Ultimate Werewolf

[Keybored]

my point is that you are pointing out the number of posts people make which is totally irrelevant. (totally?)

it is easily manipulted as you clearly showed by putting in a number of one line posts when you could easily have made one post for them.
(so does that mean Dhuber's 4 posts are as meaningful as Baud's 66?)

It also shows no consideration for the content of posts. (wasn't/isn't meant to, thanks for the obv)

That makes the whole point of those posts meaningless just as all the rehashing of what has happened is irrelevent. (I consider myself relevant, thx anyway)

it is designed to show activity but proves nothing about the authors role at all. (except that he's engaged and taking note of behaviors, etc)

Only when people put a commentary on and try to make a case supported by evidence does that sort of research have any validity and helps to show the intent of the author. (well, what about my commentary above the research? does that not show intent?)

Read through the whole thread , and look how many one line posts are made that add no evidence either way. If irrelevent one liners were deleted we'd probably have half the number of posts so far. (So, if I'd put my research and my analysis in one post, then you woulda been happy? I somehow doubt it.)

.....

[Keybored]

Keith, can you give cliffs on why Keybored is a wolf?

Here, Keith...talk to Baudib for a while.

[Keith]

Keith, can you give cliffs on why Keybored is a wolf?

easiest to read #560

essentially saying that i voted MMM to make it easy for my supposed fellow wolves to jump on and kill a weak player. This fails the logic test that wolves would want to keep a weak player in the game. It ignored the fact that wolves would want to keep MMM alive in case he was a convertable wolf.As soon as MMM said that his "lone wolf" post was a trap to see which wolves bit , keybored couldn't get off his wagon quick enough and was then solidly proclaiming that MMM was a villager. Wolves would know that MMM wasn't a wolf, which lends credence to his claim of laying a trap. Villagers had no idea whether MMM was a villager pulling a stunt as a trap , a wolf who had cocked up or the actual cursed villager. As such Keybored appears to be acting with too much info which villagers didn't know.
Keybored also said that he would give village lean to anyone posting in first 10 minutes once he was being challenged , but in #36 he was also suspicious of MMM snap vote when the thread opened which is the opposite of what he claimed later in the game.REmember how he answered my other post and effectively said nothing and was going to reply to 560 and 625 later. Instead of replying to the actual evidence showing where he said one thing and did the opposite , he thinks its more productive for the village to count up how many posts people have made today.How long before you reply to # 560 keybored?

[Keith]

Here, Keith...talk to Baudib for a while.

sure ....just done it .....how about answering #560 instead of hoping people will forget about you.

[Keybored]

sure ....just done it .....how about answering #560 instead of hoping people will forget about you.

Cuz the wagon stalled Keith. Nobody's buying your story and ppl aren't interested in your rage rants. I get it, your wolf hunt is over today. But have you even tried to find the seer yet? Do something useful or stop wasting posts, as u put it...

[wufwugy]

RE: Daven's seer comment. Y'all have seen him play villager right? He pretends to be a special so he can get nommed in an attempt to keep the wolves away from the special (which I think is a flawed strategy, but whatever)

Daven has a very unique way of looking at things, which is a big reason why I think it's easier to see where I disagree with him (and vice versa), but I do not think he says "I think I found the seer" as a villager. Funny how Gabe woke the fuck up just to defend Daven and Baudib. Does Gabe remember that he thought Daven was a great lynch not too long ago? Color me confused on all this new phantom information that supposedly makes him look like a villager

Or it could be that I assume too much. Like I assume that Gabe knows that Daven would be a smart enough wolf to say the type of thing he did about the seer, so Gabe would never use it as a means to clear him. Or maybe Gabe is on the up n up because I have to furrow my brow at his claim that me "thinking from the wolf" perspective is wolfy. That's, like, um, the least wolfy thing there is. Wolves are always trying to eschew their wolfy thoughts and I have very consistently over the last several years tried to figure out wolves by putting myself in their shoes. Or maybe Gabe knows better and that's just more evidence that he's a wolf. I do know that in the past I have made assumptions about Gabe that were wrong, but I have also nailed the balls of his wolfhood, so I dunno


This game is cray though. There be like 3 diff battles at once. Not everybody can be right

[gabe]

Dhuber, bigred and gabe all think drew is village. Dhuber is the only one who explains why

lynch drew

i cant remember exactly where it is but BID said something smart/made some type of read that i figure he couldnt come up with as a wolf. i dont remember playing wolf but acting smart!

