Ultimate Werewolf

[wufwugy]

if jkds' pick is right, i blame baud for abandoning killing daven

[wufwugy]

hey keith does it bug you that i barely even read your posts. i took great pleasure in that

[wufwugy]

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

because he's not lying in the morgue where you put Ong and gabe . You know, villager , as in someone living in the village. Just as you are a villager ... a hairy one with pointy teeth and a bushy tail.

.

[wufwugy]

daven should probably be next after keith flips wolf

[Luco]

lynch drew

[Hoopy]

yeah it wasnt even an insult. your mom's rockin. almost as much as hoopy's mom rockin to any rob schneider film

[baudib]

::::Channeling Gabe:::: JKDS' work and excitement can't be faked. I'll definitely spoon and consider it more than a bit homo. <3

@JKDS
Playing Devil's Advocate, of the three, Daven is the most likely to be a villager IMO. His find on BigRed's "Poor Guy. All Alone" post is in his favor, as well as rescinding the post because he didn't want to out the seer. Gabe explained why it was unlikely for a wolf to do that. Also Daven should be partially mechanically cleared based on the Gabe nom. I have no idea why Daven himself rejects this, but an ordered list of villager leans with Daven at the top, when Daven was arguably the most controversial player, could be interpreted as a crumb.

But Daven feels oddly disconnected from the thread. For him to come in after the whole Keith "Here's a villager" comment and pretend like it didn't happen is pretty bizarre. Like the most pressing issue was to talk about Feds & Smugglers?

He goes digging through Gabe posts and quotes two posts that has Keybored as his top wolf lean, and then a few posts later says this

I'd need to go and check, but wasn't gabe calling keybored a villager until his weird seer comment once his wagon was rolling?

Dude, what, you just posted what you needed to check. After the "weird seer comment" Gabe said he saw it and Keybored was still bold.

And how does he go from arguing with Wuf on Aubrey here

scary thing is she could easily be cursed right? or, if it gets tight at endgame then we're relying on her to make a cinch vote. We have bigred drifting along and aubrey apparently not reading the thread. I just hope the seer done got some live lookups, and that seer hasn't peeked at the miller.

To a list where he has her as null read and puts her as the last lynch?

[BankItDrew]

lynch drew

Fuck you lynch luco

[baudib]

@Luco
It's true I don't believe in gotchas, but following the thread in real time, huge alarm bells went off. You can ask JKDS and Wuf their thoughts, but it felt significant. And Keith's explanation was perhaps even more awkward ("you're a villager with a bushy tail and pointy teeth")

I didn't love the whole tunneling Key thing but I felt the best thing to do was let Keith do his thing. I don't think it should be possible for Wuf and Keith to both be wolves but their interactions were pretty damn weird.

[baudib]

Also JKDS' case on Keith was pretty solid before that IMO.

[baudib]

Fuck you lynch luco

Drew what are you doing this game?

[BankItDrew]

Drew what are you doing this game?

I'm totally disinterested.

I feel 50% ashamed, 50% lazy, and 100% appologetic.

I think I used up my excuses when I was mod a couple of games ago (maybe last game? Can't remember).

The problem is that I'm busy as fuck again this game (I'm sure no more busy than anyone here).

[wufwugy]

under no circumstances should bid survive an endgame scenario. i consider keith a higher priority lynch than bid, but i think they are both wolves

bid is playing very wolfbid.

[baudib]

I'm totally disinterested.

I feel 50% ashamed, 50% lazy, and 100% appologetic.

I think I used up my excuses when I was mod a couple of games ago (maybe last game? Can't remember).

The problem is that I'm busy as fuck again this game (I'm sure no more busy than anyone here).

I have huge responsibilities at work that I shirk to play this game, I play poker and my girlfriend is hotter than yours. That's a lot.

Plus Ong's mom.

[BankItDrew]

I have huge responsibilities at work that I shirk to play this game, I play poker and my girlfriend is hotter than yours. That's a lot.

Plus Ong's mom.

No doubt.

