FTR Werewolf: Gold Rush (Carbon Poker Freeroll)

[baudib]

I'm a noob and I'm friends with SweetClaireRose. Don't know the rest.

[wufwugy]

still cant find the game keith

[wufwugy]

wait i found it. ong modded not me

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...196990-13.html

yeah that wolf team is strong as fuck

[Keybored]

Well...There be newbies, noobs, etc. wherever you go doing stoopid shizit all over da place. And there be old crusties thinkin' they knowzit all and everyone else is just pawn scum; muckin' up "the good old ways of the good ole days". Such is life. Alas, just cuz an unnamed cowpoke is rosey fresh to FTR don't necessarily mean they be just off mama's teat...

[baudib]

teats or gtfo

[GrayFoxxxx]

Well...There be newbies, noobs, etc. wherever you go doing stoopid shizit all over da place. And there be old crusties thinkin' they knowzit all and everyone else is just pawn scum; muckin' up "the good old ways of the good ole days". Such is life. Alas, just cuz an unnamed cowpoke is rosey fresh to FTR don't necessarily mean they be just off mama's teat...

The eloquence is something to be admired.

[gabe]

Getting snapped killed the last couple games has me feeling sentimental. I don't want to lynch newbs or anyone who mods/is involved in most games. That's pretty much everyone

[bikes]

i read these day 0 comments and think to myself that GoT quote

"Robert could piss in a glass and call it wine, but i offer them clear water and they mutter how queer it tastes." Stannis the Mannis Baratheon

[bikes]

also where is pelion? how the hell do you decide who to lynch day 1 if not pelion?

[dhubermex]

Day #1 has begun.

15 Players Remaining

a500lbgorilla
baudib
bigred
bikes
Credsfan03
gabe
GatorJH
GrayFoxxxx
Keith
Keybored
lolzzz_321
OngBonga
rong
SweetClaireRose
wufwugy

9 Regular Villagers
1 Every Night Angel
1 Odd Night Seer
1 Even Night Vigilante
3 Wolves

Day #1 Cycle is slated for 48 hours, or until a majority is reached for a lynch candidate. If no majority has been reached by the time 48 hours have passed, then the player with the most votes will be lynched. If there is a tie, then the player who reached the tying number first (edit: and remains at that number) will be eliminated.

[rong]

Sup ongie,

I'm sticking to my recent oath of not thinking everything you post is pure wolf and spending my entire time here trying to lynch you but honestly there's nothing I want to do more than lynch you so I expect a difficult time of conflicting emotions.

So please try to have some level of consistency and logic to make my life a little easier.

Also, when you eventually attack me without reason please do so in bullet point fashion so I can refute your wolfy lies in a clear and concise way.

Yours,

Dan

[Keith]

im still suspicious of wuf promoting that strategy to the noobs knowing that good wolves can post regularly and convince the village that they are lock villagers or at the very least that other villagers are more wolfy than they are.look at rillas game where courtie pwned the seer role , he was exceptionally well hidden.

[baudib]

Note that this post is not role-indicative. I mentioned I would talk about this in the signup thread.

Last game the vig never got a shot off, and never declared. So the role was essentially wasted. As the wolf last game, it took me a couple days but I finally locked onto Big Red as the vig. I think we need to utilize the vig, even if the vig is a little gunshy.

Not to the extent that Wuf wants (forcing randomized shots), but to have the threat hanging over the wolves.

Village default vig strat should be to take the bottom 5 posters and randomly select one for shooting. I think this would have been an effective strat in many of the most recent games, with a high % shot of nailing a wolf.

This isn't revolutionary, but it's important to throw out there IMO, and is basically unexploitable. It forces the wolves to engage.

Every game, there is talk on Day 1 of lynching the inactives first. For various reasons, this basically doesn't happen, even though there is a ton of talk about why it should be done. A few times, wolves have stopped the bandwagons on low-content posters.

Vig should take care of this, and let everyone focus on the actual discussion. We learn far more from voting histories and discussions centering around content than one centered around attendance.




Just as importantly,

[baudib]

^^ random clause there

[baudib]

Sup ongie,

I'm sticking to my recent oath of not thinking everything you post is pure wolf and spending my entire time here trying to lynch you but honestly there's nothing I want to do more than lynch you so I expect a difficult time of conflicting emotions.

So please try to have some level of consistency and logic to make my life a little easier.

Also, when you eventually attack me without reason please do so in bullet point fashion so I can refute your wolfy lies in a clear and concise way.

Yours,

Dan

Why do you want to lynch Ong?

