May 2015 Werewolf Gameplay Thread

[OngBonga]

great, so you're doing a good job of making your alignment known here.

That isn't my priority. My priority is to put my vote on a wolf.

[baudib]

Gabe's approach to WW is so different from anyone I've ever seen.

In some ways it is probably an insult to his work ethic but my view of him is that he was probably put on this earth to be a great poker player/probabilistic thinker and his method of working through people's motivations or pretending to work through their motivations puts him on a level I can't even comprehend.

Because of that I've never found him to be the easiest player to work with, as a villager. I've never seen him this excited about an idea or really mixing it up and taking charge of the village. I think it's pretty interesting and I'm willing to see where it leads.

[baudib]

lynch OngBonga

[OngBonga]

Can someone pass me a tissue please?

[JKDS]

I agree

lynch ongbonga

[baudib]

I agree

lynch ongbonga

wolfy popin/pile on

thanks for giving me buyer's remorse so quickly

[JKDS]

Youre welcome!

[Hoopy]

To stop his wagon taking off?

At the same time making him a target for the wolves by potentially outing him. It's not like we'd string him up without letting him say something beforehand.

[OngBonga]

*potentially

If wuf says something, there's nothing potential about it. If wuf isn't a wolf, then the wolves will no doubt be asking if his first post is or isn't a crumb. I haven't helped them, I've given them a headache.

We're approaching deadline with me in the lead, so I'm claiming. I'm vanilla. My idea today was to try and play in a way that would have the wolves think I'm seer, ie aloof and unwilling to commit myself, hoping to draw the nom, but that's not happening now with the heat I'm getting.

I feel like the early heat on me was sincere, people like baudib and gabe who are just trying to figure out what the fuck I'm doing. But jkds and hoopy, I get the feeling there's wolfing here, moving in for the mislynch.

jkds is definitely skecth. It's very much unlike him to slap a vote down on me without detailed and logical reasons for me being a wolf. He knows he can read me better than most. He is more than capable of exposing my wolfiness. But here he just votes me with "i agree" and then fucks off again.

hoopy and jkds my top two picks, the third is in drew, rong, wuf, luco. This is where seer/vig should be looking imo.

[dhubermex]

BID has posted twice and has said he will be barely participating later on in the game. How are we ever to figure out his role. If he can't be replaced (LOOKING AT YOU HERE MOD!) then he needs to go now rather than later.

I understand your sentiment, but for now BID stays for the following two reasons.

A) He's participating in-thread at the moment, albeit very infrequently.

B) There aren't any available subs I know of. We had a sign-up cross thread in the Commune before this match started and weren't able to attract another player.

It's very difficult to get 12 people to be mega-lurkers + active contributors to a Werewolf match over a two week period due to exterior personal commitments. It's possible on larger forums to discourage sign-ups who may not be available for the duration of the match, but it's not an option when interest maxes out at 12.

So in short, thanks to BID and other low-activity players for making the match possible, and thanks to rong and other high-activity players for making the match awesome. If BID makes it to a point this game in which he's completely out of the loop, then we'll bully a veteran to fill-in for the remainder of the match.

[dhubermex]

There are approximately 18 hours remaining in Day 1.

Vote Count (as of Post #385)

OngBonga - 4
BankItDrew - 1
Hoopy - 1
wufwugy - 1

7 Votes required for majority lynch. If no majority can be reached by 9am ET Thursday, then the player who received the most votes will be lynched. Ties are broken by who reached the tying number first among the lynch candidates.

Note: I may not be around at precisely 9am ET tomorrow, but the vote tallies at exactly that moment will be final provided a majority isn't reached before then. Nighttime posting IS allowed this match.

[Luco]

Ong you say you have been playing special, did you leave a fake crumb?

[baudib]

lynch hoopy

We may have gotten some good stuff to analyze later on this Ong wagon at least.

I'll give Gabe the wagons he wants.

[baudib]

lynch hoopy

[baudib]

and I don't think Ong is cleared but it's a reasonably plausible explanation for his weird, agenda-driven behavior.

for now

[baudib]

and, i just realized, a really sick gambit to slow down his wagon AND dodge the seer if he's a wolf.

[OngBonga]

Ong you say you have been playing special, did you leave a fake crumb?

Nope because I wouldn't as special.