[gabe]

wuf says "Like I assume that Gabe knows that Daven would be a smart enough wolf to say the type of thing he did about the seer, so Gabe would never use it as a means to clear him"

i spelled this part out but you must not have read it. (it actually makes alot of sense that wuf doesnt read the posts...hmmmm)


wuf made it clear he would go after daven today but daven's wagon didnt really take off. i defended daven because he did some very heavy villager stuff in my eyes. the threat of daven dying at this point was very low so i wouldnt need to defend if we were wolf/wolf

furthermore jkds keith and I all bolded keybored and keybored's stock seemed to take off. daven was under no pressure. if he was a wolf he would just coast into the background. wuf's point that daven would be smart enough to say such a thing is probably true, but in this situation that would NOT be smart at all.



as far as my allegations about you, by "thinking from the wolf perspective" i mean more than just you are using deduction. i mean it influences your words quite often, more so than i expect from people. im 100% on this read too

[gabe]

i still like the keybored lynch btw. hes not saying much. i cant think of a reason hes villagery

[rong]

Lol at the brackets.

[wufwugy]

wuf says "Like I assume that Gabe knows that Daven would be a smart enough wolf to say the type of thing he did about the seer, so Gabe would never use it as a means to clear him"

i spelled this part out but you must not have read it. (it actually makes alot of sense that wuf doesnt read the posts...hmmmm)


wuf made it clear he would go after daven today but daven's wagon didnt really take off. i defended daven because he did some very heavy villager stuff in my eyes. the threat of daven dying at this point was very low so i wouldnt need to defend if we were wolf/wolf

furthermore jkds keith and I all bolded keybored and keybored's stock seemed to take off. daven was under no pressure. if he was a wolf he would just coast into the background. wuf's point that daven would be smart enough to say such a thing is probably true, but in this situation that would NOT be smart at all.



as far as my allegations about you, by "thinking from the wolf perspective" i mean more than just you are using deduction. i mean it influences your words quite often, more so than i expect from people. im 100% on this read too

Probably the post I like the most from you

I'm also not against a Keybored lynch. He's my number 4 pick and I know I'm often wrong about my first 3 being all 3, so I'm fine with it. I also admittedly do not read him well at all, and I think nobody else does even if they think they do

[wufwugy]

BTW I've probably read all those posts twice that I earlier skimmed. That's what happens when the village is given one of the most pro-village policies there is: locked nights

[Keith]

Cuz the wagon stalled Keith. Nobody's buying your story and ppl aren't interested in your rage rants. I get it, your wolf hunt is over today. But have you even tried to find the seer yet? Do something useful or stop wasting posts, as u put it...

i don't understand the smugness of you refusing to answer the points i made in #560

#731 wuf daven
#735 bigred aubrey
#743 daven wuf
#757 keith keybored
#771 bid keybored R
#776 bid jkds
#797 gabe monstr
#807 JKDS keybored 2
#810 gabe keybored 3
#844 daven keybored
#871 wuf baud
#877 keybored wuf
#904 daven wuf
#919 rong baud
#934 baud bid
#949 bid luco


keybored - 3 (keith, JKDS, gabe,)
JKDS - 1 (BID)
daven - 1 (wuf)
aubrey - 1 (bigred)
wuf -2 keybored,daven
BAud -2 wuf, rong
BID -2 bid luco

looks like you are still out in the lead and still refusing to answer the points that incriminate you . Also why do i have to find the seer ? i concentrating on the wolf in my sights.Is that a freudian slip?.