[baudib]

Pretty sure I have the wolves nailed down already. Let's see how they react.

Lynch Bikes.

[Keybored]

The eloquence is something to be admired.

Using them big fancy words ain't gonna save yer neck from stretchin'...better watch your tongue, sonny

[Keybored]

Getting snapped killed the last couple games has me feeling sentimental. I don't want to lynch newbs or anyone who mods/is involved in most games. That's pretty much everyone

...yeah, yeah, what he said! Pickin' off nOObs is a waste of lead.

[gabe]

I agree with baudib about how vig should lean towards less active posters, but they might as well try to soulread the bottom 5 instead of randomizing their shot

[baudib]

The fact that I talked about it and you endorsed it should be enough to set the wolves on alert that they have a greater than average chance of being vigged Night 2 if they try to hide in the shadows.

[OngBonga]

Danielson,

Asking me to be consistent and logical is rather akin to asking Putin to stay in Russia and not invade anyone.

Furthermore, it is my goal to hunt wolves, not to make your life easier. I don't ever attack you without reason. Last game I thought you were a wolf. So did the turncoat. So y'know, don't be so bloody wolfy.

All the best,
Matt.

[Keith]

Village default vig strat should be to take the bottom 5 posters and randomly select one for shooting. I think this would have been an effective strat in many of the most recent games, with a high % shot of nailing a wolf.

This isn't revolutionary, but it's important to throw out there IMO, and is basically unexploitable. It forces the wolves to engage.

Every game, there is talk on Day 1 of lynching the inactives first. For various reasons, this basically doesn't happen, even though there is a ton of talk about why it should be done. A few times, wolves have stopped the bandwagons on low-content posters.

Vig should take care of this, and let everyone focus on the actual discussion. We learn far more from voting histories and discussions centering around content than one centered around attendance.


Just as importantly,

there are several huge flaws in your strategy. some of us post a lot fewer posts in terms of numbers but what we do post can be extremely detailed linking people together and possibly post a greater total number of words than the prolific one liner posters. others post one liners adding nothing to the discussion (just look at the most posts already in this game). others (like gator) tend to post less at the start of the game but as the game progresses as villagers,they are able to glean information from posts. I can't help thinking that your strategy is based on a game where it was two noobs as wolves hardly posting colouring your thinking. You are totally ignoring post quality /ability with that strategy.

The other flaw is that some of the village specials can also tend to be less prolific posters to avoid giving away information. A seer attacking to many people or defending too many people reduces the post death value of his posts if he is killed before being able to out.

its also a great strategy to suggest if you are in a wolf team of prolific posters (i.e baudib,wuf ong) and just ensured you have nothing to worry about from the vig , and have just increased the chances that the vig manages to take out one of the specials for you .How can you claim that its unexploitable when a team of prolific posters is exploiting the fact that they will never be targeted by the vig if he follows this strat.

[Keith]

Wuf has a gun...I want a gun too dammit!! Or at least a pack of condoms...

Yee haw!! Let's get loaded, hang us a few furbags, and pleasure some damsels. There's a new sheriff in town boys...

Well...There be newbies, noobs, etc. wherever you go doing stoopid shizit all over da place. And there be old crusties thinkin' they knowzit all and everyone else is just pawn scum; muckin' up "the good old ways of the good ole days". Such is life. Alas, just cuz an unnamed cowpoke is rosey fresh to FTR don't necessarily mean they be just off mama's teat...

The eloquence is something to be admired.

Using them big fancy words ain't gonna save yer neck from stretchin'...better watch your tongue, sonny

...yeah, yeah, what he said! Pickin' off nOObs is a waste of lead.

for example keybored is currently the 5th most prolific poster so safe from the vig using baudibs strategy. look at the posts he's made though and there is no content whatsoever.Posting fluff for the sake of posting. If the noobs posts continue like this then they should definitely be potential vig targets else they will get to endgame and have nothing to try and deduce town/village leanings from.

[bikes]

there are several huge flaws in your strategy. some of us post a lot fewer posts in terms of numbers but what we do post can be extremely detailed linking people together and possibly post a greater total number of words than the prolific one liner posters. others post one liners adding nothing to the discussion (just look at the most posts already in this game). others (like gator) tend to post less at the start of the game but as the game progresses as villagers,they are able to glean information from posts. I can't help thinking that your strategy is based on a game where it was two noobs as wolves hardly posting colouring your thinking. You are totally ignoring post quality /ability with that strategy.