Last time I was seer I got picked off n2, iirc. I believe rilla was a wolf and I got their attention by not being my usual self.

[OngBonga]

and, i just realized, a really sick gambit to slow down his wagon AND dodge the seer if he's a wolf.

I've read this like four times now and can't figure out why I would expect to dodge the seer thanks to my post. I'd also expect to be high up in the vig list, especially having claimed vanilla. So it's not the best gambit, when I have the option of claiming seer or angel, which would definitely dodge the vig.

[baudib]

Ong, I think everyone respects your wolf game but no one would give you the award for having the most logical thought process 100% of the time. You've FPSd your way out of a lot of situations.

[a500lbgorilla]

Ong you say you have been playing special, did you leave a fake crumb?

Luco's warming up.

[gabe]

i'm here and will be here for a while

i'm going to use the ongexcuse for my last couple posts last night. specifically id like to retract saying hoopy/wuf duel is on. i dont think hoopy/wuf is the right competition out of the bottom 6 posters.



jkds hasnt posted much, which i know is not wolfy by itself. but it means he has so few posts they are easy to go over

Wait, whens day end?

all of us need to know this, but having it be the first thing on your mind worth asking about is wolfy. jkds doesnt interact with players but he did take the time to come up with this question. i think the issue of when the game day ends is more prevalent in wolf brains than a village brain. so this simple post, given context, is slightly wolfy

It was meeeeee



I was right tho...

i didnt think about this when i first saw it, but this is a very wolfy post. its a subconscious admission of guilt disguised as a joke gif. classic. this post allowed his mind to admit something when really it wanted to admit he was a werewolf. this is such a strong tell that i dont see how i'm voting for anyone else just based off this alone

Thats the rub tho, isnt it?

Actions are not wolfy or villagery. Its the motivation behind them.

Also, gabe almost always asks for angel protection early. Idk why.

jkds is considering this type of thing when he is constructing his posts. "what will it look like my motivations are" is a big part of his thought process. it must be, because he mentioned it in the combined 6 sentences he had posted at his point. this is something wolves do way more than villagers. if you keep in mind hes trying to manage how his motivations appear, then him calling out the voting system i suggest in the manner he did makes so much sense, if hes a wolf.

Wait, you've done this as a wolf before; or am I wrong?

jkds' wolf brain trying to wrap itself around wolfy actions in others

Did you really think this part through?

wolves spend time thinking things through...and thinking things about thinking things through......as a villager i was just flowing


LYNCH JKDS

[gabe]

$5 says hes a wolf. even money

[baudib]

Offering wagers is against the spirit of the game IMO.

[gabe]

you are right. i dont want to actually wager with anyone

[gabe]

for the sake of balance ill say ive offered wagers as a wolf before

so just ignore that and focus on the jkds case itself

[JKDS]

Im far too much of a team player, and far too risk-adverse to post a gif like that as wolf. You'll recall times when I've done something wacky, but you'll also recall each of those times occurring where there was minimal risk. In a seer game, in my first few posts, the risk is far too high and there is no reward. Im ballsy, but im not reckless.

And yes, I think things through and care about deadline times. I could right a book about why everyone should, regardless of role.

[a500lbgorilla]

Yeah, but you also used to hunt wolves.

[gabe]

yes of course everyone should think things through and also care about deadline times. the point wasnt that you made a mistake in doing these things. the mistake was for you to ONLY post about these things. combine that with the GIF and you gotta die

[gabe]

Im far too much of a team player, and far too risk-adverse to post a gif like that as wolf. You'll recall times when I've done something wacky, but you'll also recall each of those times occurring where there was minimal risk.

sure i believe you are risk adverse as a wolf. i also believe you didnt think, at the time of your gif post, that the gif appeared as anything but innocent fun

[baudib]

I'm kind of a sucker for GIF reads. I was in a recent mash and someone posted a gif of Walter White doing the hands up, "Ya got me!"

Another poster pointed out that it's an incredibly incriminating thing to post and suggests a guilty mindset. Walter White, after all, was indeed a wolf.

It seemed like a legit read and I think Gabe is making an honest read here.

turns out the guy posting the gif was a villager, but I still like the genuine nature of the read. I don't think a wolf has the balls to put that kind of thing out there.

[JKDS]

You crazy.

@Rilla: Usually only day2 onwards. Day1s are boring to me.