You shouldn't shirk huge work responsibilities for this game though imo.

FWIW my basic reads list is as follows:

baudib, wuf, and JKDS are all villagers.

luco and bigred are wolves

gator is the cursed one because i think monstrman thought "wtf is this shit" and gtfo

[baudib]

JKDS I would love to hear why you think Luco is a villager. I haven't read through much of the early game (it's just too damn hard to do that plus keep up, plus do life stuff during the holiday week), but his early stuff looked more wolf than villager to me.

As an example - posting that he would never vote for monstr on day 1 is an easy way for a wolf to take a soft line and buddy up to a villager. (This one is a tad thin though because it was his first day in his first game, but I don't think that should have made him completely exempt. If he is experienced enough he should have known that someone has to die day one and he could have been that person).

Second example was his post where he quoted JKDS and said that was his "least wolfy post". That JKDS post certainly didn't look ultra villagery to me because he mentioned reads on 7 players on like page 2. Yet this seemed to me to be Luco's attempt at, again, buddying up to someone and leveraging their thoughts.

Gator how caught up on you? I can't see how Luco can be a wolf in this game.

I don't think Luco has been as aggressive/in your face as in the Anon game, but his reads and thoughts correspond with my own quite often. And my read of the comment on JKDS' "least wolfy" post is that it was still somewhat wolfy.

Keith/Wuf could be V-V but I actually think they could be W-W more often.

[BankItDrew]

As far as the daven-keith-bid thing goes, i would say that the other two include one wolf 70% of the time, 20% both.

[baudib]

seriously, what's the case on Luco being a wolf?

[aubreymcfate]

idk if BID would be that open about not giving a shit about the game as a wolf

also i care way more than this is a villager too but i underestimated what my attention span would be like here, so i suck for that and im sorry

as i read through the thread my suspicions are mostly revolving around keith atm

[aubreymcfate]

err, overestimated

[BankItDrew]

seriously, what's the case on Luco being a wolf?

You didn't see him bold me?

[BankItDrew]

under no circumstances should bid survive an endgame scenario. i consider keith a higher priority lynch than bid, but i think they are both wolves

bid is playing very wolfbid.

You said you'd watch TV if I was a wolf. A few hours later, I make a few posts about how I'm not engaged, and you say I'm playing wolfbid?

[wufwugy]

i said id watch dexter, which means i would punish myself because it means all the praise i gave your evolving style was for naught since you just squirreled up as wolf yet again

[BankItDrew]

Don't worry, you won't have to.

[baudib]

Hi Aubrey:
Since you were the subject of debate can you weigh in on how well Wuf reads you.

Keith is lead wagon right now so, yeah. Any other suspicions?

[baudib]

And keith made a huge post (#560) where he switched from mojo to keybored but the thrust of it was about the irreconcilable contradiction between posts #36 and #549. I think that it's a fair point, but one that keith could make regardless of role. If nothing else, it shows that he's paying attention.

As for my overall impression of keith, he feels a bit 'softer' this game? Like, normally he feels like a teenager who has left her tampon in too long, but some comments he has made so far have been almost jovial by comparison. He joked about lynching ong just for lols, and when I said I wasn't enamoured with his posts his response to me was more inquisitive than hormonal. I don't actually know what that means for his role, but from memory he tends to fight his corner superbly as a villager so some healthy pressure could be illuminating.

Those posts don't really show much to me. The thing that made me think Keybored was a villager was his stance on MMM, especially as he was a runaway wagon. In my wolf games I try to find the best mislynch target and then find everything they say and talk about why it makes them a wolf.

[baudib]

I'm not sure how much I'll be around later but things are quiet now so i'll get some work done.

I think it'd be best to get down to 2-3 wagons and fight it out later, I'll be checking in.

[BankItDrew]

It's weird reading baudib posts after D1. Not sure what to make of them because I have no baseline.

[baudib]

one thing before i go, can anyone recall a time when Keith got lynched as a wolf? i need new reading material.

