Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

[wufwugy]

you can argue that Hoopy is even being wolfier than Wuf at this point.

tbh im super reluctant to express an opinion on hoopy because i think no villagers should take it to mean anything. we already have evidence of people clearing their buddies, mmm cleared bid and you cleared rilla, all right quick. i dont think villagers saying how villagery their link is does us any good. wolves will do the same thing and there's no way we can tell the difference

that said, you do not remember hoopy's wolf games. remember my previous game, where i picked him up for wolf on d1. this isn't his wolf game, but im not terribly interested in saying why. ofc i am game to hearing rationale for why hoopy is a wolf. a self-lynch for the purpose of bringing down a wolf is the lord's work. but "he's wolfy" doesn't cut it

[baudib]

still in lawyer mode eh?

[baudib]

tbh im super reluctant to express an opinion on hoopy because i think no villagers should take it to mean anything. we already have evidence of people clearing their buddies, mmm cleared bid and you cleared rilla, all right quick. i dont think villagers saying how villagery their link is does us any good. wolves will do the same thing and there's no way we can tell the difference

that said, you do not remember hoopy's wolf games. remember my previous game, where i picked him up for wolf on d1. this isn't his wolf game, but im not terribly interested in saying why. ofc i am game to hearing rationale for why hoopy is a wolf. a self-lynch for the purpose of bringing down a wolf is the lord's work. but "he's wolfy" doesn't cut it

clearing BID and Rilla is super easy.

[wufwugy]

still in lawyer mode eh?

maybe i should play as whimsically as you. maybe i should say one thing and do another

it's like you think it's strange that i have been arguing for positions. you say it's strange that im defending myself as im on the chopping block. you say it's strange that im looking for wolves

instead i should be like you have argue for nothing yet assume everything

[wufwugy]

clearing BID and Rilla is super easy.

good news! game is over! BID Rilla Baud and MMM are villagers!

[baudib]

maybe i should play as whimsically as you. maybe i should say one thing and do another

it's like you think it's strange that i have been arguing for positions. you say it's strange that im defending myself as im on the chopping block. you say it's strange that im looking for wolves

instead i should be like you have argue for nothing yet assume everything

no i don't say any of these things.

[baudib]

good news! game is over! BID Rilla Baud and MMM are villagers!

this is pretty much where i'm at, you can add Ong and Monstr to the list too.

still a lot of work to do.

[lilrascal]

I just got home and did a quick skim of the thread.

Here's my take on what's going on with respect to Ong: All of his posting and posturing is Ong trying to convince me he's a villa.

I laid a trap for him last night and caught him in it. Based on the trap I caught him in, he's either a wolf or a paranoid villa.

My read on him right now is that he's likely a wolf in which case we (Ong/Rascal) need to get lynched.

I'm not going to vote him right now as I don't want to set up a possible MAJ for the wolves in case our interaction is V on V violence.

[lilrascal]

My statement above about not wanting to vote him now should not be taken as I don't want to vote him.

[baudib]

sigh

[wufwugy]

no i don't say any of these things.

you have implied them all and your actions are based on them

this is pretty much where i'm at, you can add Ong and Monstr to the list too.

because you're so trustworthy. you can clear players willy nilly. villagers can never do this. if you truly thought your list was cleared, you would also think the game is over

still a lot of work to do.

none of which you have done

[OngBonga]

rascal thinking I'm a wolf makes zero sense. This has to be an attempt to make this look like v/v.

Kill us.

lynch ong

[lilrascal]

I'll give the villa some more help here.

I'm Kreiger of ISIS. The one in the OP that let everyone know about the mind-bombs.

[lilrascal]

rascal thinking I'm a wolf makes zero sense. This has to be an attempt to make this look like v/v.

Kill us.

lynch ong

Now, I'm pretty convinced you are a wolf. Your last post prior to this one is at 3:01PM, then 6 minutes after I post, 4 hours and 31 minutes after your previous post you come back to the thread.

I'm pretty sure that you were told in wolfchat to come back in the thread.

I agree with you btw.

Lynch Ong

[OngBonga]

lol at getting a timing tell on me lurking. I've been hitting f5 half hourly, waiting for you.

[lilrascal]

But you've just gone BATM crazy with your posting today.

As a villa and with what has happened, there's only one way for me to read this. You're a wolf, I just don't get what you're play is here, other than you know I had caught you.