[wufwugy]

That said, Wuf feels unusually detached from the thread. There are plenty of interesting topics to discuss that he has steered clear from. Also, I don't think Wuf appreciates the urgency in this game, which is higher than usual. We have a small game (only 9 villagers) and a daily vig, so theoretically we could lose with a mislynch on D3.

Over the last year, and especially the last couple months, I have gradually reduced the amount of clutter I post. I used to post anytime I had a thought and not even read much of other peoples' posts, but now I don't post that much and I reread the posts regularly. I don't have that much time during the week to devote to this game, which is good because if I had more I would be bored and posting lots of clutter, which would, as always, have a detrimental effect on how well I read things.

I'll do by best to get to everything I can, but really I only have like ~90 minutes each weekday to devote to the game. That's not much at all, and far lower than I would devote before.

I disagree with the urgency, but we can talk about that after the game.

Boog, Wuf has been notoriously difficult to lynch. Also, Wuf has rarely ever been a bottom poster at any point in any game. In general I like your tone this game but these posts are unsettling. Not sure what to make of these, could be nothing.

I've been near bottom poster on d1 several times, and I think I've become an easy lynch since the days of yore when I used to have more time and more obsession with pwning faces that I would clutter a lot because I thought I was gatting suckas by doing so.

I think it was Gold Rush where it took him 3 game days to start to even consider the woolliness of actual people playing werewolf.

I was a villager in that game.

[JKDS]

My last post was directed at Gabe. Baudib is only sorta crazy.

[a500lbgorilla]

You crazy.

@Rilla: Usually only day2 onwards. Day1s are boring to me.

Not at all a little bit curious as to who might be a wolf?

[a500lbgorilla]

Day 4 wolves are found through Day 1 work. You don't want to invest today in the future wolf-killing infrastructure of tomorrow?

[wufwugy]

I don't think I will ever lynch JKDS d1 because I think he is the best player here. I also adore when I caught him as serial killer. That was the most complex yet accurate read I made, and I'm proud of it.

[wufwugy]

Day 4 wolves are found through Day 1 work. You don't want to invest today in the future wolf-killing infrastructure of tomorrow?

Very true. Granted I think it's all about a macro assessment of the logic and behavior of the players. At least for me. Others are intuitive in other ways.

[JKDS]

Not at all a little bit curious as to who might be a wolf?

Super curious. But day 1 is mostly people making mountains out of molehills, and I got shit to do.

[a500lbgorilla]

Super curious. But day 1 is mostly people making mountains out of molehills, and I got shit to do.

Nothing at all gives you a little shot of, "hey that shits wolfy"? Reading posts isn't connecting to some deep working memory and forcing you to start to push people around into piles of V and W?

[a500lbgorilla]

I mean, clearly reading posts is getting some sort of a reaction out of you. Got you to post a gif.

[Luco]

Im far too much of a team player, and far too risk-adverse to post a gif like that as wolf. You'll recall times when I've done something wacky, but you'll also recall each of those times occurring where there was minimal risk. In a seer game, in my first few posts, the risk is far too high and there is no reward. Im ballsy, but im not reckless.

And yes, I think things through and care about deadline times. I could right a book about why everyone should, regardless of role.

I just read gabe's case and could have gone either way, but within an hour of your name getting called you're here with this measured response. You're weighing your words here.

[JKDS]

Nothing at all gives you a little shot of, "hey that shits wolfy"? Reading posts isn't connecting to some deep working memory and forcing you to start to push people around into piles of V and W?

I have inklings. Im not confident in any of them atm tho.

I just read gabe's case and could have gone either way, but within an hour of your name getting called you're here with this measured response. You're weighing your words here.

Show me a time when I havent. Im bar prepping atm, and its soooooo easy to click the little "new post" button and read something fun instead of legal jargon nonsense.

[baudib]

If I were angel I'd rand the protect between myself, Gabe and Rilla, weighing myself the least.

I'm probably not the angel but it'd be a decent strategy here.

And thus I just gave us all a bit of protected equity and forced the wolves to consider a less-than-optimal shot.

[gabe]

Show me a time when I havent.

ok...http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...55#post2236755

jkds has been seriously accused of being a wolf but dont worry, he'll be a good villager in the future! thats what hes saying right?