The other flaw is that some of the village specials can also tend to be less prolific posters to avoid giving away information. A seer attacking to many people or defending too many people reduces the post death value of his posts if he is killed before being able to out.

its also a great strategy to suggest if you are in a wolf team of prolific posters (i.e baudib,wuf ong) and just ensured you have nothing to worry about from the vig , and have just increased the chances that the vig manages to take out one of the specials for you .How can you claim that its unexploitable when a team of prolific posters is exploiting the fact that they will never be targeted by the vig if he follows this strat.

am super inclined to agree with this, also it vexes me when someone uses the word unexploitable in ww. when it is obviously exploitable. just post a bunch and suddenly as a wolf you are never getting vig shot. whether you can pull off posting a bunch as a wolf remains but thats on the wolf.

also agree with keith that the angel in most cases tends to be quiet in the first few days and with the no self angel clause you guys added many games ago you put the angel in the jackpot. which if you are gonna argue the angel can just post a bunch and not give him/herself away then this contradicts the aforementioned wolf belief.

that all being said lynching noobs is lame because it discourages them from being interested in future games but on the other hand there isn't all that great of choice on day 1. this is why we need a pelion

if none of this makes sense its cause i woke up early and have not had coffee. as i type this i wanna delete it all and drink coffee then post but w.e too late.

[baudib]

Keith, given this exact population of players, you were my default lynch given little to no information on Day 1. Lying low and drawing little heat is pretty much standard wolf behavior and it generally fits your play style to a T. You are very proud of the wolf game where you managed to skate by undetected to end game, even mentioning it in this thread.

I decided not to nominate you because I think you're a villager. I'm not going to debate your points and you should be able to figure out why.

[Keith]

and have nothing to try and deduce town/village leanings from.

should have been wolf/village

[baudib]

Ong is a prolific poster and has been a wolf quite often. He never survives to end game, getting seered/lynched every game.

Wolf Gator starts slow every game and manages to survive.

Forcing wolves to engage gets them lynched.

[baudib]

I agree that the noobs have posted nothing of substance. Still early.

[Keith]

Keith, given this exact population of players, you were my default lynch given little to no information on Day 1. Lying low and drawing little heat is pretty much standard wolf behavior and it generally fits your play style to a T. You are very proud of the wolf game where you managed to skate by undetected to end game, even mentioning it in this thread.

I decided not to nominate you because I think you're a villager. I'm not going to debate your points and you should be able to figure out why.

read that game , wuf supplied the link. and then come back and tell me that i lie low . my point is that number of posts is irrelevent in WW, whats in the posts that people do make is what counts . I make points when i have something to add and my posts tend to be more research based than comment , i don't clutter up the thread with oneliners that say nothing.

[baudib]

You're hard to read, a very good wolf, and rarely draw heat. Do you deny this?

[GatorJH]

Getting snapped killed the last couple games has me feeling sentimental. I don't want to lynch newbs or anyone who mods/is involved in most games. That's pretty much everyone except Bigred

FYP

[GatorJH]

Danielson,

Asking me to be consistent and logical is rather akin to asking Putin to stay in Russia and not invade anyone.

Furthermore, it is my goal to hunt wolves, not to make your life easier. I don't ever attack you without reason. Last game I thought you were a wolf. So did the turncoat. So y'know, don't be so bloody wolfy.

All the best,
Matt.

To truly hunt wolves though you also have to find villagers so try to open up your thinking and not drill into one person.

[GatorJH]

Wolf Gator starts slow every game and manages to survive.

I try to play the same as a wolf AND villager to balance my range so both points are valid.

[GatorJH]

I agree that the noobs have posted nothing of substance. Still early.

noobs rarely post substance on day 1, however there is a difference between posting fluff and starting to engage in the game.

[rong]

Noob posts so far are just them having fun. I'm not against lynching one if there's no better option but expecting high quality content from a noob on day one is pretty pointless.

[rong]

@baudib

I'm not against lynching ong, I'm just determined not to bog down the thread with the usual me/ong bull shit. I also tend to have a skewed opinion of him as he always looks like a wolf imo and the amount of bickering we usually do takes up lots of space and attention and allows others to skate by.

I stated this in the last dead thread after I got him lynched (I think that's what happened anyway) and I'm going to try to stick to it. But if he does anything particularly wolfy I'll obviously lynch him anyway, just not gonna clutter the thread with our usual bitching at each other.

[rong]

I also disagree with baudib's vig the low content/post count players. I'd like to think there's at least a small chance ong gets shot.

[baudib]

Guys, I have zero interest in debating the vig policy back and forth. #95 sums up I think, mission accomplished. May have already had its desired effect.