[Keith]

one thing before i go, can anyone recall a time when Keith got lynched as a wolf? i need new reading material.

yeah , i can remember a time it was the game that igot lynched and SDM was vig. if that helps

[baudib]

Keith, here's where you can display your great memory and tell me which game that was?

and Luco is correct, when did you get a sense of humor?

[Keith]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...rs-187611.html

[wufwugy]

pretty sure this is it. rilla destroyed

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...rs-187611.html

[wufwugy]

i remember that game being a bit shorter though.

and i dont remember being shot by sdm

i dont remember much about that game i guess

[baudib]

JKDS, did we overreact to the "villager" thing. Is it different than Dhuber saying he'd nom BID?

[JKDS]

Probably not. Its a weird choice of words, and he responded to it in a wolfy way. His play is so much in line with wolf-keith's play that it may even be a real slip.

For dhuber, idk how any wolf ever posts 'nom'. But hes a villager. His thinking is far too inline with my own, and i'm seeing flashbacks from last game where we both knew keyb was a wolf and couldnt get ppl on board/didnt push it.

[Keith]

really? , three people posted a gif when the hammer supposedly dropped, one of which is the person i am calling wolf,another by someone soft hinting i'm a wolf yesterday and today because i don't have a conspiracy theory this game and the last one by ....hmmmm who is the last one by to confirm the 3 of you acknowledging the hammer drop.3rd gif is by jkds as well. Was baud supposed to have put a gif in as well but jkds did it instead.Baud even said he had no gif to post.look how close together those gifs were posted . that looks like teamwork to me . 2 minutes after jkds put in the first gif , wuf miraculously manages to go and find another gif to post. that looks like one hell of a timing giveaway to me.

seriously , everyone go and try and find a similar gif to post and see how long it takes you after reading this post. i'm betting it takes a lot longer than two minutes to do.

As for me vanishing ...lol.... wuf knows i'm in the UK and simple deduction should have told him that my last post was at 2.36AM . I went to bed ,pure and simple ......just as i'm gonna vanish now cos i've got to get some work done.

quoting this post since wuf, baud and jkds are ignoring it .......i'm still waiting for an explanation. maybe its gonna need my death and you all seeing that i'm a villager so that you can focus on these three and their teamplay and the timing tell.
.

[baudib]

Wait, you're linking JKDS and Wuf together because they posted gifs and they toss me in because I DIDN'T post a gif?

good hunting, Keith

I have no GIF game but there are tons of sites that have GIFs for every occasion, I'm sure if you peruse those sites often it's not hard to find one in like 20 seconds.

[JKDS]

How can you even say that after last game . You know when i died 1st night and you took my theory and kept pushing it. Look at ongs thoughts , he was pushing the idea that wuf is a wolf. Now wuf is using crazy logic and contradicting his own argument against me and you don't find that in the least bit suspicious?.

I took your theory. Not your image. Your reasoning was legit and worth pursuing. I didnt just say "Gabe thought x" in an attempt to kill a keith wagon.

Who cares what wuf is doing when there is so much to suggest you three are caught.

really? , three people posted a gif when the hammer supposedly dropped, one of which is the person i am calling wolf,another by someone soft hinting i'm a wolf yesterday and today because i don't have a conspiracy theory this game and the last one by ....hmmmm who is the last one by to confirm the 3 of you acknowledging the hammer drop.3rd gif is by jkds as well. Was baud supposed to have put a gif in as well but jkds did it instead.Baud even said he had no gif to post.look how close together those gifs were posted . that looks like teamwork to me . 2 minutes after jkds put in the first gif , wuf miraculously manages to go and find another gif to post. that looks like one hell of a timing giveaway to me.

seriously , everyone go and try and find a similar gif to post and see how long it takes you after reading this post. i'm betting it takes a lot longer than two minutes to do.

As for me vanishing ...lol.... wuf knows i'm in the UK and simple deduction should have told him that my last post was at 2.36AM . I went to bed ,pure and simple ......just as i'm gonna vanish now cos i've got to get some work done.

