard time understanding why your D1 was so terrible).

[wufwugy]

dude you have any idea how annoying it is for you to fail to try to lynch and wolf and then come in and be like "haha you guys fucked up?"

gjge

How many times do I have to tell you that I did not like your picks for wolf? You even backed up my pick, but now say it wasn't a good pick.

I'm done with this nonsense. Maybe you'll get your wish and you'll piss off everybody else with your idiocy just like the last time you played.

[baudib]

How many times do I have to tell you that I did not like your picks for wolf? You even backed up my pick, but now say it wasn't a good pick.

I'm done with this nonsense. Maybe you'll get your wish and you'll piss off everybody else with your idiocy just like the last time you played.

they weren't my picks. they were the consensus of the village.

[baudib]

wuf do you honestly feel like you did something constructive in a pro-village way on D1?

How many times do I have to tell you that I did not like your picks for wolf? You even backed up my pick, but now say it wasn't a good pick.

I'm done with this nonsense. Maybe you'll get your wish and you'll piss off everybody else with your idiocy just like the last time you played.

the last time I played was a week ago and I was literally the best villager in the game.
this was from the best wolf on the site:

Baudib prolly village mvp

the last time I played before that I was one of the best 2-3 villagers in a game in which we WTFpwn3d 15 wolves in 5 days.
this is from the best game mod on the site

I thought baudib quietly has an excellent game ftr.

the last time I played before that is what you're probably referring to, in which I was also the best villager in the game and handed the village the clear path to victory.

[OngBonga]

Please shoot me vig.

[gabe]

ong got me to LOL for 2nd time this thread. luco had the first one.

u guys drop the negative bs...its a waste of time. werewolf is awesome because it puts us in these strategic situations

[baudib]

avoiding thread in night period is super wolfy

i've been in games where thread reopens 1-2 hours after lynch and wolves avoid drawing attention to themselves in that period, especially after a villa lynch.

[dhubermex]

There are approximately 9 hours remaining in Night #1.

I may not be around at precisely 9am ET, but all submissions made by that time are final.

Events from Night #1 will be posted between 9am - 12:00 Noon ET.

[Hoopy]

baud vs wuf in the ultimate showdown!

But seriously they're not both wolves after that.

[Hoopy]

What does everyone think of boog?

[Hoopy]

Can't say I'm surprised. Jkds's reputation will mean wolves will be happy. Bound to be some on the wagon. Towards the end there was little point piling on so not switching to jkds late is not indicative of being a villager.

JKDS wagon was rilla, baudib, gabe, boog and me. Who do you think is a wolf from that lot?

[rong]

Because jkds got lynched in day one through spurious reasoning which was led by gabe.

It's easy to follow gabe.

Jkds is a top target for the wolves.

Ergo, they would very likely do their best to make that happen.

[rong]

Oh, who not why.

Could be any. That's why I want your or ongs roles to be known via the vig as that's a lot of heavy hitters and we need more info about them.

[rong]

Come on dhuber! We're waiting.

[dhubermex]

Night #1 Actions

A) The Angel acts.

B) The Vigilante shoots BankItDrew. BankItDrew was a Regular Villager.

C) The Wolves act, they nominate a500lbgorilla, who is saved by the Angel.

D) The Seer acts.

-

Night #1 has concluded and Day #2 is underway!

[rong]

Haha nice one angel. Great job.

And we now have a confirmed villager in rilla.

[rong]

Not unhappy with the vig choice. It removes a potential problem.

[rong]

Baudib, gabe, boog, hoopy.

All on the jkds wagon. Part of me thinks that's the beat place to look. But I really want to know ongs allegiance before I dive in to that pool.

[dhubermex]

List of Players

a500lbgorilla
BankItDrew (Regular Villager --- Shot by Vigilante --- Night #1)
baudib
BooG690
gabe
Hoopy
JKDS (Regular Villager --- Lynched --- Day #1)
lilrascal
Luco
OngBonga
rong
wufwugy

Roles

4 Regular Villagers
1 Angel
1 Seer
1 Vigilante
3 Wolves

10 Players Remaining. 6 Votes are required for a majority lynch.

[Luco]

Solid save by the angel, well done

Baudib, gabe, boog, hoopy.

All on the jkds wagon. Part of me thinks that's the beat place to look. But I really want to know ongs allegiance before I dive in to that pool.

Yep. If ong is a villager then wolves could be on either wagon.

He's still my top pick.

[rong]

Rilla dead tonight unless some unexpected happenings happen.

Hopefully he'll put in some legwork today.

[dhubermex]

Day #2 will last a maximum of 76 hours, meaning the new cut-off time has been moved up 4 hours to Monday @ 1:00pm ET.

New Mod Rules/Requests

A) Please do not "lynch" a single player twice in a row without rescinding first. There is no in-game punishment for this, it's simply a friendly request.

B) A MINIMUM of 2 votes for a single player is required for a lynch. The mod will not act on a single lynch vote at the End of Day, regardless of who reached the number "1" initially.

[baudib]

n1 rascal v

[baudib]

LOLWOLVES

nj angel

[Luco]

With all the energy surrounding yesterday I think it's unlikely we were 0/3 in lead wagons

[Luco]

avoiding thread in night period is super wolfy

baud vs wuf in the ultimate showdown!

But seriously they're not both wolves after that.

What does everyone think of boog?

JKDS wagon was rilla, baudib, gabe, boog and me. Who do you think is a wolf from that lot?

Maybe you should have just avoided the thread, it's not like you've actually said anything here

[Luco]

How many excuses has ong come up with so far for not bringing his A-game? Apathy, herb life, frustration, what else?

[BooG690]

Villagers

Rilla
Gabe
Luco
Rong
------
Neutral
Rascal
Boog
Wuf
Ong
-----
Kill with Fire
BID
Hoopy

Estimate 0.8 wolves in Wuf/BID, 1.2 wolves in Ong/Hoopy

I don't have to reveal all of my true intentions before the results of night actions. levels and all.

So, now that night's over, please explain how BID was wolfy at all after he switched to hoopy to put hoopy in the lead? What was the logic in that thinking?