[baudib]

Gonna do a serious review of Rascal and come back with a definitive stance on him after night.

[baudib]

Luco trending slightly upward. I think he is being perceptive of a lot of inconsistencies in people's thought processes and is relatively engaged.

however he is not offering any real original thoughts and this MO is pretty good cover for a wolf trying to slip in bits of doubt here and there.

I liked what Boog was posting when he was here but his long absences have me considering the fact that he just did enough to escape suspicion D1 (I gave him something of a free pass) and he's now skating by.

We have to deal with Wuf's lame excuses and poor fundamental approach to WW every game so it's just a fact of life now.

[dhubermex]

There are approximately 14 hours remaining in Day 1.

Vote Count (as of Post #421)

OngBonga - 3
Hoopy - 2
BankItDrew - 1
JKDS - 1
wufwugy - 1

7 Votes required for majority lynch. If no majority can be reached by 9am ET Thursday, then the player who received the most votes will be lynched. Ties are broken by who reached the tying number first among the lynch candidates.

Note: I may not be around at precisely 9am ET tomorrow, but the vote tallies at exactly that moment will be final provided a majority isn't reached before then. Nighttime posting IS allowed this match.

[baudib]

JFC, we have another 14 hours? I thought EOD was tonight.

LOL @ you guys who don't want to actually play WW for 72 hours cuz it's D1.

[lilrascal]

I just got home and going to catch up on the thread.

[a500lbgorilla]

Can we see who's voting for who?

[wufwugy]

I'll be gone after D4 but I can still vote during that time. I just won't be able to follow along and make quality decisions (not that I've ever made a correct bold before, because I don't think I have).

But still, lynching a non playing villager is worse than lynching a villager/wolf with content every single day of the week.

I apologize in advance for my effort this game. I'd be willing to sub out if the mod can find someone better.

Fwiw I think gabe is a villager and likrascal is a wolf.

lynch wuf

cause f u that's y

What are we supposed to do with this? You say you think rascal is a wolf but then bold me.

This ups the quality of the policy lynch, since you also have shown that even though you know the game has started, you're not participating.

inb4 bid lives to endgame then makes the deciding bold as he says "lollolololl what is even happening". Sadly he's done that as a villager, but fortunately he also has done that as a wolf.

[lilrascal]

I thought you were picking a trivial point here, but if you're not used to gabe doing this I can see why it stands out

He has asked for angel protection before, more than once.

Sounds sexy. The nasty kind of sexy though, the one that makes it difficult to look each other in the eye the mornin after

I don't get the wuf angel claim ong. Not the timing, the rationale, or the motivation. Even after you explained it I don't know how you got from Hey it's a game to Hi I'm angel.

Second part is irrelevant if we form the wagons early enough.

I think bid discussion is premature.

These posts by Luco are reinforcing my villa read on him. Luco's being a helpful villa and definitely reading the thread with thought.

[lilrascal]

Can we see who's voting for who?

I think this is what you're asking for. D1 Vote Chartz.

Player	D1 Vote
a500lbgorilla	OngBonga
BankItDrew	wufwugy
baudib	Hoopy
BooG690	OngBonga
gabe	Rescind
Hoopy	Not Voting
JKDS	OngBonga
lilrascal	wufwugy
Luco	Not Voting
OngBonga	Rescind
rong	Not Voting
wufwugy	Rescind

[lilrascal]

his defense is "i was fucked up so i did something fucked up"

in general the village killing someone like this is +ev but part of me wants to believe him and focus on the wuf/hoopy duel


i dont know the data on it, but i know i do it and ive seen plenty of other people do it. it=wolfs avoiding making posts

What hoopy/wuf dual? You just invented it. Its not a thing in its own right you can refer to. You're trying to make it a thing and acting like it already is a thing to ensure it happens. That's sneaky and manipulative.

Rong makes a good point here. It's at least the second time Gabe has tried to make something out of nothing.

Rong looking better and Gabe looking worse IMO.

[gabe]

rascal, my vote is on jkds. your chart doesnt have that

[gabe]

Rong makes a good point here. It's at least the second time Gabe has tried to make something out of nothing.

i did address this somewhat. when i got home from partying last night i made some ill advised posts. thats what i meant when i said i had to use the ongexcuse. i was too inebriated for the posts i made like 14 hours ago

regardless most of my werewolf success comes from making something out of nothing

[lilrascal]

1) I don't think BID should be lynched, by his own admission he'll absent most of the game so replacing him will make for a better game overall no?