In this post, keith tries to make his attackers look suspicious by claiming Google isnt a thing.

JKDS, all of your reasoning goes into the premise that these three wolves are either absolutely horrible or have taken a line that is maximum risk. In all the games I have played as a wolf the wolf team has never been this transparent and cohesive in their actions. Never.

I do think there is an 80% chance that one of those three is a wolf because it is so much easier for a wolf to echo a villager than to read the thread, however I would drop the chance down to 20% that two of them are wolves and less than 1% that all three are wolves.

I know, but reread the thread and tell me that this isnt the case! They dont defend anyone else. Not one of them questions when a vote is placed on say...luco. But the second someone says something bad about keith, bid, or daven, the other two are quick to defend. Thats in spite of them not having solid reads!

And as obvious as it is now in hindsight, for 13 pages it was concealed.

JKDS I would love to hear why you think Luco is a villager. I haven't read through much of the early game (it's just too damn hard to do that plus keep up, plus do life stuff during the holiday week), but his early stuff looked more wolf than villager to me.

As an example - posting that he would never vote for monstr on day 1 is an easy way for a wolf to take a soft line and buddy up to a villager. (This one is a tad thin though because it was his first day in his first game, but I don't think that should have made him completely exempt. If he is experienced enough he should have known that someone has to die day one and he could have been that person).

Second example was his post where he quoted JKDS and said that was his "least wolfy post". That JKDS post certainly didn't look ultra villagery to me because he mentioned reads on 7 players on like page 2. Yet this seemed to me to be Luco's attempt at, again, buddying up to someone and leveraging their thoughts.

Luco is tone reading very well right now, and his post regarding switching to you instead of having the village pursue a faked seer lynch is highly suggestive of being a villager. Nothing is impossible, but with so much against daven-keith-bid, im pretty happy with luco as a villager.

::::Channeling Gabe:::: JKDS' work and excitement can't be faked. I'll definitely spoon and consider it more than a bit homo. <3

@JKDS
Playing Devil's Advocate, of the three, Daven is the most likely to be a villager IMO. His find on BigRed's "Poor Guy. All Alone" post is in his favor, as well as rescinding the post because he didn't want to out the seer. Gabe explained why it was unlikely for a wolf to do that. Also Daven should be partially mechanically cleared based on the Gabe nom. I have no idea why Daven himself rejects this, but an ordered list of villager leans with Daven at the top, when Daven was arguably the most controversial player, could be interpreted as a crumb.

But Daven feels oddly disconnected from the thread. For him to come in after the whole Keith "Here's a villager" comment and pretend like it didn't happen is pretty bizarre. Like the most pressing issue was to talk about Feds & Smugglers?

He goes digging through Gabe posts and quotes two posts that has Keybored as his top wolf lean, and then a few posts later says this



Dude, what, you just posted what you needed to check. After the "weird seer comment" Gabe said he saw it and Keybored was still bold.

And how does he go from arguing with Wuf on Aubrey here



To a list where he has her as null read and puts her as the last lynch?

Keith>>>>BID>Daven>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every one else by a mile.

Im firmly convinced that keith is a wolf. Beyond any doubt. Why else is it so hard to get people on board when so much is piled up against him?

[Keith]

this gif was " this is udder nonsense" . clocks ticking lets see how long it takes for a similar gif to get posted .

[JKDS]

FWIW my basic reads list is as follows:

baudib, wuf, and JKDS are all villagers.

luco and bigred are wolves

gator is the cursed one because i think monstrman thought "wtf is this shit" and gtfo

Why am I a villager now, when you were rallying people against me not too long ago?

[JKDS]

It aint hard.

[JKDS]

I literally, just learned how to reverse image search. Now I can post an even better one.

[Keith]

still took you 50% longer to do it though

[baudib]

keith post lolcats imo

[JKDS]

still took you 50% longer to do it though

It took me a minute to post the first one, and 4 to learn how to do a reverse image search just so I could troll you with an even better one.

