Ultimate Werewolf

[gabe]

Then you pointed out how sometimes you can find dissonance in players' thinking...the last time I recall you using "dissonance" in an argument was you putting together a couple of Gator quotes and saying, "Dissonance is a wolfy trait."

im so glad you brought this up because ive been saving this argument for when it was time to unload on monstrman:

This is a very bad reasoning for a vote. For one, I don't imagine you've ever played with me so you actually cannot say with any degree of certainty wether or not I'll be impossible to read (and for your information I am actually very easy to read, its not hard just do this: monstrman is a villager!) Look! You read me already. (####) Don't worry I've played a great deal of games in my time so I am by no means inexperienced, I was merely commenting that I don't have any experience playing with any of you guys specifically and many of my reads are derived from tells that I have accumulated from various little posts and consistencies that I find while playing with people throughout the course of many games.

does everyone see the dissonance here? i think its clear. he tells me what i said about him was "very bad reasoning." then later in the same post, he explains the exact reasoning I was using, except its applied to himself. the 2nd bold part is exactly how i think about the situation, but earlier in his post he said this was "very bad reasoning" !!! its like in his head he was trying his hardest to defend the first attack on him because hes a wolf (or special?), but the other half of his brain was trying to look like a villager.

[monstrman]

im so glad you brought this up because ive been saving this argument for when it was time to unload on monstrman: does everyone see the dissonance here? i think its clear. he tells me what i said about him was "very bad reasoning." then later in the same post, he explains the exact reasoning I was using, except its applied to himself. the 2nd bold part is exactly how i think about the situation, but earlier in his post he said this was "very bad reasoning" !!! its like in his head he was trying his hardest to defend the first attack on him because hes a wolf (or special?), but the other half of his brain was trying to look like a villager.

How is that the exact same reasoning you are using?

I was literally saying "I won't be impossible to read, but I will have a hard time reading many of the people here because of a lack of experience in the thread." Those two sentences are not dissonance, nor are they mutually exclusive because one explicitly means, in my opinion, "I'm not going to try to read you and jump out the gate trying to lynch you" ergo: my reaction

and the other explicitly means, in my opinion, "I will have a difficult time reading you" but at no point do I throw my hands up into the air and say "I'm going to refuse to try." And I think I've made quite a few reads from tricks of the trade I've learned through villaging at PoG like reading threadflow and tone of players and to be honest I just see you constantly tunneling me and it gives me a rough time being able to try to be objective about your alignment, which I know is flawed logic but you have to admit when someone comes at you it's hard to shrug off the initial reaction of "Why is this person reading me wrong, are they a wolf trying to lynch me?"