[OngBonga]

This has to be theatre from rascal. If he's a villager, he should know I'm just a villager. I'm not going to refer to anything in our private chat because that's against the rules, hint hint. I'd sooner we get lynched than modkilled.

What I can talk about is this... rascal is suggesting that I'm trying to win his trust by spazzing at him and telling everyone I think he's a wolf. Now bearing in mind I spazzed out as a wolf last game and paid the price, who here actually thinks I'd do that, in this format, where succeeding in getting my buddy lynched results in my own death? rascal is either not thinking through why I would ever do this as a wolf, or he's a wolf looking desperately for a way out of this.

partner on partner warfare is likely to come across as v/v, when push comes to shove. That's why he's attacking me.

[OngBonga]

Kill us.

[baudib]

villagers can never do this. if you truly thought your list was cleared, you would also think the game is over

stop acting like you have never played WW before. not even the biggest Wuf detractors think you are this stupid.

[lilrascal]

You're the one creating the theater with your posting today.

I've done my job for the village this game. I found a wolf and outed him.

[baudib]

[baudib]

Rascal, on scale of 1-10, what's your confidence on Ong being a wolf?

[baudib]

early assessment

Ong-Rascal

V-V 25%
W-V 40%
V-W 30%
W-W 5%

[OngBonga]

So this is all just an effort to convince you I'm a villager, right?

Answer me this... 15 minutes before deadline, what was your read on me?

[lilrascal]

Rascal, on scale of 1-10, what's your confidence on Ong being a wolf?

8

As I said, he's either a wolf or a super paranoid villa. I think he's more likely a wolf and is trying to create the case he stated that I'm trying to create.

Just kill us and get rid of the distraction.

[OngBonga]

If rascal was thinking like a villager, he's understand why I'm obviously a villager. But he's thinking like a wolf, trying to figure out a way to convince me I'm wrong.

[Keybored]

Wuf...I was up your ass d1 but I was wrong. Solid villager in my book. However, I still think...
Hoopy's the Achilles heel of his team. Not necessarily a lock wolf, but a drag on the duo.

Rilla...I think you're lock V. But you gotta get a biopsy of that canker sore.
Baudib...You're a fucking wolf!

MMM...You're a villager in my head right now. But that could easily change!
BID...Yo're a villager in my head right now. Sniff your mate's ass a little more for us.

Ong...If you say Rascal is a wolf, then I'll respect. For now.
Rascal...I like you as villager, so I'm torn. Free pass this d2--barely.

Daven...You sound villager to me. However...
BigRed...You're the yin to your mate's yang. No vote=Fuck you. Wolfy.

Boog...I find you nearly lock villager.
Monstr...I find you neutral. Your two need to sniff each others' asses.

Luco...My bitch. Jury's still out partner.
Keybored...Lock villager.

There it is folks. That's this kid's reads. Until something else cracks...

LYNCH BAUDIB and the horse he's riding around on, Rilla.

[lilrascal]

So this is all just an effort to convince you I'm a villager, right?

Answer me this... 15 minutes before deadline, what was your read on me?

15 minutes before deadline, I had you as villa.

5 minutes before deadline, you were neutral.

After reveal, I had you as a wolf.

[baudib]

well that's interesting but I don't find the Ong-Rascal pairing more compelling than resolving 1 of Wuf/Boog.

[OngBonga]

15 minutes before deadline, I had you as villa.

5 minutes before deadline, you were neutral.

After reveal, I had you as a wolf.

Right, so this huge effort to convince you I'm a villager is depsite the fact that you were reading me as villager.

You think I'm trying to convince you I'm a villager.

This is ridiculous. I'm obviously a villager. You should be trying to convince me you are.

[lilrascal]

If rascal was thinking like a villager, he's understand why I'm obviously a villager. But he's thinking like a wolf, trying to figure out a way to convince me I'm wrong.

I'm not just thinking like a villager, I am a villager.

I don't understand what you're doing today no matter what you end up flipping. It makes no sense to me in either role you could be.

At this point, we just need to be the D2 lynch to get rid of the distraction for the village.

[lilrascal]

Right, so this huge effort to convince you I'm a villager is depsite the fact that you were reading me as villager.

You think I'm trying to convince you I'm a villager.

This is ridiculous. I'm obviously a villager. You should be trying to convince me you are.

