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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    35% is fold equity 65% is call equity
    37% is Hero's hand equity to win against Villain's calling range 63% is Hero's hand equity to lose against Villain's calling range
    As I understand it the 37% is the chance that you get called and win anyway. (also the chance of getting called and losing)
    I fail to see why this being is multiplied by the chance of getting called* again.

    * which is already factored in afaics


    If you said that you assume V checks 100% then I missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timlagor View Post
    As I understand it the 37% is the chance that you get called and win anyway. (also the chance of getting called and losing)
    No.

    37% is the equity Hero's actual specific hand has to win against Villain's range.
    How Villain got that range (betting, calling, whatever) is irrelevant.

    I didn't actually check to see if the 37% was accurate in the example in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timlagor View Post
    I fail to see why this being is multiplied by the chance of getting called* again.

    * which is already factored in afaics
    EV = (%chance of call)*(value of call) + (%chance of fold)*(value of fold)
    (All options need to be accounted for.)

    NOW:
    value of call is this
    (value of call) = (%chance to win)*(value of win) + (%chance to lose)*(value of loss)

    SO, plug that into EV
    EV = (%chance of call)*((%chance to win)*(value of win) + (%chance to lose)*(value of loss)) + (%chance of fold)*(value of fold)

    So the distributive property applies to the big parentheses, and we have

    EV =
    (%chance of call)*(%chance to win)*(value of win)
    + (%chance of call)*(%chance to lose)*(value of loss)
    + (%chance of fold)*(value of fold)

    Do you see it now?
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    No.

    I didn't actually check to see if the 37% was accurate in the example in this thread.
    Based on this info:

    Villain is a Fish who calls PF with 100% of his range and calls a 50% cbet OTF with any slightly made hand which includes stuff like A high and Overs.

    I hold AcKh

    Flop: Qd6s5d

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