[wufwugy]

BTW if I'm laying money on it, I wouldn't even take Daven/Baudib/Gabe as the team at 15:1 odds. I've been in this situation a bunch, and I have learned a lot of what appears to be wolfy connections are not. For example, it is possible that I'm right about Baud, and that his behavior regarding Daven, which looks like they could be wolf buddies, is actually something he would ALSO do if Daven isn't a wolf. It doesn't have to be that wolfbaud is protecting Daven but that wolfbaud is just playing a standard managing keep-all-options-open style

As for Daven specifically, does he arrrooo as a villager? Yep. Dude adores doing the wackiest garbage as a villager. It's frustrating as balls

Anyways, the wolf team always makes less sense than it looks like it should

[wufwugy]

lynch daven obv

This is post #11. Would somebody please explain it to me. At first it looks benign, but after I thought both Baud and Daven are wolves, it looked anything but

Why did Baud open bold Daven? I see no reason other than random that he would be compelled to vote Daven. Why did he say "obv"? That suggests it isn't random.

And then we end up with everything else that I was saying about Baud's weird Daven behavior. I have little choice but to look at this and go "oh wow so Baud really did open bold his wolfbuddy". He was on Daven all day and said lots of stuff about how wolfy he thinks he is, but he never pushed it like he actually believed it. Then the next day, when he KNEW I was coming for Daven, he acted like it was no thang

I dunno, this to me looks exactly like what happens when a wolf open bolds a wolf

[Keith]

Bid votes are by baud and luco , not BID and luco .....oops have him self lynching lol

[wufwugy]

furthermore jkds keith and I all bolded keybored and keybored's stock seemed to take off. daven was under no pressure. if he was a wolf he would just coast into the background. wuf's point that daven would be smart enough to say such a thing is probably true, but in this situation that would NOT be smart at all.

BTW Daven doesn't think like this. I don't know what he thinks like, but he's not the type to slink into the background and only say tricky things when he's in trouble. He would say that thing about the seer as a wolf at any time

[dhubermex]

The only poster who sticks out to me is gabe.

monstrman Post #864

Agree with monstrman and believe gabe's arguments have been illogical

Agree with wuf's Post #871 regarding gabe.

gabe Post #920... points out no pressure has been on him (that's correct).

gabe #936... wants to focus on wuf/Keybored (I don't -- seems classic case of V-on-V violence, same with rong/baudib). Also believes MMM wagon didn't necessarily have Wolves on it, I disagree with this too.

I agree with rong that baudib appears to be buttering up to gabe, but believe it is a tactic by baudib

gabe in #943 again refers to not needing to post

agree with baudib Post #948. I'm not supporting a Keybored lynch either.

Agree with Luco Post #959.... rong/baudib need to get off each other.

Keybored's Post #964 is good rundown of BID's non-contributions so far Day #2... will keep that in mind.

Keybored trying to draw out Aubrey/monstrman in Posts #967-968. I agree.

I'm no longer "in love" with Keith's posts, but there wasn't anything wolfy about his #973. I simply don't agree with him being all over Keybored.

gabe Post #982... extremely vague about BID, no info provided.

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I'm not joining any wagon today that involves Keybored, wuf, baudib or rong

Lynch gabe

[Keybored]

i don't understand the smugness of you refusing to answer the points i made in #560
keybored - 3 (keith, JKDS, gabe,)
JKDS - 1 (BID)
daven - 1 (wuf)
aubrey - 1 (bigred)
wuf -2 keybored,daven
BAud -2 wuf, rong
BID -2 bid luco
looks like you are still out in the lead and still refusing to answer the points that incriminate you . Also why do i have to find the seer ? i concentrating on the wolf in my sights.Is that a freudian slip?.

Refusing to be baited and wasting my time isn't smug.
In your state of mind, you're just going to micro analyze every word I type.
If I say the sky is blue, you'll find a way to twist that into your mantra.
Then we'll be chasing our tails even longer than we have.

You've bolded me, you've stated your case against me, you've rallied a wagon.
These are all solid WW tactics/procedures that we all expect.

