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 Originally Posted by OngBonga
Well this pretty much sums up how I feel about this. It's not rape unless it's forced. I'm not talking legal crap here, I'm talking morally. And yes I realise that morals are subjective while law is not supposed to be, and that's the whole point of law. But every now and then the law is fucking stupid, and this is one of those cases, imo.
The idea that a drunk lady cannot give consent is ludicrous. There must be millions of couples who enjoy a drink and a fuck. Is that against the law? Does that mean men around the world are regularly raping their gf's?
Awareness of this issue is why I started this thread. Here's a quick history lesson of how this has become a problem for us:
Over the past couple of decades in the United States, there has been a change going on with the legal definition of rape. It has been pushed away from being based on force and pushed towards being based purely on the legal definition of consent. Third wave feminism has a lot to do with this, and the big push to change rape laws to cast a wider net in particular.
It's been mentioned in this thread already several times that changing rape laws to cast a wider net is bad for a number of reasons.
So you get to hear about "rape culture" from these people and retarded figures pulled out of peoples asses that make no sense like "1 in 5 women on college campuses are sexually assaulted," which is often changed to "raped," but the fact of the matter is that forcible rape has been on a pretty big decline for decades.
Image from above link.
Now here's where it gets scary. Say you're a young man going to a university, and a woman accuses you of rape. You can be kicked out of that school and have your reputation strongly dragged through the mud with no legal recourse even if she never presses charges, and this isn't a rare incident that happened on a fluke. It's starting to happen more and more. The reason is that the college does not have to prove that you raped the girl to kick your ass out. It sucks, but that's how it works for now.
So about this "one in five college girls are sexually assaulted on campus" figure that keeps getting thrown around. It came from a 2007 study by the National Institute of Justice, a study that was absurdly flawed and that did not, even in its flawed state, find that anywhere near one in five girls are sexually assaulted. A quick blurb from Time covers the basics:
“The estimated 19% sexual assault rate among college women is based on a survey at two large four-year universities, which might not accurately reflect our nation’s colleges overall. In addition, the survey had a large non-response rate, with the clear possibility that those who had been victimized were more apt to have completed the questionnaire, resulting in an inflated prevalence figure.”
Fox and Moran also point out that the study used an overly broad definition of sexual assault. Respondents were counted as sexual assault victims if they had been subject to “attempted forced kissing” or engaged in intimate encounters while intoxicated.
Someone try to kiss you? That's sexual assault in this survey. You can read the study itself at this link, but beware that it's a 111-page PDF.
The actual PDF paints a different picture:
5,446 people responded to the survey (note that non-victims are much less likely to respond, so this sample is already unreliable).
131 of these people alleged to have been forcibly sexually assaulted which puts us at about 1 in 42 already instead of 1 in 5.
16 of these 131 alleged victims reported their shit to the police (4 of which reported after more than a month of waiting).
6 of those 16 reports to police led to arrests.
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