Rong: more posts in general is basically pro-village. Ong certainly believes this. If the vig has an epic soul read that Ong is a wolf then by all means, shoot him. But in general, vigging Ong is going to be bad because he's such a dominant poster, the information gleaned from the voting records of an Ong lynch/bandwagon probably outweigh a coinflip vigshot. The non-villagers were certainly on the Ong wagon last game.

[baudib]

Incidentally, I'm not liking Dan at all. I say this knowing full well everyone always thinks Dan is a wolf. But for a guy who says he doesn't want to clutter up the game with standard Rong/Ong B.S., most of his posts are all about Ong.

#86

Sup ongie,

I'm sticking to my recent oath of not thinking everything you post is pure wolf and spending my entire time here trying to lynch you but honestly there's nothing I want to do more than lynch you so I expect a difficult time of conflicting emotions.

So please try to have some level of consistency and logic to make my life a little easier.

Also, when you eventually attack me without reason please do so in bullet point fashion so I can refute your wolfy lies in a clear and concise way.

Yours,

Dan

Pretty ballsy open for a wolf. But seems like he's damn sure he and Ong aren't on the same team.

I've got Ong as a villager.

[OngBonga]

ong ong ong

Notice that both wuf and baudib both have nearly twice as many posts as me. It's interesting that the focus is on me even when I'm sitting back.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Day 1 reads so far: (Keep in mind these are shallow reads based off of only Day 1, and I'm not 100% on this)

Rong- Opening statement already puts you in a defensive stance. Odd you just call out Ong and no one else. Why are you focused on him?

Kieth- Defending non actives. Might be a towny play, or just wants to press Baudib for reactions.

Baudib- Posts a strat, but doesn't want to debate its merits. Would a wolf act this way? His strat just seems like a good way to get rid of more inexperianced townies. I can see the benefit for both sides...but who would gain more from it?

Keybored- Has shown his face, but hasn't say anything that pertains to the game.

gabe- Why is Baudibs strat good in his eyes? Why doesn't he agree with Kieth's counter?

Ong- Dont really like the fact he admits he is illogical, and inconsistant. Either very bold wolfish, or IDGAF townish.

bikes- Refutes Baudibs strat along with kieth. Presented a couple of good counter points. feels townish.

Gator- Made his entrance, but nothing really gives any reads.

I try to play the same as a wolf AND villager to balance my range so both points are valid.

-I liked this.



Lynch Baudib The posting of the strat, but not wanting to defend it. Says he has wolves nailed down with no evidence. Not 100 percent on him being scum, but this is all I got.

[baudib]

yay my first lynch

[rong]

Scum hey? Are you a reg elsewhere?

[wufwugy]

lynch lolz

[GrayFoxxxx]

Shit mistype. Yea I am currently in my first game on Mafia scum. Infact it is open in another tab. Sorry for the mixup.

[wufwugy]

if lolz makes it to the final day, i give us a zero percent chance of winning. even if he's the seer. last time he was the seer he fucking forgot to pm a lookup. obv his only correction of his behavior was 'oops mah bad'

[bikes]

while i think baudib is lols for the opening me lynch what a day 1 strat that would be if he was wolf. probably village but i can come back to this at a later time also there are probably a bunch of better choices. like triptanes!

[bikes]

i keep forgetting he's lolzzzzzzz now and not triptanes. w/e you get the point

[baudib]

oh jesus you guys are making this too easy.

can we start the next game already

[Keith]

Guys, I have zero interest in debating the vig policy back and forth. #95 sums up I think, mission accomplished. May have already had its desired effect.

lol ....if you have zero interest in debating it why bring it up in the first place. how can you say that its mission accomplished when we have people who still haven't posted yet and most of the village have less posts than the mod.

[baudib]

villager vs. villager arguments over minutiae aren't good for the village

[GrayFoxxxx]

Nice downplay.

[baudib]

I don't downplay.

Put more effort into my bandwagon. Show conviction at least.

[OngBonga]

villager vs. villager arguments over minutiae aren't good for the village

Why are you so sure keith is a villager?

[rong]

Buttering up a most inconvenient foe? We know baudib likes to be an active wolf from last game. Haven't seen his villager style yet, but I can't imagine it would be quiet. Knowing how active he is, if he is a wolf his vig the inactive plan would be convenient.

[wufwugy]

^^Both good points. Here's another

I don't downplay.

Put more effort into my bandwagon. Show conviction at least.

I did this my only time as a wolf. It shows he isn't necessarily afraid of getting lynched and possibly that he wants to get his wagon going for wolfy purposes.