It is beyond easy to find a gif. All you have to do is enter into google a word, followed by gif. Its even easier and faster if youre word is pop culture related and bound to have lots of gifs. Everyone can do this. Everyone can do this quickly, and the idea that this is anything BUT a distraction from lynching you is sillier than these cow gifs.

[wufwugy]

are you kidding we have 48 more hours? day is already over

it took us 24 hours to find who is gonna be the ultimate lynch. the more talkie time i have the more time i have to say dumb shit

[aubreymcfate]

Hi Aubrey:
Since you were the subject of debate can you weigh in on how well Wuf reads you.

Keith is lead wagon right now so, yeah. Any other suspicions?

wuf's right about me like, 8 out of 10 times. he knows me very well.

[wufwugy]

here hoops i'll fix it for ya

lynch keith lynch keith lynch keith lynch keith lynch keith lynch keith lynch keith

there that's seven. not let's get that glorious night phase

[wufwugy]

wuf's right about me like, 8 out of 10 times. he knows me very well.

wtf what are these other 2 times?

[Keith]

thats because you were challenged to post one , wuf wasn't challenged he decided to do it unilaterally supposedly and also get a winking gif.Your case against Bid is ludicrous , hes been posted what i've said delayed by about 24 hours for the last couple of games , its no wonder that his game appears to have improved.I even pointed it out in one of those games.


what exactly is piled against me , i called gator a villager .....scroll up a few posts to 1461 where you said

For dhuber, idk how any wolf ever posts 'nom'. But hes a villager.

you did exactly the same , except you are saying his role , mine was used in the context of gator being another member of the village. Why doesn't that make you a wolf since you say that it makes me a wolf?

[Keith]

[baudib]

That's not even close to the same thing

[wufwugy]

[Luco]

rescind drew, lynch keith

[baudib]

I think we're good to go here but I'm a little disturbed by how quiet it is.

I realize it's a holiday and people are traveling and stuff but there's inclement weather all over and I'd think a lot of people would be staying in.

There's a theory of Dead Air = Dead Villager (DADV) and I've seen that a couple times but usually only when TWO villagers are being wagoned.

IMO threadflow alone indicates Keith should be a wolf here -- Keith was busy getting a villager lynched for 2 days and no one was talking about him.

I'm a little bothered by Keith being so helpful in handing over the link to his lynched wolf game so quickly. This game doesn't fit into Keith's wolf meta. I didn't get deep into that White Walker game that Lolzz modded but there's a classic Keith move where he starts the game out talking about game mechanics in a tricky way that makes him sound villagery. He did that in the game where Rilla called him out for it on Day 1 (the argument about long days) and in Gold Rush (this was one of the things that fooled me into thinking he was a villager that game).

TBF he had plenty to say about the Ghost Angel stuff last game. He hasn't done any of that this game.

[wufwugy]

I think some of that stuff is unreliable. Keith went very long stretches without getting wolf. If he's wolf now then this would be at least two (is it three?) times in a relatively short time period

i think he's causing too many vil problems as is. i also think some of the stuff that he's done now that he hasnt as a wolf are things he would still totally do as a wolf. he's cognizant of changing it up. a long time ago he used to talk about one of his old old wolf games where he and another wolf balls to the walled each other

[BankItDrew]

Why am I a villager now, when you were rallying people against me not too long ago?

This is like one of those moments when you compliment a girl and she responds with "why am I beautiful?"

My answer to you is the same as the guy/girl scenario: I want you to like me

[wufwugy]

regardless, i have ample experience with keith in that i know i cant win while he's alive. in the feds game, i was ultra confident he was the final wolf. until we lynched him and i was blown away and furious. when villagers, he and i do not work well at all

[baudib]

Wuf you're starting to sound almost reasonable and logical the past couple of pages, wtf is up with that. Don't like it one bit.

If Keith is a wolf and Wuf is a villager, maybe we can ask Hoops if we can trade: Kill off Wuf, take Keith and give the wolves some sort of future compensation?