I guess reading comprehension is a problem for you. Reread my post and you'll see you went from villa to wolf imo in a very short time based on information that I have and can't reveal.

[OngBonga]

I understand what you're doing. You're hoping this looks like v/v. You know the village already have me as villager, so all you need to do is to convince everyone else you're a villager. Attacking my partner worked for me, maybe it works for you. idk. But it makes no sense for you to think this is a wolf move, none whatsoever. That just reaffirms my read that you're a wolf. I can't see why you wouldn't have just facepalmed me and tried to convince me I'm just paranoid. Your natural assumption is that I'm gonna go balls out trying to convince you I'm a villager, when you pretty much already thought that anyway? I don't believe that. If I'm a wolf, it was all going great until I lit this fire. So no, it makes no sense whatsoever for you to think I'm a wolf. Thus, it's theatre.

[baudib]

I don't understand what you're doing today no matter what you end up flipping. It makes no sense to me in either role you could be.

I have to agree 100% with this. I have zero idea what Ong has been doing this game day.

[Keybored]

ONG & RASCAL: Listen up. If you both are true-dat serious about being villagers, then check it...

DO NOT VOTE and STOP DISTRACTING US.

Give us time to digest.

In other words...

Shut Thee Fuck Up!

For a while.

thx

v.

[lilrascal]

I understand what you're doing. You're hoping this looks like v/v. You know the village already have me as villager, so all you need to do is to convince everyone else you're a villager. Attacking my partner worked for me, maybe it works for you. idk. But it makes no sense for you to think this is a wolf move, none whatsoever. That just reaffirms my read that you're a wolf. I can't see why you wouldn't have just facepalmed me and tried to convince me I'm just paranoid. Your natural assumption is that I'm gonna go balls out trying to convince you I'm a villager, when you pretty much already thought that anyway? I don't believe that. If I'm a wolf, it was all going great until I lit this fire. So no, it makes no sense whatsoever for you to think I'm a wolf. Thus, it's theatre.

Obviously you don't understand where I'm coming from.

I want to lynch you based on the following:

(1) I think you're a wolf and you need to be lynched.

(2) If you happen to be a villa, then you need to be lynched because you're being a handicap to the village in what is going to be a tough game to solve.

[lilrascal]

ONG & RASCAL: Listen up. If you both are true-dat serious about being villagers, then check it...

DO NOT VOTE and STOP DISTRACTING US.

Give us time to digest.

In other words...

Shut Thee Fuck Up!

For a while.

thx

v.

:thumb:

My last post was the last one on that subject.

[Hoopy]

Seems like the trending insult at the moment is to insult people's reading comprehension.

No way baudib & wuf are both wolves, that much sustained aggression and bile does not happen on the fly between teammates.

[Hoopy]

early assessment

Ong-Rascal

V-V 25%
W-V 40%
V-W 30%
W-W 5%

Them both being wolves is crazy and makes no sense. Why would they play like this.

[baudib]

Them both being wolves is crazy and makes no sense. Why would they play like this.

to get massive village cred and get the other one deep.

[OngBonga]

to get massive village cred and get the other one deep.

cmon, this is coming from someone trying to slap me down at every opportunity.

[baudib]

cmon, this is coming from someone trying to slap me down at every opportunity.

patently false

[OngBonga]

Well still, "get the other one deep" is just nonsense.

[Hoopy]

to get massive village cred and get the other one deep.

If one dies so does the other,.

[baudib]

Ong has personally gone to extreme effort to point out that he's never a wolf when he suggests his partner is a wolf. Despite this, there has been little to no movement on lynching either one of them.

[baudib]

I realize there's self-pres involved, but I reckon that Wolf Rascal FPS this like virtually never. Rascal's not the most daring wolf, and I think he'd just protest his innocence while being content to take out a strong villager in Ong if shit hits the fan.

[baudib]

I still think Boog has the most wolf equity but I'm not sure that Boog-Monstr is the correct lynch

I'd rank it something like this

Boog 75% EW
Wuf 60%
Ong 40%
Hoopy 40%
Daven 35%
Rascal 30%
Big Red 30%
Luco 25%
Keybored 25%
MMM 23%
Monstrman 15%
Rilla 2%
BID 0%

[Keybored]

**UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT**

BAUDIB (4) = Boog, Wuf, MMM, Keyb
WUF (3) = Rilla, Baud, Monstr
ONG (3) = Luco, Ong, Rascal
BOOG (1) = BID

Not Voting: Daven, Hoopy, BigRed (still)

8 to lynch

[baudib]

MMM and Key -- your votes are the nut low right now. correct that.