But relentless stalking and negative attitude makes me shut down.
I keep all my posts very neutral in tone (unless joking around).
I only reply to negative emotion (yours) in kind when I feel it's gone too far.

Here's what it'll take to lynch vanillager keybored today:
1 angry misguided fellow villager (Keith)
2-3 wolves with good enuff game willing to expose themselves
4-5 wagon jumping villagers (some lazy, some also misguided)

When that many other ppl start supporting your BS, then I'll take heed and react to their cases.
Until then, I'm going to continue watching the behavior of my wolf pix.
And I'm going to try to uncover the Seer so I can help protect him/her and possibly pickup a crumb.

How about you putting your reads out for us to see, Keith?

[Keith]

looks like i got wuf voting twice ,his vote is on baud and not daven

[daven]

BTW if I'm laying money on it, I wouldn't even take Daven/Baudib/Gabe as the team at 15:1 odds.

aww, sweetheart, smartest thing you've posted all game!

As for Daven specifically, does he arrrooo as a villager? Yep. Dude adores doing the wackiest garbage as a villager. It's frustrating as balls

of course i don't fake out as a wolf when i'm a villager.
there was one game where i was vanilla and posted something that i hoped would lead to me being nommed by the seer-hunting wolves, thus protecting the seer for another night. And i got nommed by the wolves that night, for whatever reasons.
whether my play is wacky or not, who knows

I'm still happy with wuf being where my lynch vote lies, pretty psyched that keybored is under pressure too. Those two should both hang

[daven]

Why did Baud open bold Daven? I see no reason other than random that he would be compelled to vote Daven. Why did he say "obv"? That suggests it isn't random.

pretty sure that after the last game baud said he would be open bolding either keith or i every game from now on in.
i was planning to use it as a soft tell if he ever flipped wolf, i.e. if he's a wolf this game then i think his open bold on me gives a little bit of weight to the 'keith is wolf with baud' theory. not much weight, but enough to consider.

[daven]

BTW Daven doesn't think like this. I don't know what he thinks like, but he's not the type to slink into the background and only say tricky things when he's in trouble. He would say that thing about the seer as a wolf at any time

re the bold, i love how much this bothers you.

[daven]

gabe #936... wants to focus on wuf/Keybored (I don't -- seems classic case of V-on-V violence, same with rong/baudib).

how have you managed to think it's a wuf-keybored war when anyone reading the thread will know that wuf is all about me, and it's keith who is most heavily pushing with keybored?

[wufwugy]

pretty sure that after the last game baud said he would be open bolding either keith or i every game from now on in.

what was his reasoning

[daven]

what was his reasoning

busted balls cos of his day 1 lynch as wolf?

[dhubermex]

Yeah it's been Keith/Keybored in a lot of the posts. I was just pointing out that gabe wants to focus on these two, and that I think they have both been involved in V-on-V violence along with rong, baudib, and Keith.

[dhubermex]

Post #1002 was in reply to daven's Post #999.

[Keybored]

i cant remember exactly where it is but BID said something smart/made some type of read that i figure he couldnt come up with as a wolf. i dont remember playing wolf but acting smart!

Gabe...I'd really like to know which of BID's 14 posts this game has you clearing him? I don't see it.

[Keybored]

I'm not joining any wagon today that involves Keybored, wuf, baudib or rong. Lynch gabe

Dhubs...Yesterday you were all about a wagon on MMM and said you'd do it again despite his mislynch. Why are you reluctant to hop on a wagon today?

[dhubermex]

To Keybored:

It depends on which wagon it is. I'm not wagoning anyone I think is a Villager. I could go for a BID lynch. There was one post early-on from him that I thought was Villagery but nothing since.

[gabe]

Gabe...I'd really like to know which of BID's 14 posts this game has you clearing him? I don't see it.

this was the post i was thinking of. but its not as good now. bid grows more suspicious as times go by

rescind

lynch JKDS

JKDS is too smart to know that this info doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Keybored is a wolf too.