[wufwugy]

my secret is pike kilt lifter ruby ale

[Keith]

i'm hunting the wolves ...... a wolf has aroo'ed on this page .

idk if BID would be that open about not giving a shit about the game as a wolf

also i care way more than this is a villager too but i underestimated what my attention span would be like here, so i suck for that and im sorry

as i read through the thread my suspicions are mostly revolving around keith atm

err, overestimated

ok wuf , this person (i could have said villager but you'll soon see why i didn't) you have as a lock villager put that .

read it carefully.She cares way more than this as a villager too. ....... she's just aroo'ed , she just said that she isn't a villager this game and even refers to how much attention she is paying. She just fucked up .What she says doesn't make sense with the use of "is" which shows how little attention she was paying.The only other word she could have meant is "as"
rescind WUF lynch Aubrey

wuf and JKDS to wrap up the game . There you are JKDS ....the conspiracy is revealed because you guys got too cocky.

[BankItDrew]

in keith we trust







but only if he flips villy

[wufwugy]

ive been saying she cares more than this as a wolf and she said she cares more than this as a villager too

which is true, and i understood exactly what she meant. she's a busy person right now, to say the least. she said what she said to say that she cares about being villager as well

besides if you read her entire sentence it suggests her POV is villager, since she said she cares about this as a villager but she is too busy

i am unconcerned

[wufwugy]

in keith we trust







but only if he flips villy

shut up. you're next

i dont for a second believe this bullshit that you're too busy when you've been here all day. you're just doubling down on your stupid wolfstyle

[baudib]

I read it as role-neutral at worst.

Wuf, I'm ok with incorporating your read on her but I think it was Luco who said that being busy in real life is role neutral. (FWIW, Gabe thought she was a villager, Big Red wanted to lynch her)

Like, if she was going on vacation anyway, randing wolf doesn't mean she'll cancel her vacation and be more active.

Still, I thought she was villagery in her early posting.

[wufwugy]

I read it as role-neutral at worst.

Wuf, I'm ok with incorporating your read on her but I think it was Luco who said that being busy in real life is role neutral. (FWIW, Gabe thought she was a villager, Big Red wanted to lynch her)

Like, if she was going on vacation anyway, randing wolf doesn't mean she'll cancel her vacation and be more active.

Still, I thought she was villagery in her early posting.

i completely agree but if she was a wolf she would very likely find more time for it

she has been a special and vanished when life was a callin, but she obsessed over wolfing

[BankItDrew]

shut up. you're next

i dont for a second believe this bullshit that you're too busy when you've been here all day. you're just doubling down on your stupid wolfstyle

i literally lol'd irl

[wufwugy]

keith is just pissed since he knows that after i die, a lockvillager whom they will never want to nom will go unlynched for the whole game

[wufwugy]

i literally lol'd irl

you lol a lot when you're wolf

[Keith]

keith is just pissed since he knows that after i die, a lockvillager whom they will never want to nom will go unlynched for the whole game

have you just been paniced into a mistake as well wuf? after you die?

[baudib]

keith is just pissed since he knows that after i die, a lockvillager whom they will never want to nom will go unlynched for the whole game

what does this mean?

[baudib]

nvm. just a typo i guess.

[wufwugy]

after i die i flip village and everybody thinks they can trust my opinion on aubrey

becuase aubrey and i are friends and everybody knows that, i know that my opinion on her carries lots of sway. it's similar to how when baud said scourrge was ultra confirmed villager, we kinda didnt bother looking at him much

[Keith]

ive been saying she cares more than this as a wolf and she said she cares more than this as a villager too

which is true, and i understood exactly what she meant. she's a busy person right now, to say the least. she said what she said to say that she cares about being villager as well

besides if you read her entire sentence it suggests her POV is villager, since she said she cares about this as a villager but she is too busy

i am unconcerned

lol you have to say that you are unconcerned otherwise you admit she just condemmed you as well.wait til everyone else reads it and throws in their opinion. I betting you won't be so happy with that post then.