TT OOP - flat or isolate the fish?

[Savy]

jesus christ people are advocating folding TT to 1 raise closing the action?

No, I brought it up to discuss. It's well worth noting the merits of every option and I learnt from it thanks to some helpful posts.

[Lukie]

No, I brought it up to discuss. It's well worth noting the merits of every option and I learnt from it thanks to some helpful posts.

Unless you are a rank beginner, meaning you learned hold'em this week, you should seriously consider the option of never playing poker for real money again. I'm not trying to be a dick. Some people are just better at games, game theory, math, intuition etc. that lend itself towards playing well at poker. You would probably be better off focusing your energy on career, interesting hobbies, social life, etc. (probably good advice even for many people who are good at those things)

[Savy]

Unless you are a rank beginner, meaning you learned hold'em this week, you should seriously consider the option of never playing poker for real money again. I'm not trying to be a dick. Some people are just better at games, game theory, math, intuition etc. that lend itself towards playing well at poker. You would probably be better off focusing your energy on career, interesting hobbies, social life, etc. (probably good advice even for many people who are good at those things)

Yeah, I'm awful at all those things. Thanks.

[Lukie]

Yeah, I'm awful at all those things. Thanks.

To explain the hand a little better (kind of), you have to understand different factors that affect pre-flop hand value. With 100bb (i.e. somewhat deepish) stacks, hands like pocket pairs, suited connectors, and suited aces go up in value. Being out of position makes it go down in value (somewhat mitigated by closing the action pre and having good relative position on the flop-- meaning common flop play is for the pre-flop raiser to bet and then you see what fishie does).

Well TT is a really good hand, it makes sets and is still very often playable depending on the board (meaning you can win some small-moderate sized pots without making a set. Just don't get stacked on a 9 high board unless you have a really good reason to.)

I wish I had some old databases showing hand profitability in different positions/with different action but it should show a solid profit here, behind only JJ+, AKs, and maybe AKo/AQs. Curious what the opinions are on that last one actually.

[BorisTheSpider]

I wish I had some old databases showing hand profitability in different positions/with different action but it should show a solid profit here, behind only JJ+, AKs, and maybe AKo/AQs. Curious what the opinions are on that last one actually.

In my DB TT is right around AKo and AQs:

TT: 126bb/100
AKo: 132bb/100
AQs: 111bb/100

AQo I do considerably worse with: 18bb/100. If other people do much better with it, perhaps I should look at how I play it - I probably don't play it aggressively enough (if others see much better bb/100 with AQo) - would be interested to hear some numbers from other peoples databases.