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    Maybe problems isn't the right word, but we can't profitably 4b/call off QQ here because villain isn't shoving worse. If villain isn't shoving worse it's because villain doesn't have the motivation to shove worse. So why doesn't have have the motivation to 3b/5b AQ/JJ/TT?

    1) You 4b call off tight (QQ+), so he's not doing well vs your stack off range.
    2) You rarely 4b/fold. So once you 4b, there isn't a high likelihood that a light 5b jam will take it down without a flop.

    So conceivably if you started to 4b/call off worse (JJ/TT) or started 4b/folding more, he would/should start 5b jamming lighter and you should start 4b/calling this off.

    Anyhow, to be clear, I really don't mind flatting QQ here. I just think 4b/calling QQ should still be a profitable situation overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    1) You 4b call off tight (QQ+), so he's not doing well vs your stack off range.
    2) You rarely 4b/fold. So once you 4b, there isn't a high likelihood that a light 5b jam will take it down without a flop.

    So conceivably if you started to 4b/call off worse (JJ/TT) or started 4b/folding more, he would/should start 5b jamming lighter and you should start 4b/calling this off.
    Yeah, this makes sense. I think, because of the big player pool at these stakes, even regs rarely have enough hands on me to make adjustments based on stuff that is uncommon - even if someone has 2000 hands on me, they've probably only seen me 4bet ~50 times, so if 75% of those times I wasn't 5-bet, they won't have much of a sample at all on my 4-bet/fold vs 4-bet/call frequencies.
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    QQ+,AK seems like an awfully tight 5b range (referring to villain obv) for these kind of situations but i haven't grinded for a while so your assumptions would certainly be more accurate than mine. i guess it depends a lot on hero's game and how it's perceived as well. i'd certainly be 4bing a reasonable amount here, and villain having 500+ hands on me would be aware of that. so i would be reaaaaally exploitable (and, in typical rpm-style, paranoid about being exploited ) if i could only felt 28 hand combinations here. i honestly wouldn't mind 6 combinations in my range having a very slight negative expectation (and i'm still having trouble believing this guy is as straightforward as your impressions of him suggest - it would only take a very slight spazz factor or occasional 5b "bluff" range * to swing QQ into the green) because i think it benefits my overall strategy.

    * edit: or a few combos of JJ sneaking into his 3b/jam range cuz he's "sick of your shit"
    Last edited by rpm; 12-03-2013 at 04:54 PM.

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