2) It's important to talk about it.

This one looks like posting to post and is definitely not wolf hunting.

Anyone else think Luco is following gabe's line too readily?

I don't read Luco that way at all. Luco was disagreeing with Gabe, so he's not following Gabe's line.

To properly determine whether gabe is correct that post count does still correlate with wolfiness we'd need to look at individual day post counts for each game rather than totals. Because total post count is skewed by extra posts at the end and people who get killed early obviously having lower overall counts. Might have to control for other factors as well.

Lots of work to do manually, could be done quicker with decent programming ability. Time is the limiting factor right now.

Interesting problem though.

Another post about doing other things instead of wolf hunting.


I don't think this looks good for Hoopy.

[lilrascal]

rascal, my vote is on jkds. your chart doesnt have that

I must have missed it while looking for the votes. I'll go back and check.

i did address this somewhat. when i got home from partying last night i made some ill advised posts. thats what i meant when i said i had to use the ongexcuse. i was too inebriated for the posts i made like 14 hours ago

regardless most of my werewolf success comes from making something out of nothing

Still catching up.

[lilrascal]

This chartz should be correct now. I had to correct my spreadsheet for rescinding instead of unvoting.

Player	D1 Vote
a500lbgorilla	OngBonga
BankItDrew	wufwugy
baudib	Hoopy
BooG690	OngBonga
gabe	JKDS
Hoopy	Not Voting
JKDS	OngBonga
lilrascal	wufwugy
Luco	Not Voting
OngBonga	Hoopy
rong	Not Voting
wufwugy	BankItDrew

[lilrascal]

After catching up, Wuf looks a little better. Not great, but enough to give him another day.

Rescind Wuf

[lilrascal]

Lynch Hoopy

[gabe]

anyone else not liking when the day ends? going to be hard for people to be online then which means we have to just leave bolds on people when we go to sleep..

[baudib]

yeah but it's kinda always that way for UK players.

It's 50-50 if Ill be awake.

[lilrascal]

anyone else not liking when the day ends? going to be hard for people to be online then which means we have to just leave bolds on people when we go to sleep..

I don't like it. I'd rather EOD be late evening when everyone (or at least most people) can be here.

[lilrascal]

I'll be awake, but at work, which makes it difficult for me to post then.

[BooG690]

Rescind OngBonga, lynch JKDS

Gabe's read is spot on here. Better yet, OngBonga is reading a lot more genuine now.

[baudib]

What are we supposed to do with this? You say you think rascal is a wolf but then bold me.

This ups the quality of the policy lynch, since you also have shown that even though you know the game has started, you're not participating.

inb4 bid lives to endgame then makes the deciding bold as he says "lollolololl what is even happening". Sadly he's done that as a villager, but fortunately he also has done that as a wolf.

this is actually a pretty good post by Wuf here

it is CLASSIC wolf behavior to go on about "I think Player A is a wolf blah blah blah. Lynch Player B."

[baudib]

you guys might not like the sort by post count wolf hunting, but I am pretty damn sure you will get a high % of wolves in some sort of combo of bottom half of post count + last to vote.

[gabe]

i dont hate wuf's reasoning for bid but i dont think we can get enough support together to lynch BID. wuf, pick between jkds/hoopy. i think jkds is a very good pick. i'm also completely fine with hoopy. luco also deserves a look but dont think that will happen today

id also like to reiterate baudib's angel suggestions

[gabe]

also i'm not going to vote for ong today. i believe him about spaz calling wuf out as the angel. if he is a wolf i feel good that we can pin him down later

[wufwugy]

IIRC around 3:00 PM EST has been a good eod time for UK and US folk. It's evening for UK and midday for US. It is near the end of the most active time. I remember because I'm always gone during it and come back to a ton of new posts, and when I modded I would set up eod for about 5:00 PM EST and it worked well. So if Dhubs wants to change it to that, it would work for most other players.

I think BID is either now or never. If he doesn't die today I won't be looking to lynch him at any future point. Unless of course he ups his activity, but without that it's regressive to return to a previous day's lynching with just that previous day's rationale. This is the rock and hard place problem we used to always have with some players being such low activity or not paying enough attention and getting to the endgame to breeze by as a wolf or screw the pooch as a villager. We haven't had an inactivity-in-the-endgame busting us up any of the time that Baud has played, because we punished the perpetrators so hard with policy lynches that we stamped the problem out for a while.