[gabe]

dhuber, imagine im a wolf. no one is attacking me. and then for no reason i attack a player with seemingly lots of experience playing on other forums. that would make no sense at all. its not like monstrman was pushing an agenda i was trying to stop. i would have no motivation to go after someone especially when the village obviously wasnt agreeing with me. i think you are on level 0 here

[Keybored]

^^^ Thanks guys.

My earlier reads had Rong & Keith leaning village but as of now I've gotta move Rong to neutral for his Baudib logic and downgrade Keith to wolf-lean due to his refusal to do anything but tunnel. Also, I'm moving Wuf off deadlock and up to just a wolf-lean; his reasoning has improved a lot recently. JKDS has moved from a wolf-lean to neutral now. Gabe stays on a wolf-lean despite Dhubs opine. So, here's what I'm seeing.

KEYB = Villager (BID - bolding for now)
DHUBER = Villager (Gabe)
BAUDIB = Villager (BID)
LUCO = Villager (BID)
BIGRED = Villager (Aubrey)
DAVEN = Villager (Wuf)

RONG = Neutral (Baudib)
JKDS = Neutral (Keyb)
AUBRY = Neutral (No Vote Yet)

BID = Wolf (JKDS)
GABE = Wolf Leaning (Keyb)
MONSTR = Wolf Leaning (No Vote Yet)
WUF = Wolf Leaning (Baudib)
KEITH = Wolf Leaning (Keyb)

Note: I added the current bolds in parenthesis as a last minute thing to keep Keith from going postal with two separate posts. I find it interesting that my V and W camps are voting opposed. I wouldn't have noticed that otherwise; thx keith.

Oh yeah...RESCIND, LYNCH BID

[daven]

Halfway thru D2. I'm sensing a lull in the action but it's a wknd, so meh.
POST COUNT today in case anyone cares:

BAUD = 66
WUF = 41
DAVEN = 24
RONG = 23
KEYB = 21
GABE = 17
LUCO = 13
JKDS = 9
RED = 7
KEITH = 6
MONSTR = 5
DHUBS = 4
BID = 3
AUBREY = 0

although i understand keith's point about this being not 100% reflective of the reality of involvement, i think there are only a few exceptions.
keith's involvement is obviously far greater than post count suggests, keybored's is a little lower. bigred's is obviously lower (funny, i read 'red' and my first response is 'wtf, redzill4 in da house?').
What is correct is that aubrey/bid/dhubs/monstr/bigred/jkds are all close to zero content on day 2, although dhubs is at least present and posting now.

jkds - where are ya?
bid - you're gonna get lynched buddy. Fake out as the Miller if you get too much heat imo.
aubrey - at some point she can't be allowed to drift along any further.

still happy with one of wuf/keybored today though. If we're going to wagon an inactive then we should do it early in the day, not late cos special risk etc.

[Keybored]

To Keybored: It depends on which wagon it is. I'm not wagoning anyone I think is a Villager. I could go for a BID lynch. There was one post early-on from him that I thought was Villagery but nothing since.

Thx...not trying to move your vote, just wondering why you decided to sit on a deserted island like that. Gabe's been off imo and that puts him in my wolf house, but he doesn't look like a decent bold yet. Plus, no way he gets lynched this early playing as he is.

[daven]

JKDS has moved from a wolf-lean to neutral now.

based on what exactly?!? he hasn't posted since your last reads post (#836)

yeah, we gotta lynch wuf or keybored today

[rong]

Given all the arguments going on and the way yesterday went down, I can't help feeling like a BID lynch is just a bit of a cop out. It resolves nothing, satiates no curiosity and leaves all grievances unsolved.

But then again, sometimes wolves are quite hapy to leave the busy and angry villagers to it.

Iunno, at the very least it's no fun.

[rong]

based on what exactly?!? he hasn't posted since your last reads post (#836)

yeah, we gotta lynch wuf or keybored today

Ha nice.