[baudib]

i am unconvinced that any of the leading wagons are wolves because they seemed to just spring out of nowhere. but mmm is on boog and he's my most likely wolf. it could be that he's trying to protect gabe.

i dont like some other players on the boog wagon, but i'm keeping who and why to myself for now

gabe has a wolfy villager style, but i dont think he ever wakes up all of a sudden when he's villager and getting lots of heat, which he has done this game

lynch gabe

Wuf, do you care to share who you don't like on the Boog wagon now?

[OngBonga]

lynch baudib

[baudib]

gg village we lost. lynch the purest pairing available and the two players most actively trying to solve the game.

we won't recover from this one.

[OngBonga]

APPEAL TO FEAR

DON'T LYNCH ME OR WE'LL BE FUCKED

[baudib]

we're totally fucked, how are you navigating this with wuf-hoopy likely only being 1 wolf and 3 others to find?

not a single one of you have an iota of a case against me, none.

meanwhile wolfier wolf players are skating by with zero pro-village posts and zero effort.

gjge

you deserve to lose if your observational skills are this bad

kudos to you if you're a wolf though, Ong. Rilla will have to re-evaluate what he knows about WW.

[baudib]

enjoy the post-reveal "wolfy or stupid?" guessing game, i'll be in Pa. playing poker for the rest of the day.

[OngBonga]

Tell me I should feel bad.

[baudib]

nah you're just playing bad. it's only WW tho. Only feel bad if there's money involved.

[JKDS]

Mod Corner

Vote Count!
(5) Baudib: Boog, Wufwugy, Madmojomonkey, Keybored, ongbonga
(3) Wufwugy: a500lbgorilla, Baudib, Monstrman
(2) Ongbonga: Luco, Rascal
(1) Boog: Bankitdrew

Not Voting: Ugh, we've been overrrrr thisssssss.

Q & A

Q: Does the Narrative reveal any role information?
A: No, its just for fun.

Day 2 Ends in ~2 Days

[MadMojoMonkey]

Where's drunk Luco?
Where's drunk Hoopy?

I was thinking of switching my vote to ong, but baud just made me feel so warm and fuzzy with that speech of his.

Man, If baud is V, he should read a page or two out of the wuf playbook on how to get out of lynch... I'm pretty sure that berating your team is in the don't-do column.

[baudib]

What team? Who's making any effort at all? It's super easy to slank your way to victory as a wolf if the village doesn't GAF what anyone is doing and isn't paying any attention.

[baudib]

Let Wuf/Boog get a W as a wolf so they'll take their next village game seriously.

[baudib]

Here's a clue for you MMM, since you're probably a villager.

You and probably 2-3 other villagers voting for me have a list of 3-4 wolf suspects and I guarantee I don't work with any of them.

I'm leading the thread in original ideas by a mile and a half. Good luck to you.

[Luco]

I will say it again - lynching baud / rilla in this field is absurd.

I would be happy to lynch daven / bigred if we don't lynch Ong / rascal

Ong and rascal what are your thoughts on the rest of the field?

[Luco]

Where's drunk Luco?
Where's drunk Hoopy?

I was thinking of switching my vote to ong, but baud just made me feel so warm and fuzzy with that speech of his.

Man, If baud is V, he should read a page or two out of the wuf playbook on how to get out of lynch... I'm pretty sure that berating your team is in the don't-do column.

You posted this at 4.50 am UK time

I was on the red wine but I hit the wall and fell asleep at around midnight I think.

[Luco]

So there's 7 pairs.

Baud rilla
Ong rascal
Luco keybored
Daven bigred
Boog monstr
Bid mojo
Wuf hoopy

The lowest contributing pairs d2 are daven bigred, and boog monstr.

[a500lbgorilla]

Fantastic.

[a500lbgorilla]

So there's 7 pairs.

Baud rilla
Ong rascal
Luco keybored
Daven bigred
Boog monstr
Bid mojo
Wuf hoopy

The lowest contributing pairs d2 are daven bigred, and boog monstr.