I do not like a JKDS lynch. I agree with most of what he's said so far. I also think he's very readable as games progress.

My sirens haven't gone off on Hoopy. The last time they did, he was a wolf. I don't really want to say why because I think he could easily exploit that.

This d1 has been a bit more eventful than some other d1s. That's good, but I think it's important to make sure to not get ahead of ourselves. A JKDS lynch is quite "ahead of ourselves" to me. That said, I'm not going to defend him because whenever I hard defend somebody, I seem to end up with egg on my face. Besides, it isn't that I think he's a villager, but that I don't see reason to think he's a wolf so far. I just know I've never read him other than null on d1.

I won't be back on till after eod. Muy muchos el luckamos muchachos! Hablo los perfectos espana!

[baudib]

IIRC around 3:00 PM EST has been a good eod time for UK and US folk. It's evening for UK and midday for US. It is near the end of the most active time. I remember because I'm always gone during it and come back to a ton of new posts, and when I modded I would set up eod for about 5:00 PM EST and it worked well. So if Dhubs wants to change it to that, it would work for most other players.

I think BID is either now or never. If he doesn't die today I won't be looking to lynch him at any future point. Unless of course he ups his activity, but without that it's regressive to return to a previous day's lynching with just that previous day's rationale. This is the rock and hard place problem we used to always have with some players being such low activity or not paying enough attention and getting to the endgame to breeze by as a wolf or screw the pooch as a villager. We haven't had an inactivity-in-the-endgame busting us up any of the time that Baud has played, because we punished the perpetrators so hard with policy lynches that we stamped the problem out for a while.

I do not like a JKDS lynch. I agree with most of what he's said so far. I also think he's very readable as games progress.

My sirens haven't gone off on Hoopy. The last time they did, he was a wolf. I don't really want to say why because I think he could easily exploit that.

This d1 has been a bit more eventful than some other d1s. That's good, but I think it's important to make sure to not get ahead of ourselves. A JKDS lynch is quite "ahead of ourselves" to me. That said, I'm not going to defend him because whenever I hard defend somebody, I seem to end up with egg on my face. Besides, it isn't that I think he's a villager, but that I don't see reason to think he's a wolf so far. I just know I've never read him other than null on d1.

I won't be back on till after eod. Muy muchos el luckamos muchachos! Hablo los perfectos espana!

If this is Wuf's last post of the day it is full of fail in so many ways my head is going to explode:

1. Wuf is a viable wagon and offers no defense nor even a self-pres vote. GJGE if you're a villager, Wuf.

2. Wuf is so married to voting inactives on D1 he will not even consider other wolfy behavior even in a D1 which has been very long, featured 446 (!) posts (more than entire games in some past cases) even when he says it has been eventful.

3. The idea that you can't try to lynch someone you tried to lynch the day before is so mind boggling I can't even comment.

4. Wuf acts as if I have never seen inactives before. I've seen inactives in almost every game I've ever played. I play in giant mashes where there are typically 3-6 zero posters every day. I've played in a game here where the SEER and Big Red both went AWOL for days and the village won. In fact Big Red being AWOL helped the village win immensely.

[gabe]

wuf, voting BID is practically a random shot. we can do way better than random!! we have lots of good wolf hunting villagers (you might even be one of them)


i think i already mentioned that i would be OK with hoopy. but he hasnt done anything specifically that gave me a wolf tell. i see him posting little and not having much substance when he does, but there was not alarm bells for me. jkds gave me alarm bells. rascal also did this in a minor way, but at least he posts his thoughts often and is active in helping the village


i'm not going to move off jkds. the village is too inactive for me to expect someone might convince me otherwise

[baudib]

I'm not sure it matters which one we lynch here, the wagons are good and we have other means of dealing with the situation if anything crazy develops in the next 8 hours (lynch through reveal).

Hoopy, JKDS, Wuf, I suspect you all have a very high chance of not living to D2. If you have anything compelling to offer, now's the time.

[baudib]

D2 is gonna be amazing. There's a chance I'll refrain from night posting.

Wolves, I'm coming for you.