[rong]

rescind baudib,

lynch keyboard

[JKDS]

BID doesnt seem like the villlager bid from last game. Hes not exactly my highest concern atm though. Gabe seems villagery enough, but i cant figure out the monstr read one way or another.

People that are high on my radar right now.
-Keybored: I cased it before, but im doubting myself. He doesnt like BID for villager...which gives him points...but I'm not convinced thats not just part of a wolfy 'induce paranoia' gameplan. Hes also a high profile seer target, as wuf said, so waiting may not even be a bad idea.

-keith: Its 11 pages in, and Keith has spoken only about keybored. This does not sit right at all. People keep saying "who can read keith", but those are people who look at post count and post length instead of actual style differences between villager and wolf. Keith attacked baudib last game, and within a page he lasso'd another 3 people into it. He got 3/4 right. This is what villager keith does, even when he ends up 0/4. Its bothers me that his conspiracy theory seems tame this game, and that no one else has been roped into it.

-Wuf: Hes posting frequently, yes. But again, 11 pages in, and I havent seen one of those creative, happy 'gotcha' posts. Theyre usually wrong, super wrong, but i havent seen one. They stem from wuf thinking about the game, finding a cool thought, then posting it on the off chance hes right and can showoff his epicness. That hasnnt happened this game though. Maybe its a style change, but that would be drastic and would go against his entire ww philosophy of 'be epic, soulreads are cool'.

[Keith]

based on what exactly?!? he hasn't posted since your last reads post (#836)

yeah, we gotta lynch wuf or keybored today

you see this is typical of what i've been saying about him ......he says stuff but when you look into the detail theres nothing there to back it up or he did the opposite and when you press him on it he refuses to answer because he knows he can't justify it .

[Keybored]

based on what exactly?!? he hasn't posted since your last reads post (#836) yeah, we gotta lynch wuf or keybored today

I moved JKDS up based on re-reads. It can happen, ya know. I'm not inflexible and it wasn't exactly a 180 ffs.

[JKDS]

based on what exactly?!? he hasn't posted since your last reads post (#836)

yeah, we gotta lynch wuf or keybored today

Good catch

[JKDS]

Rong seems super villagery. I still like daven as a vill too

[gabe]

LOL. keybored is posting nonsense without reading thread. can we lynch him. that jkds line seems pretty bad

[Keybored]

you see this is typical of what i've been saying about him ......he says stuff but when you look into the detail theres nothing there to back it up or he did the opposite and when you press him on it he refuses to answer because he knows he can't justify it .

I'm getting you a coal miner's hat for xmas keith.
U doing anything else in this game, srsly
Where's your reads?

[daven]

how does any of the following change on re-read? from your reads post 836

JKDS is Leaning Wolf--His absence d1 doesn't give me anything to work with and missing a vote totally sux. But he's on board today so we'll see. However, his case against me above is weaksauce (not just cuz it's against me, but cuz it's weak). He's much better than that. And his back/forth with Gabe so far today is odd to me.

[wufwugy]

im fine with keybored vs wuf.

rescind baud lynch keybored

the only lynch i am wholly not cool with is aubrey. she's a villager. she's probably only going to look at this thread like 5 more times for the whole game, if that. if she was a wolf, she would actually try to participate, but right now, villaging is literally the last thing on her mind

[wufwugy]

two more things: i guarantee im wrong about daven/baud/gabe. i just, i fucking have to be. ive played enough games where i have epic reads and theyre always wrong

and like ive said in the past, early and mid game is all about setting up the late game. unlike in early game, my late game reads are super strong. ive said many times i dont think lynching wolves is that great in early game, and instead early game is about making the right lynches to set up a strong village that can cut through the chaff at the end.

of the low content players, i think jkds and luco are the most suspect, but eh i guess we have to wait to address those. these game days are seriously too long for me

[daven]

fuck it, i don't think keybored would play so badly as seer.
his wagon is at the stage that in the very unlikely event that he's seer he'll have to out anyway

so, here's the reason i thought he had arrooed,
he posted the lower quote (#793) in response to this post of mine:

Originally Posted by daven

@ keybored, i don't think we gain a whole lot of info from mmm's wagon given that it was villager vs villager and he'd made a play that meant he had to go before mid-game

I agree for now. But as the field narrows, it may help. Also, one thing I learned from going deep last game was that it sucks going back to research shit after thousands of posts. It's a tool for the bag-o-trix.

my gut response was that his agreement meant that he somehow knew i was villager = obviously making him a wolf. Gotcha! then i feared that he knew i was a villager cos he'd looked me up on night 1, hence my deletion before posting and seer comment instead etc. But, meh. I'm a pretty bad night 1 lookup given how day 1 played out, and i think keybored is too good to have looked me up on night 1 if he was seer.

So, yeah, keybored somehow knows i'm a villager. And keybored wouldn't look me up on night 1 as seer.
conclusion....

[wufwugy]

actually you know what, i dont like this. ijust cannot read keybored whatsoever

rescind keybored

[daven]

two more things: i guarantee im wrong about daven/baud/gabe. i just, i fucking have to be. ive played enough games where i have epic reads and theyre always wrong

a wuf-guarantee that is correct! pin it to the wall with that day 1 comment from drew folks

[Keybored]

Look at the Wolves piling on! They smell blood and chomp-chomp. I used this same technique a lot last game as wolf. I'm headed afk for some football n beers. If I die while away, well, I hope more good comes of it than that MMM lynch. BTW, the Seer has spoken in case anyone's listening. Just sayin...

[wufwugy]

fuck it, i don't think keybored would play so badly as seer.
his wagon is at the stage that in the very unlikely event that he's seer he'll have to out anyway

so, here's the reason i thought he had arrooed,
he posted the lower quote (#793) in response to this post of mine:

Originally Posted by daven

@ keybored, i don't think we gain a whole lot of info from mmm's wagon given that it was villager vs villager and he'd made a play that meant he had to go before mid-game


my gut response was that his agreement meant that he somehow knew i was villager = obviously making him a wolf. Gotcha! then i feared that he knew i was a villager cos he'd looked me up on night 1, hence my deletion before posting and seer comment instead etc. But, meh. I'm a pretty bad night 1 lookup given how day 1 played out, and i think keybored is too good to have looked me up on night 1 if he was seer.

So, yeah, keybored somehow knows i'm a villager. And keybored wouldn't look me up on night 1 as seer.
conclusion....

i think this is the most vil thing you've done, but i dont necessarily think it means key is a wolf. man i have seen him, you, and many others say things that seem so secretly malignant yet just turn out to have been benign. for example, key couldd easily have just agreed with you because he *thinks* you're a villager. or he could have been agreeing with just the line "i dont think we gain a whole lot fo info from mmm's wagon".

the bane of my ww existence is people saying weird things


as for other things about keybored, he isn't doing some things he did in the last game as a wolf. mb he improved, mb not. remember when he was buck nekid, he looked soooo wolfy but wasnt. it was in his wolf game that you guys thought he looked the most villy. i agree with keith's view of him, but i dont think that necessarily means key's a wolf

[wufwugy]

actually the bane of my ww existence is people not saying exactly what they mean and not giving the logic behind their views. granted i do the same thing and am probably not as aware of how

[baudib]

Daven, I'd like you to comment on Wuf's idea that I started out bussing you but was really trying to protect you.

The thing that stands out to me on this page is JKDS #1016, that's a really insightful post from someone who has been quiet so far.

As far as Keybored, I'll say that I do think there are differences to his game from last game. I don't think he contributed many independent thoughts on who to wagon, he more or less put his finger in the air to see which way the wind was blowing. I did think he could be W-W again with Ong, because their interactions still seemed awkward like last game.

Re: Him rescinding MMM. Keith has had some epic D1 reads for sure, but this is the reason I thought Keybored was different this game. He had a clearly evolving read, which is something villagers do. If the wolves thought MMM could be Cursed, it's fair to believe they'd want to keep him alive but it's also a way to get village cred (maybe not, no one was really getting credit for voting MMM). The thing is, even if MMM were Cursed and converted, he was never going to live long so it doesn't seem like something to stick your neck out over.