He's acting too confident in his reads. Reads he says he has but isn't posting about

If he's a wolf, I think it means Gray is a wolf often

Love a lolzz lynch on principle, but I never ever get my way in trying to get rid of the nuisance asstard players who do nothing, so whatever

rescind lolz lynch baudib

[dhubermex]

The narrator would like to see in-game posts from the following players:

Credsfan03
lolzzz_321
SweetClaireRose

Werewolf: Gold Rush Posts = 0

[baudib]

I'm not convinced keith is a villager, he's just leaning that way now IMO. As I said he was my zero-information lynch pick, if I felt he was wolfy at all I'd vote for him.

I like my vote on bikes quite a bit right now.

Don't expect I'll make it to endgame in this one. My message will likely be stronger after I'm gone.

[wufwugy]

I'm not convinced keith is a villager, he's just leaning that way now IMO. As I said he was my zero-information lynch pick, if I felt he was wolfy at all I'd vote for him.

I like my vote on bikes quite a bit right now.

Don't expect I'll make it to endgame in this one. My message will likely be stronger after I'm gone.

What message? This one?

oh jesus you guys are making this too easy.

can we start the next game already

[wufwugy]

Ong is a prolific poster and has been a wolf quite often. He never survives to end game, getting seered/lynched every game.

Wolf Gator starts slow every game and manages to survive.

Man how do you know these?

[rong]

Good question.

[baudib]

I don't think I'm going to get lynched.

This day has gone pretty much as I expected and I've gotten solid reads so far. Of course, it's my first day as a villager ever so obviously I'm going to get some stuff wrong. A lot more will become clearer soon.

[baudib]

Man how do you know these?

From reading past games? How is this even a question?

[wufwugy]

If that's how, it takes like a hundred pages of reading to realize that Ong has been a wolf a lot yet dies before the end and that Gator is a slow starter. I don't think that many people would describe Gator as a slow starter. Gator would, JV would (but he ain't playing), Gabe might because he knows everything, Ong would (pretty sure he's said that before), I would (I've said it before)

[wufwugy]

I think you and Ong may have been talking about stuff on Night 0

[wufwugy]

Has Ong ever even been seer'd as a wolf? Maybe claiming that he has died from seering when a wolf is a way of describing the Courtie game, which is a way Ong would describe it

[wufwugy]

Actually I think Gator may have said in the last game (one Baud definitely read through) that he's a slow starter

[rong]

He got seered n1 on the game I modded.

[baudib]

I've read almost all the game threads from the past year and a half or so, except a couple where the rules were very confusing (Witches)

Ong was definitely seered in one game, not the courtie one where he fake outed. He was also silenced during a duel in Deadwolf.

Think Gator's best performance came in a losing cause when he and Aubrey nearly made a ridiculous comeback.

The idea that Gator is a better wolf than villager (I don't think that's true, incidentally, but he's been a wolf so often that people forget this) was put forth by Rilla. And I believe it was when both Rilla and Gator were wolves.

There was also the amazing game where Wuf was basically a confirmed villager like Day 1 and the wolves kept him alive anyway. He ended up making the right call, killing Gator over Rilla at the end.

[baudib]

I think you and Ong may have been talking about stuff on Night 0

I kinda glossed over this but are you accusing me of cheating or something?

[Keith]

prettty obvious that he's saying that you and ong could be wolves and talking in the den on night 0. if so ...the post above about past games could easily be supplied by ong with his knowledge .

[baudib]

oh lol

Wuf, if this is your balls-to-the-wall attack it's pretty lol. i expect more from you.

[wufwugy]

oh lol

Wuf, if this is your balls-to-the-wall attack it's pretty lol. i expect more from you.

You're in luck! This isn't.

I don't do it much anymore because of how dangerous it is. So obviously I want to be certain of things. Also, I've stopped doing it based on me being attacked. JV once pointed out how I do that, and he was right. I'm now cognizant of the flaw. Besides, you're not attacking me. Wonder why....

[wufwugy]

There was also the amazing game where Wuf was basically a confirmed villager like Day 1 and the wolves kept him alive anyway. He ended up making the right call, killing Gator over Rilla at the end.

Best. Game. Ever.

Snaplynched Gator. It took a long while to be sure, but when you're sure you're sure

[wufwugy]

BTW I think that game is the perfect example of how when the village does its job, the wolves don't win. I never give Rilla credit, but he really did everything he could to out-villager Gator. It was also the first game we had in a long time where the wolves did some really nice unorthodox play that would have worked if the village was just a little weaker