Are these bet sizes and EV calc correct.

[OngBonga]

You should be thinking in terms of EV regardless of stake.

Yes I should. But here's something to consider - how much ev is time and effort worth? If it takes me a few seconds of lazy thought to conclude raising and stacking is +ev, but maybe 30 seconds of intense maths to figure out that raising to x is the most ev, which is better? The intense maths is gonna be metally tiring if we're applying it to every situation, whereas maybe I can play lazy +ev poker for many more hours.

That said, I'm taking the same line as you here. So you did all that maths, and I just think "holy shit raise and shove", and we get to the same place. I pretty much take this line as standard with oesd+fd because we have 17 outs from 47 cards, meaning we hit a winner 2/3 times. We're already favourite against everything but his sets, we don't need any fold equity at the flop, we want all the money in now because right now it's value. Getting it in on flop is the most +ev thing we can do here against any reasonable range.

Maybe this example isn't the best. I don't think much thought is necessary here. How do you play the nuts? Because that's what I see when we hit this flop.

[seven-deuce]

Yes I should. But here's something to consider - how much ev is time and effort worth? If it takes me a few seconds of lazy thought to conclude raising and stacking is +ev, but maybe 30 seconds of intense maths to figure out that raising to x is the most ev, which is better? The intense maths is gonna be metally tiring if we're applying it to every situation, whereas maybe I can play lazy +ev poker for many more hours.

That said, I'm taking the same line as you here. So you did all that maths, and I just think "holy shit raise and shove", and we get to the same place. I pretty much take this line as standard with oesd+fd because we have 17 outs from 47 cards, meaning we hit a winner 2/3 times. We're already favourite against everything but his sets, we don't need any fold equity at the flop, we want all the money in now because right now it's value. Getting it in on flop is the most +ev thing we can do here against any reasonable range.

Maybe this example isn't the best. I don't think much thought is necessary here. How do you play the nuts? Because that's what I see when we hit this flop.

Regarding the 30secs of intense maths, you don't do these calculations in play. You do EV calcs away from the table so you can get a feel for what is the most +EV play in a certain situation. For instance, if my above calc is correct, I now know that raise/gii is a profitable line in this situation against a calling range as strong as villains.

I was asking if my EV calc was correct and the bet sizes in the calculation since I tend to get them wrong. I wasn't too concerned about my line especially since it was +EV according to my calculation.