[wufwugy]

fuck it lynch bigred

[wufwugy]

and now every finger i've pointed at anybody else so far shows my sheer hypocrisy, because these last several posts of mine have been highly confusing

[wufwugy]

if i was you guys, id be blowing a fucking gasket over me right now

i just, fuck this is so dumb that i cant find all the wolves immediately and be done with it. my fantasy is that a true boss can just see the bullshit with a little thought then walks away like it was no thang

[gabe]

dont worry wuf you have been and continue to be suspicious

[daven]

Daven, I'd like you to comment on Wuf's idea that I started out bussing you but was really trying to protect you.

seems fairly ridiculous to me, but it's hard for me to get perspective on it given that i know i'm villager. I might read the day 1 wagons differently if i didn't know the role of both wagon targets.

[daven]

if i was you guys, id be blowing a fucking gasket over me right now

i just, fuck this is so dumb that i cant find all the wolves immediately and be done with it. my fantasy is that a true boss can just see the bullshit with a little thought then walks away like it was no thang

don't worry wuf, i still think you're a wolf.

[daven]

gabe and i with the mimic posts on wuf lol

[baudib]

I said I wouldn't talk to Wuf for 24 hours but just LOL

I can't come to any other conclusion other than Wuf doesn't even believe the shit he's slinging. After I got mislynched as a villager, Wuf actually gave me some solid advice, that you can't soul read the whole wolf team on D1. That game, he wasn't even trying to find wolves D1, he was making excuses for why we should be lynching the inactives.

Wuf says he wants to just play like Jack Vance, and sit back and come in and point to who will die and make it happen. He might actually believe this part because of ego, but the idea that he could play like this and have anyone listen to him is just hilarious.

[wufwugy]

Wuf says he wants to just play like Jack Vance, and sit back and come in and point to who will die and make it happen. He might actually believe this part because of ego, but the idea that he could play like this and have anyone listen to him is just hilarious.

i say i want to, doesnt mean i can actually do it. apparently i cant do it. no surprise there tbh

[wufwugy]

btw, that which looks suspicious about me is that which makes me villager. look back at my turncoat game. i convinced fucking everybody i was a lock villager. i wasnt in full wolf mode then because i wasnt exactly a wolf, but i did use a handful of strategies ive developed for optimal wolfing

every time i look like a wolf, you can be guaranteed im not a wolf. but if i ever look like a villager, that's when ill be a wolf. but by then it will be too late since i will have already masterminded village doom

[gabe]

more utter nonsense^

wuf is forever honorary wolf



"every time i look like a wolf, you can be guaranteed im not a wolf. but if i ever look like a villager, that's when ill be a wolf."

what a player!

[wufwugy]

but by then it will be too late since i will have already masterminded village doom

.

[baudib]

I can't even.

I'm pretty sure if you follow Wuf's own logic on why he wanted to lynch me, you'd have to lynch Wuf.

[JKDS]

BTW, the Seer has spoken in case anyone's listening. Just sayin...

Wtf is going on? How did ya'll just ignore this and continue as if nothing happened? This looks like a seer claim, yet ya'll dont addresss if its bullshit or legit, and you dont respond to it in any way. The fuck

[wufwugy]

lol i totally missed that. as did daven, baud, and gabe. go fuckin figure

[JKDS]

I skimmed the start of Day 2, I dont see any obvious "I looked up x, hes y" posts from keybored.

I also dont recall Key ever pointing towards or away from anyone in his 'analysis/research' posts either. Someone with actual knowledge of 1 persons role would use their analysis/research to point towards that result (or they'd think their analysis/research was bs).

Looks like bs to me.

[gabe]

i saw it and keybored is still bold. i dont think hes a sharp enough villager to have spotted the seer. i believe he might tihnk he has, or that hes a wolf who feels trapped

[wufwugy]

doesnt look like he's claiming he spotted the seer but that he is the seer