Don't kill: Luco-Keybored, Rilla-Baudib, BID-MMM and win the game?

[a500lbgorilla]

APPEAL TO FEAR

DON'T LYNCH ME OR WE'LL BE FUCKED

Hey ong, the point of fallacies are to persuade people to change their minds. Baudib wants you to change because you're making a mistake from his persepctive - ya see?

[a500lbgorilla]

Hey ong, the point of fallacies are to persuade people to change their minds. Baudib wants you to change because you're making a mistake from his persepctive - ya see?

A MISTAKE BECAUSE HE'S A WOLF. - ong

There are more villagers than wolves in this game, and all of them would consider it a mistake. This isn't wolfy, ya see?

[a500lbgorilla]

A MISTAKE BECAUSE HE'S A WOLF. - ong

There are more villagers than wolves in this game, and all of them would consider it a mistake. This isn't wolfy, ya see?

STRAWMAN - ong

Fuck I'm going back to sleep.

[a500lbgorilla]

You won't unmask wolves in this game, ong. Though you're trying. Play the safer route, with me. Find high-density villager pairs and avoid them. Baudib isn't a wolf here.

[a500lbgorilla]

Baudib isn't a wolf here.

As best as I can guess right now.

[a500lbgorilla]

Hey wuf, do you think this is the game I really try as a wolf and cash in on all my sucks-at-wolf-meta OR do you think I really want to see if it's possible to win a no-specials game?

[lilrascal]

Here's some information that I noticed yesterday at EOD:

simultaneous post. I'm going with it.
Rescind Wuf (but fuck it we're lynching him tomorrow)
Lynch Gabe (which is obviously equivalent to a lynch vote for Rong = when one of gabe/rong flips wolf we go after mmm tomorrow cos he seems to be claiming that he wants rong lynched and would vote rong if he was a viable wagon but.... dunno what the but is really...)

rascal - gabe
rilla - boog
hoopy - boog
luco - wuf
rong - boog
gabe - baud
boog - gabe
key - wuf
baud - gabe
ong - gabe
bid - boog
monstr - baud
daven - wuf
mmm- boog
wuf - gabe

gabe - 5
boog - 5 (leads)
wuf - 2
baud - 3

I have openly said I'm taking the risk of protecting gabe today.

Tie breaker goes to boog... I can't believe I'm considering voting for gabe after I just posted that.

It's a vote for rong, not gabe, just to be clear. I think gabe is too strong to kill on D1... but so's a lot of people here.
I could be wrong about the anti-spew... but the 2pac?

Does a comfortable person or a distraught person post lyrics?
Comfortable

What's the vibe in those lyrics?
Can I trust my partner? Do I have the strength to kill myself for the win?

I struggle to see a wolf latching onto that... am I totally off?

I think daven's vote was unaccounted for in wuf's count... gabe is leading right now.

cmon mojo, tupac lyrics = villager points?

I'm pretty sure the votes are tied 6/6 with the tie going to boog


This is killing me.

lynch gabe

I hope it's the right move.

Mod Corner

Vote Count at Deadline
(7) Gabe : Ongobonga , Baudib, Boog, Lilrascal , Wufwugy, Daven, madmojomonkey
(5) Boog : BID, Gabe, Rong, Hoopy, Rilla
(2) Wufwugy : Keybored, Luco
(1) Baudib : Monstrman

Double Checking Vote Count Now.

I notice the unofficial VC is wrong and see that the actual VC is 6 for Gabe and 5 for Boog. MMM is voting for Boog and is the only one thinking of changing his vote in the thread.

With the real VC a change in MMM's vote means exactly nothing since it will only take a vote off of Boog and Gabe gets lynched. If MMM doesn't change his vote, Gabe still gets lynched.

With MMM thinking the VC is tied between Gabe and Boog and Boog getting lynched in a tie, then MMM switching off of Boog to anyone else lynches Gabe.

MMM did switch his vote to Gabe which he said he wouldn't do.

MMM has some explaining to do IMO.

[baudib]

Someone is being incorrectly cleared by the village core.

- ong-rascal is unlikely to make it past a day or 2 from now. Ong is too good a villager to think I'm a correct lynch, and he's a good enough wolf to fool people. He probably has 2x the wolf equity of Rascal
- I'm probably wrong in clearing 1 or both Daven or Keybored.